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    Ron Paul on ‘Russian social media meddling’ (Streamed live)

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    Excellent interview.

    The WaPo-MSM has one-upped its own self dis-crediting (who would have thought it possible) with its latest hysteria about FaceBook ads is the most ridiculous chicken little story yet. A minuscule $100,000 (less than what many businesses spend per day) in ads over three years placed by a wide variety of sources, that are not even related to the election, some even after the election was over. Rather they allege ads that might touch on an issue that can be interpreted as connected somehow to some politics. Well that includes virtually every contemporary issue.
    But most importantly, this tiny drop of ads over three years were not placed by the Russian government or necessarily even from any Russians seeking anything to do with any electio. Rather the WaPo conspiracy alleges that this tiny drop of ads over a three year span was a giant conspiracy by "Russian Operatives." You know, what the WaPo accused Dr. Ron Paul and Matt Drudge and hundreds of others of being. Its its six degrees of Kevin Bacon Russia. Have you ever mentioned Russia, said something nice about it, disagreed with any part of the neocon foreign policy agenda, or know someone with a Russian sounding name? Then Ha, you are a Russian operative - part of a grand conspiracy and anything you say that we don't like is impermissible propaganda you operative you.
    Last edited by AZJoe; 09-30-2017 at 12:44 AM.
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    Consortium News has a great article too:

    The [WaPo] article … actually is a story about how powerful politicians bullied Facebook into coming up with something – anything – to support the narrative of “Russian meddling,” including direct interventions by President Obama and Sen. Mark Warner

    Facebook was sent back again and again to find what Obama and Warner wanted the social media company to find. Eventually, Facebook turned up $100,000 in ads from 2015 into 2017 that supposedly were traced somehow to Russia. … most did not pertain directly to the presidential election and some ads were purchased after the election.

    Left out of the Post’s latest opus is what a very small pebble these ads were … a miniscule fraction of Facebook’s $27 billion in annual revenue. … and we’ve yet to see any evidence connecting these ads to the Russian government ...

    Even the Post’s alarmist article briefly acknowledges that it is still unclear who bought the ads, referring to the purchasers as “suspected Russian operatives.” In other words, we don’t even know that the $100,000 in ads over three years came from Russians seeking to influence the U.S. election. (By comparison, many Facebook advertisers – even some small businesses – spend $100,000 per day on their ads, not $100,000 over three years.) …

    It has simply become Official Washington’s new groupthink to say that everything linked to Russia or its international TV network RT is “fake news” or “disinformation” even though examples are lacking or often turn out to be false accusations themselves. …

    In responsible journalism, such an accusation would be followed by a for-instance, giving an example of “the misinformation and hate” that the “Russian operatives” … were disseminating. But there is no example of the Russian “misinformation and hate,” a classic violation of the reporting principle of “show, don’t tell.” …

    what is shown in the article is often contradictory to the story’s conclusion. The article says, for instance, “A review by the company found that most of the groups behind the problematic pages had clear financial motives, which suggested that they weren’t working for a foreign government. … the security team did not find clear evidence of Russian disinformation or ad purchases by Russian-linked accounts.” …

    Facebook initially – after extensive searching – did not find evidence of a Russian operation. Then, after continued pressure from high-level Democrats, Facebook continued to scour its system and again found nothing, … That prompted Warner to fly out to Silicon Valley to personally press Facebook executives to come up with the evidence to support the Democrats’ theory …

    faced with extraordinary pressure from senior Democrats, Facebook finally delivered the desired results, … “3,000 ads addressing social and political issues that ran in the United States between 2015 and 2017 and that” … only “appear” to be “associated” with some private Russian operation that only allegedly has ties to the Kremlin. And the total sums of the ad buys are infinitesimal compared to what it actually takes to have any real impact on Facebook or in a U.S. presidential election. …

    [T]he article also ignores is the extraordinary degree of coercion that such high-level political pressure can put on a company … its vulnerability to government regulation. … As Facebook has acknowledged in corporate filings, “Action by governments to restrict access to Facebook in their countries could substantially harm our business and financial results. … governments of one or more countries may seek to censor content available on Facebook in their country, restrict access to Facebook … or impose other restrictionsand our financial results could be adversely affected.”

