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    Hugh Hefner, Playboy Magazine Founder and Star of Girls Next Door, Dies at 91

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    By Natalie Stone•@natalie_j_stone

    Updated September 27, 2017 at 11:15pm EDT

    Hugh Hefner, the founder of Playboy magazine and star of E! reality show The Girls Next Door, has died, PEOPLE confirms. He was 91.

    Born Hugh Marston Hefner on April 9, 1926 in Chicago, Illinois to parents Grace Caroline and Glenn Lucius Hefner, the businessman died on Wednesday.

    “Hugh M. Hefner, the American icon who in 1953 introduced the world to Playboy magazine and built the company into one of the most recognizable American global brands in history, peacefully passed away today from natural causes at his home, The Playboy Mansion, surrounded by loved ones,” a rep for the Playboy Enterprises founder said in a statement to PEOPLE.

    American Icon and Playboy Founder, Hugh M. Hefner passed away today. He was 91. #RIPHef pic.twitter.com/tCLa2iNXa4

    — Playboy (@Playboy) September 28, 2017

    “My father lived an exceptional and impactful life as a media and cultural pioneer and a leading voice behind some of the most significant social and cultural movements of our time in advocating free speech, civil rights and sexual freedom. He defined a lifestyle and ethos that lie at the heart of the Playboy brand, one of the most recognizable and enduring in history. He will be greatly missed by many, including his wife Crystal, my sister Christie and my brothers David and Marston, and all of us at Playboy Enterprises,” said Cooper Hefner, his son Chief Creative Officer of Playboy Enterprises.

    Hefner quickly rose to fame after the first issue of men’s magazine Playboy published in December 1953, which featured a nude Marilyn Monroe. The same year, Hefner launched media and lifestyle company Playboy Enterprises, Inc., on which he served as a board member until the time of his death.



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    "The Playboy Mansion, surrounded by loved ones"

    that must've been one heck of a crowded room
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    "The Playboy Mansion, surrounded by loved ones"

    that must've been one heck of a crowded room
    Awkward too...

    Prime Star satellite had a Playboy channel in the 90s. There was a time when top actors and statesmen paid homage to the Hef. Anyway, I guess that's the end of Playboy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Awkward too...

    Prime Star satellite had a Playboy channel in the 90s. There was a time when top actors and statesmen paid homage to the Hef. Anyway, I guess that's the end of Playboy?
    Meh, that mag died off years ago, when it became "sensitive" to "women's issues".


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    Does this mean there is a job opening?
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    I wonder what he thinks of heaven?
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I wonder what he thinks of heaven?
    ....through the binoculars?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Does this mean there is a job opening?
    Theres always an opening, lots of em. Turn overs high. Its hard work.

    Ill stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I wonder what he thinks of heaven?
    To quote Bob Marley,

    "If ya know what life is worth, you will look for yours on Earth."

    Hef made his own Heaven. RIP
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    SEPTEMBER 28, 2017



    Hugh Hefner was a tyrant who expounded a cruel and exploitative philosophy…
    by NATHAN J. ROBINSON

    Hugh Hefner was not a good person. From the accounts of its residents, Hefner’s Playboy Mansion functioned a lot like an internment camp. Hefner exercised totalitarian control over his “girlfriends”: they had a 9pm curfew, and if they violated it Hefner would burst into tears and tell them they should move out. He instituted a strict set of bizarre rules, including forcing each girl to wear matching pajamas. (“If you do something wrong, you’ll get an email. There’s a strict code of conduct.”) He “would constantly create drama and infighting among his girlfriends by randomly changing his long-held positions or household policies to favor one over the rest of them.” He would selectively belittle girls (“You look old, hard, and cheap“), talked down to them and “frequently made them cry.” He pushed Quaaludes on the girls, referring to the drugs as “thigh-openers.” According to Holly Madison, who spent years living with Hefner, he was manipulative, cold, and totalitarian. He refused to use condoms or be tested for STDs, and would require depressing group sex at regularly scheduled times. Each week the girls would have a scheduled time to go to Hefner to receive their “allowance,” and he would threaten to withhold their payment if they had dissatisfied him or broken a rule. As Madison writes:

    We all hated this process. Hef would always use the occasion to bring up anything he wasn’t happy about in the relationship. Most of the complaints were about the lack of harmony among the girlfriends — or your lack of sexual participation in the ‘parties’ he held in his bedroom. If we’d been out of town for any reason and missed one of the official ‘going out’ nights [when Hefner liked to parade his girls at nightclubs] he wouldn’t want to give us the allowance. He used it as a weapon.

    Madison became severely depressed over her years in the mansion, after she realized the security gates were there to keep her locked in, and began thinking suicide might be her only way out. Two other girls who spent time in the Mansion were clear: it was “like being in prison.”

