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    Quote Originally Posted by KingNothing View Post
    In that scenario, it might be harder to miss people than to hit something.
    Except that he's firing full auto with broken glass poking at him from all four directions and curtains blowing in his face, at a target over three hundred feet down and more than a city block away.

    And we have no indication even one shot fell outside the venue.

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    This one smells really odd to me, and I have a hard time believing he was a lone wolf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Except that he's firing full auto with broken glass poking at him from all four directions and curtains blowing in his face, at a target over three hundred feet down and more than a city block away.

    And we have no indication even one shot fell outside the venue.
    Two guns were said to be on tripods and "several" had scopes on them.

    curtains blowing in his face,
    Doesn't look windy in the videos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Except that he's firing full auto with broken glass poking at him from all four directions and curtains blowing in his face, at a target over three hundred feet down and more than a city block away.

    And we have no indication even one shot fell outside the venue.
    Why would they break those windows ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post

    1. Every shooting incident has people saying there were multiple shooters. Always wrong.
    Only according to the MSM official narratives. What do you expect them to do, come out and say "this is a false flag"?
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    Is it possible he had two guns going? There is a suggestion that some were modified. Could one be set at one window and be shooting by itself and he was shooting from the other?

    I know nothing about guns, for the most part, so I have no filter here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Two guns were said to be on tripods and "several" had scopes on them.



    Doesn't look windy in the videos.
    If the guns were on tripods, is the implication that he was crank firing? That could make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Why would they break those windows ?
    As a diversion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    There weren't that many tall buildings around that site. Two, to be exact, within a couple of blocks, not counting the Mandalay Bay itself (hard to get an echo off the building where the gun is), and one of them is a pyramid. Now, which way does a pyramid reflect sound? Toward an observer on the ground, or straight up?

    Dealey Plaza this ain't.
    The Mandala Bay building is not a square, circle or pyramid. Any face will echo off the other face. The edges would not give much of an echo. One of his broken windows was on a face. The streets themselves would echo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    And we have no indication even one shot fell outside the venue.
    Well, to be fair we don't have word on a lot of things yet. Based on the reporting about how long he was shooting, and the armory that his hotel room basically was, it's entirely likely we'll be learning a lot about where he shot and when as time goes on.

    At this time, I've seen nothing that indicates there were multiple shooters but I've seen plenty to leave me open to the idea that this wasn't just aging, successful, man who went out and bought dozens of guns -and explosives- to crank fire thousands of rounds from a casino hotel room with a great view of a packed outdoor concert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    As a diversion.
    A diversion for what? What need is there to run a diversion?

    If "they" -whomever ran the diversion, this case- really wanted to kill innocent people and pin it on someone else, it could just as easily be done without causing a "diversion" of broken windows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingNothing View Post
    A diversion for what? What need is there to run a diversion?

    If "they" -whomever ran the diversion, this case- really wanted to kill innocent people and pin it on someone else, it could just as easily be done without causing a "diversion" of broken windows.
    If THEY are behind it THEY want maximum confusion so that everybody is arguing about the details forever and only the official story has any cohesion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    INB4 neocons escalate war in the middle east.
    So far the official story rejects the ISIS connection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    So far the official story rejects the ISIS connection.
    I'm pretty sure that they did initially report that ISIS claimed responsibility for the attacks. Even if that was later dismissed, it plants the seed in people's minds that there could be a connection to Islamic terrorists. That has been one of their recurring tactics, in several of these mass shooting events. It keeps that fear in people's minds and allows them to keep using ISIS as a justification for their wars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    One report listed two specific guns he had with him: http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-las...htmlstory.html



    Says he had four of these in the room with him: Daniel Defense DDM4 :


    and three of these- FN-15s:


    Plus a reported ten others.
    What was he doing, holding one in each hand?

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    'We maybe have to give up a little bit of our privacy,' says ex-NYC police head after Vegas shooting

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apos-maybe-little-bit-privacy-145312267.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    What was he doing, holding one in each hand?
    That would explain the way it sounded. One with a bumpfire stock and one with a fully automatic conversion, would sound like an auto AK and an auto AR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Watch while you can before they pull it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gywc58Bxxc8




    Some sources say is just strobe lights.
    An easy way to prove that is to find old footage, even from the hours leading up to the shooting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    An easy way to prove that is to find old footage, even from the hours leading up to the shooting.
    Also, if anyone was is the surrounding rooms, or above or below the room, they would have know there was firing going on near their location.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    So far the official story rejects the ISIS connection.
    ISIS claimed responsibility for it but nobody believed them.

