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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Its so much more than disrespectful to veterans and fallen solders. The flag and anthem represent EVERYONE in this country! All races, and all colors, all rich or poor. Its 1776 man! When we stared down the most powerful military in the world. In that moment MANY became ONE! You think there wasn't issues and disagreements then too? Many founders wanted to end slavery right then, but they also realized what they were up against, many southern states wouldn't join the war effort without assurances that slavery would remain legal in the new nation. Without the south, the war was lost! Its $#@!ing independence day man! We declare in one voice WE WILL NOT GO QUIETLY INTO THE NIGHT! We will not vanish without a fight! We're going to live on, we're going to survive! Because its worth it, its worth dying for man, this freedom that we have is unique to the world. Never before seen in human history. Freedom is the most unifying idea we have. Yes it includes the freedom to kneel but anyone that does either doesn't understand what it means or truly hates America. I think Colin Kaepernick actually does hate America. He wears shirts with Fidel Castro, he wears socks depicting cops as pigs. He raises a clinched fist in anger, dividing us all into groups he likes and groups he hates. Since this started is he ever on record saying he loves America? Because kneeling during the anthem does nothing for any cause whatsoever. If he has a cause that is important to him, maybe its perceived inequality, what has changed since he started this?? NOTHING! Because he encourages division and hate for his country nothing will ever change with a message like that.
    I believe I get your satire.



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    Quote Originally Posted by charrob View Post
    The forced patriotism is what started all of this. I agree with Ron that before 2009 players didn’t even participate in the singing of the national anthem: they were in the locker rooms. That the origination of all this was pentagon money for recruitment; if that never occurred, we wouldn’t be having this conversation right now.
    Sure, I agree. And taxpayer dollars should not go to professional sports teams and leagues in any way whatsoever.

    I was first to say that Pittsburgh had the right idea by leaving the team in the locker room. But it's too late for that. The NFL should have done it before the season started. *

    And even if you and I like the idea, it doesn't mean the that the majority of the NFL's customers will like it. It is a business, isn't it?

    There may be some football players who add Marxist goals onto that, but I suspect most are kneeling for the same reason people in St. Louis are currently protesting. Police violence.
    Go ahead and read Kaepernick's Saudi girlfriend's Twitter feed. She retweets all kinds of things, and Police shootings is only one reason for this "protest".

    They are claiming the expanded protests are about "freedom of speech" and solidarity, not unjustified Police shootings.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The NFL should have done what the Steelers did: leave teams in the locker room during the pre-game activities. And they should have done that before the season started.

    But their lack of getting ahead of this leaves them in a real bind. Hate to tell the NFL, but their customers are not all SJWs, Antifa and BLM members. Leftists are probably a minority of their customers, even though it may be the majority at ESPN.

    They screwed themselves good.
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    Living on Their Knees Rather Than Dying on Their Feet
    Becky Akers

    Our Canadian correspondent, David Maharaj, has a question for the drama queens-cum-SJW’s in the NFL: “Why have you not been protesting all along the death and destruction caused by the American federal government’s foreign policy?”

    Indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Living on Their Knees Rather Than Dying on Their Feet
    Becky Akers

    Our Canadian correspondent, David Maharaj, has a question for the drama queens-cum-SJW’s in the NFL: “Why have you not been protesting all along the death and destruction caused by the American federal government’s foreign policy?”

    Indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    You are the smartest person I know who supports Trump so I don't believe for one second you believe a word of that rubbish you posted.
    I do believe it. During this season's NFL combine I was at lunch and heard the broadcasters talking about the prospects. Beyond their abilities, they were talking about their physiques. "I measured him, and ......" What? That sounds like something right out of the slave market. I'm not going to lie. I love sports--especially baseball. I cannot believe what the system has become.