    Hefner, then, was a domestic abuser. That’s the name we have for this type of person. What kind of person imposes a curfew on their “partner” and locks them inside a mansion, dictating their clothes, regulating their personal interactions, and chastising them for breaking his “rules”? This is tyrannical and horrifying.

    If you read the obituaries for Hefner today, though, you won’t really get a full sense of the man the Boston Globe describes as “the pipe-smoking, Pepsi-quaffing founder of Playboy magazine, whose cheerfully prurient vision of the good life made him a founding father of the sexual revolution.” The BBC begins:

    Hugh Hefner created a fantasy world for millions of men but unlike most of his readers, actually got to live the dream. He successfully tapped into a new generation of Americans who were enjoying rising standards of living in the boom years of the 1950s and 60s. A political activist and philanthropist, he produced not just a magazine, but a whole lifestyle. And in Playboy’s famous bow-tie-wearing rabbit he launched one of the most recognised brands of the 20th Century.

    The Washington Post tells us:

    As much as anyone, Hugh Hefner turned the world on to sex. As the visionary editor who created Playboy magazine out of sheer will and his own fevered dreams, he introduced nudity and sexuality to the cultural mainstream of America and the world. For decades, the ageless Mr. Hefner embodied the “Playboy lifestyle” as the pajama-clad sybarite who worked from his bed, threw lavish parties and inhabited the Playboy Mansion with an ever-changing bevy of well-toned young beauties.

    And the New York Times:

    Hefner the man and Playboy the brand were inseparable. Both advertised themselves as emblems of the sexual revolution, an escape from American priggishness and wider social intolerance. Both were derided over the years — as vulgar, as adolescent, as exploitative, and finally as anachronistic. But Mr. Hefner was a stunning success from his emergence in the early 1950s. His timing was perfect. He was compared to Jay Gatsby, Citizen Kane and Walt Disney, but Mr. Hefner was his own production. He repeatedly likened his life to a romantic movie; it starred an ageless sophisticate in silk pajamas and smoking jacket, hosting a never-ending party for famous and fascinating people.

    One of the most remarkable tendencies in American media is its capacity to whitewash the misdeeds of truly horrible people, whether it’s the New York Times talking about what Henry Kissinger wears to lunch at the Four Seasons, or the New Yorker raving about George W. Bush’s paintings without mentioning the fact that 500,000 Iraqis died in a war he launched. Multiple women have said that Hugh Hefner essentially imprisoned them in his house and demanded sex from them. Holly Madison says she nearly killed herself because of his treatment. Apparently, though, this just makes him the “embodiment of the Playboy lifestyle.”

    Of course, the “controversies” about Hefner do get mentioned. Here’s the New York Times:

    Mr. Hefner was reviled, first by guardians of the 1950s social order — J. Edgar Hoover among them — and later by feminists. But Playboy’s circulation reached one million by 1960 and peaked at about seven million in the 1970s.

    Look at this remarkable passage. Feminist criticism of Playboy, which centers around its embrace of the very kind of disgusting treatment of women that Hefner himself practiced, is lumped in with the persecutions of J. Edgar Hoover. “Sure, buzzkills like the Feminazis and Hoover came after it, but the circulation was incredible.”

    The feminist criticism of Playboy has always been obviously correct. Hefner literally reduced women to little bunnies who existed entirely to suck his penis. Of course, there’s plenty of mention in the obituaries of Hefner’s “highbrow” aspirations. In his words “We enjoy mixing up cocktails and an hors d’oeuvre or two, putting a little mood music on the phonograph and inviting in a female acquaintance for a quiet discussion on Picasso, Nietzsche, jazz, sex.” But it was always clear that the intellectual side of Playboy was strictly for men: he refused to discuss politics or literature with any of his girlfriends. They were there for him to have joyless unprotected sex with whenever he pleased.

    Hefner’s Playboy was committed to destroying the idea that women were people. As the Times quotes, Hefner demanded his writers go after feminism in the magazine’s pages:

    “These chicks are our natural enemy. What I want is a devastating piece that takes the militant feminists apart. They are unalterably opposed to the romantic boy-girl society that Playboy promotes.”

    That “romantic boy-girl society” was the “dream” Hefner frequently said he lived. It was little more than the dream of tyrannizing over women while wearing a bathrobe.

    The world of Playboy was a profoundly sad one. In photos, Hefner never looks particularly happy, and he was a recluse who didn’t even seem to enjoy the copious amounts of sex he had. (“There was zero intimacy involved… No kissing, nothing.”) Hefner’s fantasy lifestyle was inhuman in every way. It was sex as something mechanical and lifeless, something one did because it was the thing that made you a Playboy, rather than because of true passion. That’s the dark secret about Hefner: he wasn’t even a hedonist. A hedonist pursues pleasure. Hefner didn’t even care about pleasure. He cared about the taming and conquest of women.