    In other words … powerful politicians who could severely harm Facebook’s business model were getting in the face of Facebook executives and essentially demanding that they come up with something to support the Democratic Party’s theory of “Russian meddling.”

    The Democratic leaders wanted this finding … instead of looking in the mirror, national Democrats demanded that Facebook executives ferret out whatever tiny or imaginary information there might be about some Russians buying Facebook adsand then allow those coerced findings to be fed into the excuse industry for why Hillary Clinton lost. …

    The reality is that the U.S. government has stumbled again and again when seeking to paint RT as a disinformation outlet or a vehicle for undermining American democracy. … For instance, the Jan. 6 report on alleged Russian “cyber operations,” released by Obama’s Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, included a lengthy appendix, dated from 2012, which decried RT for such offenses as allowing a debate among third-party presidential candidates who had been excluded from the Republican-Democratic debates; covering the Occupy Wall Street protests; and citing the environmental dangers from “fracking.” …

    senior U.S. politicians, including Hillary Clinton, and the U.S. mainstream media have falsely asserted that all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies signed off on the Russia-did-it hacking claims. … But it turned out that – as DNI Clapper, himself a hardline Russia-basher, belatedly acknowledged – the Jan. 6 report on the alleged Russian hacking was the work of “hand-picked” analysts from only three agencies, the CIA, FBI and NSA, and the “assessment” itself admitted that it was not asserting the Russian conclusion as fact, only the [hand-picked] analysts’ opinion. The New York Times finally retracted its use of the fake claim …

    the U.S. mainstream media is trampling a chief principle of the Enlightenment, the belief that the marketplace of ideas is the best way to determine the truth and to create an informed populace. The new U.S. mainstream media paradigm is that only establishment-approved views can be expressed; everything else must be suppressed, purged and punished. …

    if you question the State Department’s narrative on alleged Syrian government sarin attacks – by noting contrary evidence that … you are called an “apologist” for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. If you question the one-sided State Department narrative regarding the Ukraine coup in 2014 – indeed even if you use the word “coup” – you are denounced as a “Kremlin stooge.” It is now not okay to even consider the other side of these stories, just as it was anathema to suggest that Saddam Hussein’s Iraqi government may have been telling the truth in 2002-03 when it declared repeatedly that it had destroyed its WMDs. That made you a “Saddam apologist.” …

    In another front-page Post story, Timberg allowed an anonymous group called PropOrNot to malign the professionalism and patriotism of 200 Web sites, including our own Consortiumnews, that were lumped together in a McCarthyistic smear that they were somehow guilty of disseminating “Russian propaganda.” The unnamed accusers – granted anonymity by the Post – acknowledged that they had no evidence … but made the judgment based on PropOrNot’s analysis of the Web sites’ content. In other words, if you questioned the State Department’s narratives on Ukraine or Syria – regardless of how well-supported those critiques were – you got smeared as a “Russian propagandist” – and the Post, … considered that sort of analysis to be worthy of its front page. …
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul.
    "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne
    "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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    From Liberty Blitzkrieg: Politicians Pressure Facebook into Finding Something?

    "The most concerning part of the article ... is the fact that Facebook looked for months and couldn’t find anything. Then it suddenly comes up with something for desperate politicians to point to after months of pressure. …

    What does this timeline look like to you? To me it looks like Facebook couldn’t find anything damning, and then finally after months of enormous political pressure to find something to fit the desperate and collapsing Russia narrative, the company came up with a measly $100,000 worth of ads [spread over years], which in many cases had nothing to do with the election or the specific candidates.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul.
    "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne
    "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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