    And for the record, I am not a Trump supporter. He was not my candidate of choice, but he is a duly elected president and there is it. I find him interesting in that the media doesn't seem to get how he operates. I tend to be a little more objective than some. I like to take a step back an ask what is really happening. I don't own any Trump stuff, did not have a yard sign up, and would have voted for Rand Paul if he had given me an opportunity. I don't think it is wise to pigeon hole Trump because he won't be forced into a box. He has proven himself to be very amenable to listening to Rand, and that's a good thing. We might see something next week on health care that will have Rand's fingerprints all over it. We should be a little bit optimistic, because he is doing a lot of what we wanted him to do. The negativity really doesn't help. I don't want to be so blinded by my hate that I can't appreciate some of the good that comes along.

    Adding: Trump is what we got, so we have to work with him. We can expect he will be somewhat with liberty people. There isn't much of an agenda there compared to Obama, and he has gotten rid of most of the establishment people. Now if he would just get rid of the remaining Obama people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Hand/arm/knee gestures based expressions seem tobe growing in recent years. Where does ADL stand on these raised arm gestures?


    Then there was this totally different controversy out of Afghanistan Freedom war:

    UK soldiers under investigation after they were photographed performing Nazi salute in Helmand


    • MPs' anger that gesture could be dismissed as 'Loyalist tribute'
    • Picture believed to have been taken at an Army base in Helmand Province
    • It shows serving British soldiers two of which are giving Nazi-style salutes
    • MoD spokesman says the two soldiers seen saluting 'have been spoken to'


    PUBLISHED: 16:02 EST, 26 October 2013 | UPDATED: 05:07 EST, 27 October 2013


    Shocking: These two soldiers making Nazi-style salutes in front of the Union Flag have been investigated by Army chiefs

    There are those who would call for the soldiers’ immediate dismissal but despite my disgust at their behaviour, as a former commander I feel that they should be shown leniency.What the soldiers did was stupid but not a heinous crime.





    9 powerful photos of the 18 NFL players who protested during the national anthem

    http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/09/powe...social-justice



    French Soccer player's suspected goal celeberation hand gesture under investigation







    Quenelle salute famed Black French Comic arrested for firing plastic at bailiff who came to collect "racism" fines


    NBA Star Tony Parker and Dieudonne doing the Quenelle gesture from Instagram


    Could such laws come to US in years ahead?
    (FRANCE 24 with AFP)

    French comic Dieudonné detained for 'assault' on bailiff

    Latest update : 2014-01-22
    Controversial French comic Dieudonné M’bala M’bala was taken into custody for several hours on Wednesday for allegedly assaulting a bailiff who came to his home earlier this week to collect fines Dieudonné owes for racism offences.

    Dieudonné – who owes the state thousands of euros in unpaid fines for offences that include racial discrimination and hate speech – was questioned by police along with his girlfriend over the alleged attack, his lawyer said on Wednesday.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    In other words, white players are not welcome. This comes from the originator of the NFL kneel-down protest.
    Exactly.

    Whether anybody wants to admit it or not, that is what this all about.

    Not cops, not Trump, not drones, not any of it.

    "Whites not welcome here".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Exactly.

    Whether anybody wants to admit it or not, that is what this all about.

    Not cops, not Trump, not drones, not any of it.

    "Whites not welcome here".
    Fine by me.

    I wouldn't go if I were paid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    This was retweeted by Kaepernick's Saudi girlfriend and political adviser:


    https://www.twitter.com/hbryant42/st...71528185597952
    Guess what?

    You're absolutely right.

    You know what else?

    They were just about to, they were right on the verge of "getting it".

    Until you people came along, made it all about race and nothing else.

    And $#@!ing destroyed any momentum for change that was there, and got everybody back in their corners glowering at each other, by stepping up the rhetoric to the point of openly advocating for the the extermination of white people.

    <Self edited for politeness.>
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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Fine by me.

    I wouldn't go if I were paid.
    Agreed.

    Maybe some day we can give up on this forced multiculturalism nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Agreed.

    Maybe some day we can give up on this forced multiculturalism nonsense.
    I gave up on it decades ago.

