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    Default First Report in 2017 on Vaccine Injuries and Deaths: 275 Injured 4 Dead from Flu Shot

    Please note: this report issued by the DOJ provides the evidence that vaccines do harm and kill some people, that the government pays for those injuries and deaths because the pharmaceutical companies have legal immunity, and that this information is almost NEVER reported by the corporate run media that is pro-vaccines.

    If a certain well-known troll tries to come in and hijack this thread by stating that the injuries and deaths are rare, I encourage everyone to negative rep him, because that is not the debate here. That is a different debate discussed in a different thread:

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...Have-Any-Merit


    The federal government Advisory Commission on Childhood Vaccines (ACCV) under the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services just concluded their first meeting of 2017 on September 8th.

    The Commission is supposed to meet quarterly, but missed their first two meetings this year (2017).

    Health Impact News sources have told us that the probable reason the Commission missed their March and June 2017 meetings was likely due to a lack of a quorum, as several member’s terms had expired, and new members of the Commission possibly had not yet been appointed under the Trump administration.

    These quarterly meetings include a report from the Department of Justice (DOJ) on cases settled for vaccine injuries and deaths as mandated by the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP).

    The NVICP was started as a result of a law passed in 1986 that gave pharmaceutical companies total legal immunity from being sued due to injuries and deaths resulting from vaccines.

    Drug manufacturers in the vaccine market can now create as many new vaccines as they desire, with no risk of being sued if their product causes injury or death.

    This has resulted in a huge increase of vaccines entering the market, and the U.S. government, through the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), is the largest purchaser of these vaccines, spending in excess of $4 billion taxpayer dollars each year to purchase these vaccines.

    If you or a family member is injured or dies from vaccines, you must sue the federal government in this special vaccine court. Many cases are litigated for years before a settlement is reached.

    As far as we know, Health Impact News is the only media source that publishes these reports each quarter. Past reports can be found here.

    Since this was the first meeting of the ACCV this year, the current report covers cases settled for vaccine injuries and deaths from 11/16/16 through 8/15/17.

    332 cases were listed in the report (see below) from this time period, specifying the vaccine, the injury or death, and the amount of time the case was pending before settlement.

    275 of the 332 cases were for injuries due to the flu vaccine, and there were 5 deaths, 4 of them related to the flu vaccine.

    The flu vaccine is clearly the most dangerous vaccine in the U.S., and yet it is sold in stores and can be routinely obtained as easily as over-the-counter medicines with no consultation with a physician.

    Read the full report from the DOJ.

    Pro-Vaccine Medical Doctor and Scientist Speaks Out on Fraud of the Flu Vaccine



    In the video above, Dr. Mark Geier explains the fraud behind the flu vaccine. Dr. Geier is NOT anti-vaccine. He is an M.D. and has a Ph.D. in genetics. He spent 10 years working at the National Institute of Health, and was a professor at Johns Hopkins University as a geneticist. He is also the author of over 150 peer-reviewed publications.

    He worked on vaccine safety and efficacy for more than 30 years. He was one of four scientists that worked to replace the DTP vaccine, a vaccine that caused every child to become sick with a high fever at the time of vaccination, with the DTaP vaccine, which is a more purified vaccine and causes illness due to fever in only 3% of those vaccinated.

    In the video above, he explains that the flu shot causes Guillain-Barré Syndrome, and that the flu shot is not very effective in preventing the flu.

    He also explains that the CDC does not follow the law for vaccines in requiring long-term safety testing for the influenza vaccine like they do with other vaccines, as it is impossible to test a vaccine that changes every year.

    So the flu vaccine is basically an experimental vaccine that they want to give out to 300 million people every year. There are also no studies showing the safety of giving the flu vaccine to the same person every single year.

    However, Dr. Geier points out that the CDC is in the business of distributing flu vaccines, because they represent 300 million doses per year, whereas all the childhood vaccines together only number 20 million.

    Dr. Geier goes on to explain that flu is “the wrong thing to vaccinate against” because you have to keep re-vaccinating against it every year, unlike childhood infectious diseases, such as smallpox, that are only vaccinated for once.

    Dr. Geier points out how ridiculous it is spend billions of dollars on a vaccine that might, at its best, save about 50 lives a year, when there are far more serious problems causing death that are more worthy of that kind of expenditure.

    Doctors Who are Not Vaccine Extremists Question Vaccines, Especially the Flu Shot


    As can clearly be seen by the government’s own vaccine statistics, vaccines are both dangerous and deadly. There are many doctors across the U.S. who understand this, and do not adhere to the extremist vaccine positions, that ALL vaccines are good, for ALL people, ALL the time, by force if necessary.