    There’s an important critique of libertarian morality to the Hefner story, too. Hefner was an advocate for freedom from all kinds of government restraint, a champion of the First Amendment and abortion rights (as every obituary has reminded us repeatedly). He was a “passionate libertarian.” Hefner also believed he was changing American morality, saying: “What it really comes down to is an attempt to establish what has been called a new morality… really think that’s what this thing called the ‘American sexual revolution’ is really all about.” (This is taken from the NYT’s charming compilation of Hefner’s “Most Memorable Interview Moments.”) Here we see exactly what happens when “freedom” is taken to be a moral philosophy in itself. Like many libertarians, Hefner wanted to be free, but he wanted to be free from government tyranny only so he could exercise a kind of unaccountable private tyranny. As with libertarianism always, “freedom to be a dick” seems to be the goal. He wanted to establish a “new morality” that would simply let him do as he pleased to women, without any ethical constraints. “Liberty,” while essential, is meaningless unless it is also coupled with a set of standards for how people should actually behave toward one another.

    I am not actually celebrating Hugh Hefner’s death. It’s sad when people die. By “good riddance,” I don’t mean that I take personal pleasure in his death, but that the world will be better once it rids itself of Hefner’s values. And since Hefner himself was an evangelist for those values until his last days, we are better off without him. (I felt the same way when Antonin Scalia died. I didn’t want him to die; I would have preferred that he had remained alive and simply renounced his horrible beliefs and become a good person. But he never did, so we had to settle for death.)
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    He instituted a strict set of bizarre rules, including forcing each girl to wear matching pajamas.
    The horror. The horror...

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    A sad degenerate who never grew up. Not very interesting or charismatic either; just look at his interview with William F. Buckley.

    I remember I would see pictures of him in his 80s with numerous 20-something girlfriends. All I saw was a decrepit, wrinkled child with a stunted personality. I honestly found it depressing, especially how the mainstream culture venerated him as some sort of icon of cool. The thought of him bribing these bleach-blonde, silicone-titted airheads to suffer through sex with him is just so pitiful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    A sad degenerate who never grew up. Not very interesting or charismatic either; just look at his interview with William F. Buckley.

    I remember I would see pictures of him in his 80s with numerous 20-something girlfriends. All I saw was a decrepit, wrinkled child with a stunted personality. I honestly found it depressing, especially how the mainstream culture venerated him as some sort of icon of cool. The thought of him bribing these bleach-blonde, silicone-titted airheads to suffer through sex with him is just so pitiful.
    Unlike the true love people normally participate in.
    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaconda View Post
    The horror. The horror...
    A real monster. I bet he made them wear makeup as well.
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    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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    “He was a “passionate libertarian libertine.”
    FIFY


    “Liberty,” while essential, is meaningless unless it is also coupled with a set of standards for how people should actually behave toward one another.
    It may be an unpopular thing to say, but I believe this is true. We were just talking about this on another thread.
    “The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together; and a little child shall lead them. The cow and the bear shall graze; their young shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

    They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilymc View Post
    It may be an unpopular thing to say, but I believe this is true. We were just talking about this on another thread.
    Who was going tell Hefner how to behave in his house? Nobody. Liberty is self-governance; I'm sure several women governed themselves and turned down his advances. We can't just focus on the film/porn industry and say, "Yeah, the whole society's sick. We need official standards, or kids will never grow up."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Who was going tell Hefner how to behave in his house? Nobody. Liberty is self-governance; I'm sure several women governed themselves and turned down his advances. We can't just focus on the film/porn industry and say, "Yeah, the whole society's sick. We need official standards, or kids will never grow up."
    He was getting too much pussy to be a true libertarian.
    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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    lol I'm in the clear, then. :P I mean, he might have been a real "tyrant" - pfft, he was too weak from constant sex to have ruled his house - or a Peter Pan libertine, but who cares what he did in his house, with scores of women who profited from the voluntary arrangement? No, if there was any hell going on under his roof, it was probably the cat fights and when he ran out of gin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Who was going tell Hefner how to behave in his house? Nobody. Liberty is self-governance; I'm sure several women governed themselves and turned down his advances. We can't just focus on the film/porn industry and say, "Yeah, the whole society's sick. We need official standards, or kids will never grow up."
    You missed the point. I wasn't even really commenting on Hefner, I was just making a general statement that one of the principles of liberty is virtue, as was mentioned on this thread. When people stop caring about that, they end up as captives... without even realizing it at first. There's much more to it than that, but that's a topic for its own thread.
    “The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together; and a little child shall lead them. The cow and the bear shall graze; their young shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

    They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.”