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    Rebel Poet, if you don't think I should have an opinion, please put me on ignore. You are obviously too cowardly to throw down on the open, moderated boards. If NFL players have a right to their opinions, so do I. Stop stalking me around the boards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    In other words, white players are not welcome. This comes from the originator of the NFL kneel-down protest.
    The girlfriend is the originator of the NFL kneel? I thought that was Colin. Learned something new today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Its so much more than disrespectful to veterans and fallen solders. The flag and anthem represent EVERYONE in this country! All races, and all colors, all rich or poor. Its 1776 man! When we stared down the most powerful military in the world. In that moment MANY became ONE! You think there wasn't issues and disagreements then too? Many founders wanted to end slavery right then, but they also realized what they were up against, many southern states wouldn't join the war effort without assurances that slavery would remain legal in the new nation. Without the south, the war was lost! Its $#@!ing independence day man! We declare in one voice WE WILL NOT GO QUIETLY INTO THE NIGHT! We will not vanish without a fight! We're going to live on, we're going to survive! Because its worth it, its worth dying for man, this freedom that we have is unique to the world. Never before seen in human history. Freedom is the most unifying idea we have. Yes it includes the freedom to kneel but anyone that does either doesn't understand what it means or truly hates America. I think Colin Kaepernick actually does hate America. He wears shirts with Fidel Castro, he wears socks depicting cops as pigs. He raises a clinched fist in anger, dividing us all into groups he likes and groups he hates. Since this started is he ever on record saying he loves America? Because kneeling during the anthem does nothing for any cause whatsoever. If he has a cause that is important to him, maybe its perceived inequality, what has changed since he started this?? NOTHING! Because he encourages division and hate for his country nothing will ever change with a message like that.
    On the other hand......

    Colin Kaepernick has donated $800k to empower oppressed communities

    http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/08/coli...ommunities/amp

    I'd call this real Americanism and not saluting a flag.

    The Pledge of Allegiance was written by a socialist & the forgotten 3rd verse of the Star Spangled Banner is about killing blacks.

    And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
    That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
    A home and a Country should leave us no more?
    Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
    No refuge could save the hireling and slave
    From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
    O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
    America, the Beautiful should be our anthem and not this piece of $#@!.
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    Patriotism Is A Two-Edged Sword

    Patriotism Is A Two-Edged Sword

    By Paul Craig Roberts

    PaulCraigRoberts.org

    September 29, 2017

    I sometimes wonder if America’s greatest threat is the population’s hyper-patriotism. The bulk of the population is now at work shutting down the NFL players’ First Amendment rights, and none of the incensed censors are capable of understanding that it is they, and not the NFL players, who are attacking the U.S. Constitution. We have been through all this flag business before, and federal courts have ruled for the protesters who burnt flags, wore them on their clothes, whatever. Yet, here we go again.

    Hardwick Clothes CEO pulls the company’s advertising from NFL games. Insofar as advertising helps Hardwick’s shareholders, CEO Allan Jones is hurting his own shareholders in order to protest the NFL players’ protests, a thought that probably never occurred to him.

    According to this report — white people across the country are burning their NFL shirts and their expensive tickets for which they paid hundreds of dollars.

    A Louisiana state representative has introduced legislation to ban state subsidies for the New Orleans Saints because of their “disgraceful protests.” It is OK with Rep. Kenny Havard for Louisiana taxpayers to give hundreds of millions of dollars in subsidies to the NFL team as long as the players stand for the anthem, but not if they don’t. It apparently never occurred to Havard to question whether relatively poor Louisiana taxpayers should be giving hundreds of millions of dollars to a billionaire team owner. There is no doubt that the average salary of the Saints exceeds the average salary of Louisiana taxpayers.

    Former NFL quarterback John Elway declares: “I believe that this is the greatest country in the world,” and his personal belief takes care of the numerous protesters who clearly have a different view.

