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    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    From the never let a crisis go to waste file.....
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...nce/723357001/
    Of course the do - immediately exploit tragedy for politics. "Never let a good crises go to waste."

    From the audio of the rate of fire as well as the number of rounds per burst indicate the murderer used a fully automatic weapon, which is already illegal.
    Murder is already illegal. Fully automatic weapons are already illegal. The Mandalay Bay is already a gun free zone.

    So maybe the Dems are thinking if only they had double banned it. “Yeah – that’s the ticket” – Make murder double illegal. Make automatic weapons double illegal. Make Mandalay Bay double gun free. If only they had double banned these things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Anyone with basic mechanical skills and basic machine tools can convert an AR or AK to full auto fire. All they need to do is google it.

    Bigger problem with the story here is that you can't fire thousands of rounds out of a rifle without it getting red hot.

    So are we to believe this guy was swapping mags, swapping rifles and constantly firing all by himself all that time? I have serious doubts.

    Not to mention accuracy at that range. This guy made 60 kill shots and hit 500 people? It doesn't seem plausible.
    Poor shooting when the crowd was 22,000 people crowded into a limited space with few exits and a nearly full auto weapon. He had 16 weapons in his room to choose from/ switch between. https://www.vox.com/2017/10/2/163956...ooting-updates
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    Don't teach him correct English, his illiteracy helps give him away as a troll.
    Ha, good point.

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    Thanks. And wow, very interesting... I'm going to look into that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilymc View Post
    Ha, good point.



    Thanks. And wow, very interesting... I'm going to look into that.
    Lots of people chimed in to call it fake because they go through similar training, seems like they are all following a script though like during the election but could just be common. I never had training like that when I worked in a Las Vegas Casino after 9/11.

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    Watch while you can before they pull it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gywc58Bxxc8




    Some sources say is just strobe lights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Watch while you can before they pull it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gywc58Bxxc8




    Some sources say is just strobe lights.
    Downloaded... So why is it there are not hundreds of videos with flashes coming out of some window?? Everyone seems to have been videoing this event. It should be very clear what window he was firing from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Watch while you can before they pull it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gywc58Bxxc8




    Some sources say is just strobe lights.
    It appears to stop at the same time the sound of gunfire stops, though.

    vid of other angles showing same lights, def timed up with firing sound.
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    My first impression of the broken windows on the 23rd floor is that they are too far apart to be part of the same suite but it turns out they do have suites that are that big...

    https://www.mandalaybay.com/en/hotel/vista-suite.html

    Still think someone else did it and shot him in the head to make it look like a suicide though...
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    ^
    Allegedly, according to the police scanner audio, law enforcement units reported that they believe there may be a second shooter on the fourth floor. If that's true, that would go along with the videos we've seen of what appears to be gunfire coming from a lower floor.

    I don't know if this is legit, but you can hear the audio here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=475_Hc5MheI
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    My first impression of the broken windows on the 23rd floor is that they are too far apart to be part of the same suite but it turns out they do have suites that are that big...

    https://www.mandalaybay.com/en/hotel/vista-suite.html

    Still think someone else did it and shot him in the head to make it look like a suicide though...
    Unconfirmed yet but they are also checking to see if he rented the next unit too as a suite to see where he could get the best shots from.

    http://www.newsweek.com/las-vegas-sh...itation-675906

    Paddock rented one room facing north and another facing east, Clark County Commission Chairman Steve Sisolak said during a briefing. The hotel's website allows guests to choose "premium view" rooms when they book a stay. Paddock was on the fourth day of his stay. He had visited the hotel twice before and was using his girlfriend’s slot-machine card in the hotel’s casino. (She was in the Philippines during the shooting.)
    NY Daily News also saying he had two rooms rented: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.3535657

    Paddock actually rented two rooms in the hotel, making his stand in the one overlooking the concert venue more than 1,000 feet away, said Clark County Commission Chair Steve Sisolak.


    There is a door between the two suites.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-shooting.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by buck000 View Post
    I'm no expert, but the 'raw video' that was posted here sure seems to support GunnyFreedom's idea that there were two automatic rifles firing at the same time...
    Yeah, I can't find that video now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    It appears to stop at the same time the sound of gunfire stops, though.

    vid of other angles showing same lights, def timed up with firing sound.
    Absolutely muzzle flashes and from closer to the center of the building and a much lower floor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Watch while you can before they pull it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gywc58Bxxc8




    Some sources say is just strobe lights.
    WOuldn't the windows need to be broken?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post

    Not to mention accuracy at that range. This guy made 60 kill shots and hit 500 people? It doesn't seem plausible.
    That is quite plausible,, considering a crowded area,, and several Mags of sustained Full Auto Fire.