    The vaccine debate is not a debate between extremist positions, but a debate that in reality looks at the merit of each vaccine, and the impact of the vaccine schedule with so many vaccines being given together. For more information, see:

    Medical Doctors Opposed to Forced Vaccinations – Should Their Views be Silenced?

    Public Largely Unaware of the Vaccine Court: Most Cases Never Litigated

    In November of 2014 the Government Accounting Office (GAO) issued the first report on America’s “Vaccine Court,” known as the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP), in almost 15 years.

    As I noted above, Congress gave the pharmaceutical companies immunity against lawsuits for injuries or deaths resulting in vaccines in 1986. Prior to this time, there were so many lawsuits pending against pharmaceutical companies for injuries and deaths due to vaccines, that the pharmaceutical industry basically blackmailed congress and told them that if they did not grant them legal immunity against the liabilities of vaccines, that they would quit making them. These vaccine products cannot survive in a free market, they are so bad.

    The November 2014 GAO report criticized the government for not making the public more aware that the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program exists, and that there are funds available for vaccine injuries. Therefore, the settlements represented by vaccine injuries and deaths included in the DOJ report probably represent a small fraction of the actual vaccine injuries and deaths occurring in America today.

    Read the full article here.
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    So is Health Impact News your site? Meaning you are here to drive traffic to your sites?
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    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    So is Health Impact News your site? Meaning you are here to drive traffic to your sites?
    Health Impact News shines a spotlight on cockroaches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    So is Health Impact News your site? Meaning you are here to drive traffic to your sites?
    What's the matter Angela, can't debate the issues on their merit so you need more fodder for your ad hominem attacks?

    Show me one other website that publishes the quarterly DOJ reports from Vaccine Court.

    I joined these forums in 2007, long before Health Impact News ever existed, because I supported the ideology of Ron Paul and supported his run at the presidency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    So is Health Impact News your site? Meaning you are here to drive traffic to your sites?
    He gets millions of hits off this site. How dare he?
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    The list at the link is of adjudicated cases. It does not say in which way the decision went. According to the link, there were zero cases involving a decision awarding damages. 153 were negotiated (sometimes a case may be settled to simply avoid more court costs by either side).
    "The only thing we have to fear is.... fear itself!" Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It does not say in which way the decision went. According to the link, there were zero cases involving a decision awarding damages.
    Totally untrue. These were settlements - the government conceded these cases.
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    If a certain well-known troll tries to come in and hijack this thread by stating that the injuries and deaths are rare, I encourage everyone to negative rep him, because that is not the debate here
    So basically, you're trying to keep people from looking at the actual math? Why is that? 6000 children died from measles alone prior to the vaccines being introduced. Add deaths from Mumps, rubella, chicken pox, polio....suddenly 275 deaths which only MIGHT have been associated with a vaccine seems like great risk-reward ratio.

    Across the world, vaccines prevent between 2 - 3 million deaths every year.

    Informed consent is awesome. Intentionally misinforming those who give that consent - not so much.
    Last edited by angelatc; 09-30-2017 at 08:47 PM.
    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




    Reprinted from http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/immigration/ [Nov. 29, 2011]

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    http://time.com/3995062/vaccine-injury-court-truth/

    The standard the petitioners must meet to recover any award is a comparatively low one—the "preponderance of the evidence" rule of civil law, rather than the "beyond a reasonable doubt" requirement of the criminal court system. In practice, that standard has been even more liberally construed in the vaccine court than it is in ordinary civil court, a fact that generally benefits the petitioners. More frequently still, things don't go that far. In 80% of all cases brought since 2006, the parties settle, meaning that the petitioner recovers an award with no determination being made about whether the vaccine even caused the claimed harm.
    It a lucrative business to bring cases to the vaccine court- lawyers get paid $460 an hour.

    The large majority of the possible problems are minor and transient—a fever, a short-term allergic reaction, soreness at the site of the injection. There is the possibility of autoimmune reaction too, in which the body effectively attacks itself, though the science is still vague on what role, if any, vaccines can play in that. Other possible problems include simple injury to shoulder, when the vaccine needle penetrates the bursa—the sac of cushioning fluid that protects the joint. For many of these problems, the claimants are adults, not kids.

    In rare cases, severe neurological reactions have been observed too, but that very rarity makes it impossible to determine if they were caused by the vaccine or were a mere coincidence in timing. Still, the no-fault rule of the VICP doesn't seek proof of causation, which means that claims like this are covered—and those are the ones that drive up the overall average.

    "In cases in which there is a lifetime injury, the award will be the equivalent of many millions of dollars," says New York-based attorney Robert Krakow, who has represented petitioners in hundreds of vaccine injury claims. "It could be $20 million over a lifetime." Just three such claims a year—out of the many millions of vaccines administered annually—0ver the course of the 27 years the VICP has been in effect can account for half of the total dollars spent on awards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It a lucrative business to bring cases to the vaccine court- lawyers get paid $460 an hour.