    Bill O’Reilly makes a guest appearance on Fox News berating the NFL protesters for ignoring the effect on US soldiers in Afghanistan who “are putting their life on the line.” Apparently, after all these years it still has not occurred to O’Reilly that the soldiers’ lives — and those of Afghans — are being put on the line by the military/security complex’s drive for profits and the neoconservative drive for US and Israeli hegemony.

    Trump sends out emails: “Do you stand with President Trump, our flag, and this great country” against the NFL protesters?

    The childishness of it all is an American embarrassment.

    The patriotic response is not only an attack on the First Amendment but also plays into the hands of Identity Politics, which has its own take on the matter. Julio Rosas writes in the HuffPost that standing for the national anthem is standing for white supremacy.

    Before a few dimwits send me emails demanding explanation why I stand for anti-American minorities against “the greatest country in the world,” let us all first consider where this is going. The answer is: nowhere good. The hyper-patriotism that is being whipped up is so irrational that it is against the self-interests of the counter-protesters, who are hurting the visibility of their merchandising brand and costing the shareholders profits, burning their clothing and expensive football tickets, and denying themselves their favorite entertainment.

    The military/security complex, the hegemonic neoconservatives, and the Israel Lobby are sitting there, licking their chops. They know what to do with this display of ignorant patriotism. They will turn it against Iran, North Korea, China, and Russia. Their profits will flow even higher, neocon ambitions will be realized, and Israel will have the US eliminate another country — Iran — in the way of its expansion. Or so they think.

    Russia cannot afford a vassal of Washington in Iran or the type of chaos in Iran that now engulfs Iraq and Libya. It is a short distance from Iran through Azerbaijan or Turkmenistan into Muslim areas of Russia and former Muslim provinces of the Soviet Union. If Iran falls, Russia is the next to be destabilized. Additionally, Iran in Washington’s hands extends to the East Washington’s surrounding of Russia. The Russian government would be confronted with US missile bases on its borders ranging from the Baltics through eastern and southern Europe, Ukraine, Georgia and Iran. Moreover, US missiles in Iran could reach China in a few minutes as can the US missile bases being constructed on China’s Pacific border under the guise of countering “the North Korean threat.”

    China depends on Iran for 20 percent of its oil supply. China was forced out of its Libyan oil supply by Washington’s overthrow of Gaddafi. Losing Iran would be a blow. At some point these two powerful countries will have to realize that their national existence is at stake. China has been too busy making money to pay attention, and Russia has been in thrall to its centuries-old desire to be part of the West.

    The Russian government’s policy of replying to Washington’s aggression with diplomacy has failed totally. This policy has been extremely expensive to Russia and today is a direct threat to Russia’s national survival. Whether Russia is too controlled by Washington and Israeli-installed billionaires to attend to its national interests remains to be seen.

    China’s lust for riches is a non-substitute for national survival.

    Washington is counting on these singular weaknesses of the only two countries capable of serving as a check on Washington’s unilateralism.

    However, there are countervailing powers in Russia and China. The Operation Command of the Russian High Command has publicly given its opinion that Washington is preparing a surprise nuclear attack on Russia. It would be derelict beyond comprehension for President Putin to ignore this conclusion. Inside China, historic pride is a rival influence to the lust for riches. The Chinese are determined never again to be a mere playground for foreign powers.

    Sooner or later even the hubris-overstuffed Zionist Lobby will realize that the American war against Iran that Israel is demanding is a fuse for a Third World War and that the Jews will be destroyed along with everyone else. From the “Nile to the Euphrates” will be a wasteland.

    On this website on September 27, 2017, I addressed what can be done from the Western side to reduce the tensions that are leading to nuclear armageddon. On the Russian and Chinese side what can be done is a tri-party mutual defense pact between Russia, Iran, and China that is made public. This would tell the psychopaths in Washington and Israel that an attack on Iran means World War III.