    I am wondering who the handler was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post

    Still think someone else did it and shot him in the head to make it look like a suicide though...
    Likely. but proving that is nearly impossible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    How'd he get all of those guns through the lobby of the hotel, anyway? I've broken guns down, but they don't all break all the way down. He has long guns in there. And they only have that one little cart for your stuff at the hotels. And gun cases look like gun cases.
    It would be easy. Many people on (hunting, shooting) trips take their weapons into hotel rooms because they don't want to leave them in vehicles. It's not illegal, although the hotel may have a policy about it. If they have a policy of none in the room, they would probably have a lock-up for storage.

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    I am angry at myself for not screen-shotting this guy's facebook. I saw it with my own eyes but ruled him out early on. He was 100% absolutely bat-shirt lunatic lefty. He had it ALL OVER his profile like badges of honor. I should have known better and captured the screen shot.
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    There appears to be serious memory-hole scrubbing going on. Now sites are claiming he never had a FB profile. My fiancee and I absolutely 100% laid eyes o this guy's profile. It's not showing in my history either except for one link they didn't manage to scrub:

    https://www.facebook.com/sdarcey/med...9901371&type=1

    which now goes nowhere of course. And wayback has no record of that or "sdarcey" at all.
    Now this is intriguing. Too bad no screen shot. Hopefully it will come out at some time. Checking out this guy's political donation history would also be interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    WOuldn't the windows need to be broken?
    No. A glass cutter or high speed drill could make it possible without the breach being easy to detect from a distance.

    I hope someone watches that hotel when they replace those two windows, to see if any others get replaced as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Now this is intriguing. Too bad no screen shot. Hopefully it will come out at some time. Checking out this guy's political donation history would also be interesting.
    I checked the FEC for his name this morning. They changed the search interface so it sucks a bit as you can only search 1 year at time, but didn't find anything for past decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    Five things that just don’t add up about the Las Vegas mass shooting

    #1) Dozens of concert-goers reported the presence of multiple shooters

    Although law enforcement says there was only one shooter, multiple witnesses are openly reporting the presence of multiple shooters. This could reasonably be the result of confusion and chaos, but it’s also highly suspicious that the shooter had “full auto” weapon which is usually limited to law enforcement or military personnel.

    This question about multiple shooters was also raised after the Aurora, Colorado “Batman movie theater” shooting, in which numerous witnesses reported the presence of multiple shooters.

    If this shooting was carried out by multiple shooters, it would obviously indicate planning and coordination among a group of people who sought to carry out the shooting for a political purpose of some kind.

    #2) Who warned concert-goers they were “all going to die” a full 45 minutes before the shooting started?

    Via the UK Express:

    One woman, who was at the Route 91 music event, claimed an unidentified woman had told other concert-goers they were “all going to die” after pushing her way to the front of the venue.

    The witness, 21, told local news: “She had been messing with a lady in front of her and telling her she was going to die, that we were all going to die.

    “They escorted her out to make her stop messing around with all the other people, but none of us knew it was going to be serious.”

    She described the lady as Hispanic. The lady was escorted from the venue along with a man.

    The unnamed witness, who was attending the event on her 21st birthday, described the pair as short, both around 5 ft 5ins to 5ft 6ins tall, and looked like “everyday people”.

    It’s clear that neither of these two people were the shooter, as the shooter is a much taller Caucasian man. Thus, this is not a “lone gunman” massacre. There was coordination. At least three people were aware this shooting was about to take place.

    #3) The weapon you hear on videos was FULL AUTO, which is almost impossible to acquire through legal means

    The multitude of videos that captured the event clearly indicate that at least one shooter was running a full auto weapons system. Such weapons are almost impossible for “civilians” to acquire. Although some pre-1986 full auto weapons are available for sale, they require extensive ATF documentation, background checks and extremely long wait periods approaching one year. Plus, they tend to cost $25,000 or more, and they’re extremely rare.

    Full auto weapons, however, are widely owned by police officers, federal officials and military organizations. It will be very interesting to find out where this weapon came from and how it was acquired.

    #4) Why were the exits blocked, trapping victims like rats in a maze?

    Numerous reports from witnesses who were on the scene reveal that nearly all the exits were blocked. One witness described the situation as “being caught like a rat in a maze” with numerous “dead ends.”

    Why were nearly all the exits blocked? In essence, the concert created a kill zone that amplified the casualties. So far, according to the Clark County Sheriff in Vegas, 515 people have been injured and 59 people have so far died. These are unthinkable numbers, approaching war-time casualty counts. It’s clear from the coverage that this shockingly high body count would not have been possible if people had been free to flee the concert venue.

    In essence, the concert trapped the people, preventing them from escaping, and denying them the ability to seek cover. From there, sustained, full-auto gunfire is almost impossible to survive.

    In addition, once the shooting started, the stage lights were turned to the crowd, lighting up the crowd and making them an easier target for the shooter(s). Was this deliberate?

    #5) Why did the shooter have as many as 10 firearms in his room?

    According to news reports, the shooter — identified as Stephen Paddock — had as many as 10 firearms in his room, including several rifles. If he was the only shooter, what’s the point of having so many rifles? One man can obviously only shoot one rifle, and since he had a full auto rifle, he could obviously achieve his evil aims by focusing on his one rifle. There was no need for him to have multiple rifles.