    $460? Really? That seems a little high, even for attorneys doing these cases. I know attorney fees can vary widely, based in things like location, experience, specialty, etc. I'm not saying your figure is inaccurate, but what is the basis of your figure?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    $460? Really? That seems a little high, even for attorneys doing these cases. I know attorney fees can vary widely, based in things like location, experience, specialty, etc. I'm not saying your figure is inaccurate, but what is the basis of your figure?
    Found the figure in this article (actually up to $430 an hour): http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/...s-fact-fiction


    . The system has attracted scores of attorneys, who are paid hourly legal fees of up to $430 regardless of whether a claim succeeds. The court's website lists 195 lawyers nationwide who are willing to take vaccine cases, although petitioners can hire others. Many are clearly in search of their piece of the $3.7 billion sitting in the trust fund today. A sampling of the bold proclamations on vaccine lawyers' websites include these: "WE HAVE RECOVERED MILLIONS FOR OUR CLIENTS"; "Pursue Compensation"; and "NO COST to you."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Found the figure in this article (actually up to $430 an hour): http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/...s-fact-fiction

    Well, that is not exactly $460. Also, that is based on experience. See this source:

    31+ years of experience in practice
    $394 – $440
    20 – 30 years of experience in practice
    $358 – $424
    11 – 19 years of experience in practice
    $307 – $383
    8 – 10 years of experience in practice
    $281 – $358
    4 – 7 years of experience in practice
    $230 – $307
    Less than 4 years of experience in practice
    $153 – $230

    http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/...edule-2017.pdf








    ..hourly legal fees of up to $430 regardless of whether a claim succeeds.
    I notice your author does not have a source for that. I will bet that is dubious. I observe very few people pay over $400 per hour for cases that fail.




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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    Well, that is not exactly $460. Also, that is based on experience. See this source:

    31+ years of experience in practice
    $394 – $440
    20 – 30 years of experience in practice
    $358 – $424
    11 – 19 years of experience in practice
    $307 – $383
    8 – 10 years of experience in practice
    $281 – $358
    4 – 7 years of experience in practice
    $230 – $307
    Less than 4 years of experience in practice
    $153 – $230

    http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/...edule-2017.pdf










    I notice your author does not have a source for that. I will bet that is dubious. I observe very few people pay over $400 per hour for cases that fail.




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    Thanks for the info. Even $300 an hour for somebody with just five years experience is a lot of money. Plus if they win they probably get a percent of the settlement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Thanks for the info.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I do think that ID should be required for certain things like carrying a concealed weapon...




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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    http://time.com/3995062/vaccine-injury-court-truth/



    It a lucrative business to bring cases to the vaccine court- lawyers get paid $460 an hour.
    Take a look at how long it takes to settle these cases. Sometimes years. The attorneys are paid out the National Vaccine Injury compensation program, and have to fund the cases themselves until a settlement is reached. If it were so "lucrative" many more would be doing it, but these attorneys have to litigate against federal attorneys hired by the government who do not want to let funds be released from NVICP. The government current has over a $3 BILLION balance in the program, paid from sales taxes of vaccines. Very few attorneys have the skill to do what it takes to go against these government attorneys and see good results for their clients. Robert Krakow, whom you quoted, is one of the best, but there are few others like him. More attorneys are needed, in fact, to take on the feds.

    Either way, what is the point of attacking attorneys who earn wages from representing clients who are vaccine injured, or relatives who watched a loved-one die from a vaccine?

    This vaccine court is the only place where they can be compensated for such loss, and the government makes it extremely difficult to do so. The GAO has criticized the program because it is not being operated the way Congress intended when the program was setup, and the vast majority of Americans do not even know such a program exists, because vaccine fanatics like you are telling them vaccines are safe and effective and therefore their injuries or death could not possibly be the result of vaccines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    Well, that is not exactly $460. Also, that is based on experience. See this source:

    31+ years of experience in practice
    $394 – $440
    20 – 30 years of experience in practice
    $358 – $424
    11 – 19 years of experience in practice
    $307 – $383
    8 – 10 years of experience in practice
    $281 – $358
    4 – 7 years of experience in practice
    $230 – $307
    Less than 4 years of experience in practice
    $153 – $230

    http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/...edule-2017.pdf










    I notice your author does not have a source for that. I will bet that is dubious. I observe very few people pay over $400 per hour for cases that fail.




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    These rates are not really representative of the different areas of law. Washington D.C. attorneys litigating against the government can command between $400 to well over $1000.00 an hour depending on the case.

    What do you think O.J. Simpson's attorneys cost him? Rate is based on your success, not years of service.
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