    If this is not a deterrent, then Washington and Israel are lost to evil, and life on earth is ended.
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    The same folks arguing the loudest that employees have the right to (not on their own time speak but rather to) hijack their employer's platform without consequence to promote personal political speech are the same folks destroying civil war statues, banning confederate flags, violently assaulting and shutting down consensual speech events on college campuses like UC Berkeley, stealing maga hats, economically destroying christian bakers, imposing speech and thought codes, "micro-aggression" and unapproved speech trigger policing, criminalizing man-made climate change "deniers", censoring whatever the deem offensive to their fixed mantras, etc. They do not seek freedom of speech but to impose only speech they approve of.

    Employees have the choice to hijack their employer's platform to promote their personal beliefs, but they must accept the consequences of their choices. The Employers have the right to discharge, suspend or punish employees who do hijack the employer's platform for personal political.

    Of course many of us abhor the ritualistic promotion of blind government worship. However, those currently taking a knee have no problem promoting the worship of the state. Where were they the past eight years or even before? They cared not about the wars, murders, invasion, bombings, dronings, regime changes, lies, surveillance, debt, destruction, forced buying of products, ever greater takeover of the markets and the economy, persecution of whistle-blowers, media manipulation, torture whitewash, and on and on ... No, the folks taking a knee are devout worshipers of the religion of the state. They are only taking a knee at this specific point in time for purely political reasons. They unfortunately love the state. Most would proudly still be standing were the other candidate or the former occupant still in the white house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Hand/arm/knee gestures based expressions seem tobe growing in recent years. Where does ADL stand on these raised arm gestures?








    9 powerful photos of the 18 NFL players who protested during the national anthem

    http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/09/powe...social-justice



    French Soccer player's suspected goal celeberation hand gesture under investigation







    Quenelle salute famed Black French Comic arrested for firing plastic at bailiff who came to collect "racism" fines


    NBA Star Tony Parker and Dieudonne doing the Quenelle gesture from Instagram


    Could such laws come to US in years ahead?
    (FRANCE 24 with AFP)

    French comic Dieudonné detained for 'assault' on bailiff

    Latest update : 2014-01-22
    Controversial French comic Dieudonné M’bala M’bala was taken into custody for several hours on Wednesday for allegedly assaulting a bailiff who came to his home earlier this week to collect fines Dieudonné owes for racism offences.

    Dieudonné – who owes the state thousands of euros in unpaid fines for offences that include racial discrimination and hate speech – was questioned by police along with his girlfriend over the alleged attack, his lawyer said on Wednesday.





    The Quenelle: Fascist or Fad?
    Official Blogs from the Anti-Defamation League





    I'm so tired of people complaining about other people making stupid comments or gestures. If someone wants to make a comment that's against any group (be they Jews, blacks, Asians or whites) that's called freedom of speech. Get over it. If they do it to your face and you are personally insulted by it you can punch them in the nose (and get a good lawyer). This crap about getting the goonerment goonsquad involved over hurt feelings is BS with a capitol BULL!!!
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    NFL’s Oakland Raiders Threw Game After White QB Refused To Kneel For National Anthem

    A new report from The Armstrong and Getty Radio Show has sent shockwaves throughout the sports world after it was claimed that members of the NFL’s Oakland Raiders may have purposefully allowed their star quarterback to get sacked multiple times after he refused to kneel during the National Anthem.
    If true, this would essentially mean that an NFL football game was illegally thrown over anger that one of the teams star white players did not believe that kneeling during the nations anthem was the correct way to protest supposed racial injustice in America.
    In other words, an epic level scandal.

    More at: https://www.infowars.com/shock-repor...tional-anthem/
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    The whole thing is culture war nonsense, on both sides, and a huge distraction from the issues that actually matter.

    ...not to mention a major annoyance to those of us who turn on a football game with the expectation of seeing, you know, football.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    On the other hand......

    Colin Kaepernick has donated $800k to empower oppressed communities

    http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/08/coli...ommunities/amp

    I'd call this real Americanism and not saluting a flag.

    The Pledge of Allegiance was written by a socialist & the forgotten 3rd verse of the Star Spangled Banner is about killing blacks.