    So were the other rifles brought to the room to “stage” the crime scene with an abundance of guns? Why would one elderly man bother to carry 8 – 10 weapons to a hotel room in the first place? That’s a lot of work. Rifles aren’t lightweight devices.

    I find the idea that a lone, elderly man would carry so many rifles to a hotel room for no practical reason to be highly suspicious. It makes no sense at all.
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    Same.

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    And RP just warned about false flags.
    Can't we go a day without extreme conspiracy hypotheses?

    1. Every shooting incident has people saying there were multiple shooters. Always wrong. Plus there would be many echoes because of the surrounding buildings. Easily confused.

    2. Good question, if security did escort her out and others saw her, there should be more witnesses to this. We shall see.

    3. The author obviously knows nothing about guns. Best to leave gun speculation to people with knowledge on the subject.

    4. Witnesses say the gates were open and or down immediately. Concerts tend to have a lot of gates and fences.

    5. Once again, see 3 above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    I checked the FEC for his name this morning. They changed the search interface so it sucks a bit as you can only search 1 year at time, but didn't find anything for past decade.
    Hmm. If he was indeed politically active and wealthy, you would think there would be donations.
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    There weren't that many tall buildings around that site. Two, to be exact, within a couple of blocks, not counting the Mandalay Bay itself (hard to get an echo off the building where the gun is), and one of them is a pyramid. Now, which way does a pyramid reflect sound? Toward an observer on the ground, or straight up?

    Dealey Plaza this ain't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Hmm. If he was indeed politically active and wealthy, you would think there would be donations.
    Yeah, it was a cursory search, I limited it to NV residents. But nothing for his last name except a few women's first names donating the past few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    There weren't that many tall buildings around that site. Two, to be exact, within a couple of blocks, not counting the Mandalay Bay itself (hard to get an echo off the building where the gun is), and one of them is a pyramid. Now, which way does a pyramid reflect sound? Toward an observer on the ground, or straight up?

    Dealey Plaza this ain't.
    Yes, and the two weapons being fired didn't sound the same. One sounded like an AK and the other was much lighter with a different speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Anyone with basic mechanical skills and basic machine tools can convert an AR or AK to full auto fire. All they need to do is google it.

    Bigger problem with the story here is that you can't fire thousands of rounds out of a rifle without it getting red hot.

    So are we to believe this guy was swapping mags, swapping rifles and constantly firing all by himself all that time? I have serious doubts.

    Not to mention accuracy at that range. This guy made 60 kill shots and hit 500 people? It doesn't seem plausible.
    I think you're slightly overplaying how easy it is to convert a semi automatic to fully automatic, especially for a guy that was supposedly not a gun nut according to his brother. And I think you're underplaying how easy it would be to spray bullets down on a crowded area and hit people. There were tens of thousands of people crammed into a tight area. In that scenario, it might be harder to miss people than to hit something.

    Having said all of that, this whole thing is ridiculous and I would be absolutely shocked if he did every piece of this on his own. This took a $#@!load of planning and a $#@!load of money. He had a freaking arsenal, for christ sake and an understanding of the room that was booked and the concert that was taking place.

    This one smells really odd to me, and I have a hard time believing he was a lone wolf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Yes, and the two weapons being fired didn't sound the same. One sounded like an AK and the other was much lighter with a different speed.
    One report listed two specific guns he had with him: http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-las...htmlstory.html

    Stephen Paddock, the Las Vegas shooter, had an arsenal of 17 weapons in his hotel room, mostly military-style rifles, according to a law enforcement source.

    At least one of them had been modified with a legal “bump stock” style device that allows the shooter to rapidly fire off rounds without actually converting it to a fully automatic weapon, the source said.

    The devices modify the gun’s stock so that the recoil helps accelerate how quickly the shooter can pull the trigger. The devices are legal in the U.S.

    Other weapons may have been converted to fully automatic fire, and were still being examined, the source said.

    Paddock had four Daniel Defense DDM4 rifles, three FN-15s and other rifles made by Sig Sauer.

    Paddock apparently bought the guns legally, passing the required background checks.

    At least six of the guns were purchased at one store, a Cabela’s in Verdi, Nev. A manager at the store declined to comment.

    Several other weapons were purchased at Discount Firearms and Ammo, a few blocks from the strip in Las Vegas, the source said. “It’s an open investigation,” said a store employee, before hanging up.

    Paddock, who lived in Mesquite, Nev., also bought some weapons at a store there, Guns and Guitars, according to a statement given by the store owner to USA Today.

    He had good-quality, high-powered rifles,” the source said.
    Says he had four of these in the room with him: Daniel Defense DDM4 :


    and three of these- FN-15s:


    Plus a reported ten others.
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    ^ You just need to switch to full/semi with the safety. No conversion required on an AR-15.
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