    ― Isaiah 11:6-7,9

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilymc View Post
    You missed the point. I wasn't even really commenting on Hefner, I was just making a general statement that one of the principles of liberty is virtue, as was mentioned on this thread. When people stop caring about that, they end up as captives... without even realizing it at first. There's much more to it than that, but that's a topic for its own thread.
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    Pffff.....Virtue ...Like I have any of that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lamp View Post
    Pffff.....Virtue ...Like I have any of that.
    Virtue is what we accuse others of not having.

    VIRTUES, n.pl. Certain abstentions.
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    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilymc View Post
    You missed the point. I wasn't even really commenting on Hefner, I was just making a general statement that one of the principles of liberty is virtue, as was mentioned on this thread. When people stop caring about that, they end up as captives... without even realizing it at first. There's much more to it than that, but that's a topic for its own thread.
    Yeah, I was replying to your use of the quote saying there needs to be standards between people. There don't need to be standards between people - there are standards. In Hef's case, the standards were his own, or his handlers', and women still signed on. No victims here. I grant you he might have been a libertine, but c'mon Playboy Mansion is no sure corollary with society at large.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Yeah, I was replying to your use of the quote saying there needs to be standards between people. There don't need to be standards between people - there are standards. In Hef's case, the standards were his own, or his handlers', and women still signed on. No victims here. I grant you he might he might have been a libertine, but c'mon Playboy Mansion is no sure corollary with society at large.
    Again, I wasn't even talking about his particular situation. Yes, of course there already are standards. I'm sure that even Jeffrey Dahmer had his own standards that he lived by.

    But you do realize that if no true standard exists, then the very idea of virtue or morality is meaningless? That is not to say that people are not free to decide for themselves. Of course we all have free will and we all have the ability to choose the way we live our life. However, there is a true standard, whether people want to recognize it or not. And my point was simply that true liberty goes hand in hand with that objective standard of right/wrong. When people do not care about that, they will eventually end up in chains. As I mentioned on that other thread, this is basically what Jesus said in John 8:34.
    “The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together; and a little child shall lead them. The cow and the bear shall graze; their young shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

    They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.”

    ― Isaiah 11:6-7,9

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    Could we get a more secular explanation of right and wrong​ for everyone here who isnt an evangelical?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilymc View Post
    [M]y point was simply that true liberty goes hand in hand with that objective standard of right/wrong. When people do not care about that, they will eventually end up in chains.
    I'm sure Hef wore lots of chains in his lifetime. Where's the outrage over Hugh Hefner's chains?

    Dhamer could have died a much more harrowing death, especially without a church and state to mandate standards.
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    They turned friends
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    Who became
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    They stood alone, in splendid isolation,
    And said it was their only choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lamp View Post
    Could we get a more secular explanation of right and wrong​ for everyone here who isnt an evangelical?
    I think a really good explanation (for anyone, believer or not) can be found in the book Mere Christianity by C.S Lewis. Specifically, in the first few chapters. Don't be put off by the title. I highly recommend that book, if you are genuinely interested in this topic.
    “The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together; and a little child shall lead them. The cow and the bear shall graze; their young shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

    They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.”

    ― Isaiah 11:6-7,9

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    RIGHT, n. Legitimate authority to be, to do or to have; as the right to be a king, the right to do one's neighbor, the right to have measles, and the like. The first of these rights was once universally believed to be derived directly from the will of God; and this is still sometimes affirmed in partibus infidelium outside the enlightened realms of Democracy
    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Meh, that mag died off years ago, when it became "sensitive" to "women's issues".

    That's probably part of it, but I think internet porn really is what they'll never recover from. Even before that, Penthouse and other mags gave them some competition, and I think their style changed as the general population became hardened.

    There was a site that's been taken down now (no doubt for copyright infringement) that had every centerfold. I certainly don't have a gentleman's eye, but what I noticed was that in the early days, the lighting was softer and the girls looked more wholesome. They didn't even show their crotches until the 70's or so. The girls started to look less "girl next door" and more "come hither, stranger."

    But in any event, the magazine and its assorted enterprises had an amazing run.
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    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    That's probably part of it, but I think internet porn really is what they'll never recover from. Even before that, Penthouse and other mags gave them some competition, and I think their style changed as the general population became hardened.

    There was a site that's been taken down now (no doubt for copyright infringement) that had every centerfold. I certainly don't have a gentleman's eye, but what I noticed was that in the early days, the lighting was softer and the girls looked more wholesome. They didn't even show their crotches until the 70's or so. The girls started to look less "girl next door" and more "come hither, stranger."

    But in any event, the magazine and its assorted enterprises had an amazing run.
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