    America, the Beautiful should be our anthem and not this piece of $#@!.
    On the other hand, he is funding militant groups to murder white people.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...op-killer.html

    Kaepernick's foundation made the donation to Chicago-based Assata's Daughter's, named after former Black Liberation Army member Assata Shakur, in April as part of a $1million charitable pledge.
    Shakur was convicted of first-degree murder in the 1973 shooting death of New Jersey state trooper Werner Foerster and sentenced to life in prison, but staged a daring jailbreak and now lives as a fugitive in Cuba.

    Shakur was sentenced to life in prison, but escaped in 1979 when members of the Black Liberation Army visited her behind bars with concealed handguns, took prison officials hostage and commandeered a van.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    The whole thing is culture war nonsense, on both sides, and a huge distraction from the issues that actually matter.

    ...not to mention a major annoyance to those of us who turn on a football game with the expectation of seeing, you know, football.
    I knew if I held off posting long enough someone on this forum would eventually express my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    Annnnd...have some rep.

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    Again I'm gonna go back to my mother's voting tendencies, or lack thereof. She voted for the first time in two decades last November. For Trump. And really, it had nothing to do with Trump, but she was tired of the media's bias, constant race-baiting, and she thought Hillary Clinton was a bitch.

    When my mother is pissed off enough to go out and vote, I know that leftist America has fu*ked up. You may see it as anecdotal, but I see it as a sign and I'm certain she wasn't the only one driven to the polls by idiot liberals.

    These protests aren't helping at all. And now, instead of these players making millions and having the influence to actually go out into poor black communities and show people the way out of poverty, they will become irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I feel this protest was extremely appropriate. But I think they broke Olympic Committee rules by doing it. So where does this leave us?

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    The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding one’s self in the ranks of the insane.” — Marcus Aurelius


    Consilio et Animis de Oppresso Liber

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    All I know is if I'm not hurting anyone
    And I don't want to stand ...for any for damn reason I choose....
    I'll be damned if someone gonna make me stand
    Be ready to fight if you think you'll force me to do what you want.

    Conversation
    "I won't stand for the flag...i wont stand

    Other guy
    "Oh yes you will...it upsets me so much ...im so offended...i will force you to stand

    Bull$#@! if that's supported on these forums
    Freedom my god damn add
    You understand what freedom is right?
    Has absolutely nothing to do with a flag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
    Zyklon Ben seems triggered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philmanoman View Post
    All I know is if I'm not hurting anyone
    And I don't want to stand ...for any for damn reason I choose....
    I'll be damned if someone gonna make me stand
    Be ready to fight if you think you'll force me to do what you want.

    Conversation
    "I won't stand for the flag...i wont stand

    Other guy
    "Oh yes you will...it upsets me so much ...im so offended...i will force you to stand

    Bull$#@! if that's supported on these forums
    Freedom my god damn add
    You understand what freedom is right?
    Has absolutely nothing to do with a flag.
    This is the kind of response to this nonsense I expect to see on RonPaulForums. Not all the goonerment worship I've seen in the last few years. What a bunch of lost souls looking for a foulking cause!! LIBERTY is the only cause worth promoting...
    T
    BEWARE THE CULT OF "GOVERNMENT"

    Christian Anarchy - Our Only Hope For Liberty In Our Lifetime!
    Sonmi 451: Truth is singular. Its "versions" are mistruths.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ChristianAnarchist

    Use an internet archive site like
    THIS ONE
    to archive the article and create the link to the article content instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philmanoman View Post
    All I know is if I'm not hurting anyone
    And I don't want to stand ...for any for damn reason I choose....
    I'll be damned if someone gonna make me stand
    Be ready to fight if you think you'll force me to do what you want.

    Conversation
    "I won't stand for the flag...i wont stand

    Other guy
    "Oh yes you will...it upsets me so much ...im so offended...i will force you to stand

    Bull$#@! if that's supported on these forums
    Freedom my god damn add
    You understand what freedom is right?
    Has absolutely nothing to do with a flag.
    On. The. Nose.
    There is no spoon.

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