    Scott Adams did a periscope about it here: https://www.pscp.tv/ScottAdamsSays/1yoKMpwrzXNxQ?t=7

    He explored several theories:

    1. Isis, but it's said its extremely rare for people to convert so late in life. Also would be odd that he didn't make a lot of Islamic noise.

    2. Just crazy. Maybe but it's really odd for someone just plain nuts to plan so well.

    3. Anti-gun activist who wanted to make a point but it would be weird for an antigun person to kill so many people.

    4.Liberal radicalized by CNN trying to start a civil war. But you'd expect a note...
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    Interesting quote. Heard this on the radio today too. A "platform"?

    Talking to his contacts in Las Vegas, Dimoff said the gunman, Stephen Paddock, had two rifles mounted on a platform or tripod so he could shoot down at the crowd, instead of holding the rifle for 20 minutes. A platform kept his arms from being tired and made for steadier shooting.
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    If freedom isn't free, it isn't liberty - its license.

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    At the link in that thread I get:
    404 - Page not found

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    Yeah, thought I published it, but I didn't. Sorry. The link works now.
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    Lots of people all over the internet are calling for gun control. As they always do after these events.

    If anyone has time, please educate the people in the comments section of this video which right now has over a million views: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byA77xkQBEE
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    The Cabbie's Record (2nd shooter?)





    The first few volleys sound like echoes almost (I was looking to call BS),
    but wait a little bit and it's obvious there's at least 2 different sources of gunfire.

    comment on that video on YouTube:
    "They took this down from Facebook because it clearly shows the shooter on the 4th Floor.
    It had over 2million views and 15000 comments. They were deleting peoples comments and now it's gone. Its a Cover Up!"

    "The fact is that the shooter had two separate rooms
    which faced two distinctly different directions at a 90 degree angle from the other.
    This fact means that the sound of the shots would in fact change
    as he moved from window to window and room to room.
    The shots would be more muffled on the side of the building facing away from the individual taking the video,
    as does happen early on in the vid."
    "Explain away at 1:10 & beyond....
    there's no way that even Flash Gordon could get between those two spots
    in time to explain/rationalize what you can clearly hear."

    "That is just so much total bull$#@!.
    Those windows were not far enough apart to account for the acoustic discrepancy you hear in this video.
    Not only that, he wouldn't have been able to run fast enough back and forth between some of the shots heard.
    In addition,
    some of the videos posted show gun flash from different floors.
    That makes much more sense.
    The loud gunfire you hear in this is not 32 floors up.
    Get real."
    Last edited by goldenequity; 10-03-2017 at 04:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    An easy way to prove that is to find old footage, even from the hours leading up to the shooting.
    The windows don't open. The easiest way to disprove this would be to look at the window. Is it broken out? No? Then there was no one shooting from that floor. (Unless, I suppose, if someone was outside the window repelling down from the roof with a machine gun or balancing on the ledge. Or, if this crafty assassin had a replacement window pane installed right after he was done killing.)

    Come on, people. Questioning the official story is good, but let's use some common sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingNothing View Post
    Well, to be fair we don't have word on a lot of things yet. Based on the reporting about how long he was shooting, and the armory that his hotel room basically was, it's entirely likely we'll be learning a lot about where he shot and when as time goes on.

    At this time, I've seen nothing that indicates there were multiple shooters but I've seen plenty to leave me open to the idea that this wasn't just aging, successful, man who went out and bought dozens of guns -and explosives- to crank fire thousands of rounds from a casino hotel room with a great view of a packed outdoor concert.
    For 72 minutes without being stopped? From a known location?

    I am a nobody, no military or law enforcement background. I could circled around to the backside of the building, rode an elevator, kicked in this guy door and killed him within 10-15 mins.

    It's awfully suspicious this went on so long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    That would explain the way it sounded. One with a bumpfire stock and one with a fully automatic conversion, would sound like an auto AK and an auto AR.
    I have trouble believing some guy firing two at once rambo style could make 60 kill shot and hit 550 others at that range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    The windows don't open. The easiest way to disprove this would be to look at the window. Is it broken out? No? Then there was no one shooting from that floor. (Unless, I suppose, if someone was outside the window repelling down from the roof with a machine gun or balancing on the ledge. Or, if this crafty assassin had a replacement window pane installed right after he was done killing.)

    Come on, people. Questioning the official story is good, but let's use some common sense.
    Nah man, the easiest way to prove [something] is [something] is to prove it is [something]. No idea what you're steamed about. The only time I've publicly questioned the Official StoryTM here were in my posts mocking MSM for blaming ISIS.
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