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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Who would be run off by whom?

    I'm a tad befuddled......
    By the BLM people. It's a divisive group, the leaders like it that way, the media likes it that way and as soon as someone tried to make it about anything besides divisiveness and oppressive whitey they would be targeted and run off.

    Did you read the post I was responding to? Anyway, they don't want any support that's not exclusively about black people as far as I can tell.



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    Quote Originally Posted by charrob View Post
    I never changed any parameters. I would support people on the issues I agree with them on. Here was my post:





    I think that would be a perfectly valid statement on a sign. Another possibility: "Libertarians against Police Brutality". By virtue of being Libertarian, others know we don't believe in communism and aren't racist.
    Why do you keep ignoring my question about discrimination laws? You are against them aren't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Why do you keep ignoring my question about discrimination laws? You are against them aren't you?

    I guess I don't understand your question. Here was the original post:

    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I'll ask you the same question I asked someone previously. Would you march with the KKK in support of ending discrimination laws?
    I would stand with the ACLU in their support of the KKK and their right to freedom of speech. Would I actually march with them? If I did my sign would say: "I don't agree with the KKK on race, but freedom of speech should never be suppressed and on those grounds, and only those grounds, I stand with them."

    As far as I know the only thing the KKK marches for is white supremacy. The KKK is discriminated against by leftists who try to repress their freedom of speech. I would support them in an effort to stop this discrimination because I strongly oppose any repression of speech. I was opposed to what the leftists did in Charlottesville; they had a right to counter-protest, but i didn't agree with it because their point was to repress the speech of others.

    I'm looking at your original sentence again. It can be read 2 ways. If your question is am i against quotas and 'hate' crimes being distinguished from other crimes, yes I am opposed to all that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charrob View Post
    I guess I don't understand your question. Here was the original post:




    As far as I know the only thing the KKK marches for is white supremacy. The KKK is discriminated against by leftists who try to repress their freedom of speech. I would support them in an effort to stop this discrimination because I strongly oppose any repression of speech. I was opposed to what the leftists did in Charlottesville; they had a right to counter-protest, but i didn't agree with it because their point was to repress the speech of others.
    It's a simple question. Are you against discrimination laws?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    It's a simple question. Are you against discrimination laws?

    Yes. While you were writing this post I was adding to mine. Yes I am against quotas and hate-crimes being distinguished from other crimes. I think that is what you are asking now. i had misunderstood your original question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charrob View Post
    Yes. While you were writing this post I was adding to mine. Yes I am against quotas and hate-crimes being distinguished from other crimes. I think that is what you are asking now. i had misunderstood your original question.
    Just making sure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Just making sure!

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    I'm sure the NFL would be against quotas too. Imagine affirmative action in the football league.

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    The annoying thing is that the entire NFL establishment and the bulk of the fans were AGAINST Colin Kaepernick. But now that Trump has spoken, everyone is on board. Where were these weak ass hypocrites when it was a simple matter of the First Amendment? I will never watch an NFL game again. Kaepernick and everyone who took a knee with him before Trump's comments are WAY too good for this idiotic sports monopoly. And they each should call out the NFL on their vile hypocrisy.

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    I'm done thinking about these overpaid weenies. We have the Predators right across the bridge. They line up and sing, and not all of them are Americans. P.K. Subban is Canadian, and he sings the National Anthem with a lot of enthusiasm. He brings joy to the game. I hope we can get to some hockey games this year.


    Ps Rebel Poet can stop,stalking me around the boards. You can't unsay stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    It's pretty well documented what most black protestors want.
    I don't feel like I need to respond to this in any way or point out how amazingly ridiculous it is. I'm just going to quote it and let it stand on its own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    100% in agreement with Ron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charrob View Post
    Brian even Ron Paul and Daniel McAdams stated in today's Liberty Report that the meaning of this forced patriotism during sports games is completely related to militarism. That was the whole point to today's Liberty Report. Here are excerpts from today's Report:

    And so, if i have to pick a side, I side with those taking a knee. I don't agree with everything they believe in, however, I am grateful that at least someone in this country has the guts to stand up to police violence and forced patriotism at these sports games. Colin Kaepernick has received death threats because of this; if that is not forced patriotism, then what is?
    I side with Ron. Not a fan of the forced militarism, but that is separate from all of the other issues. See the video above.

    And what would you be siding with if you took a knee? It has changed several times. At first it was about Police shootings, then it was about oppression, then it was about a whole host of cultural Marxist goals.

    And for those who haven't followed the news about all of the various people who took a knee this past weekend, including bands and kids teams, it's now all about "freedom of speech", which, as Ron (and I) have so clearly stated, it does not apply while at work. It's purely the discretion of the employer.
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    DirecTV Will Allow Angry Customers To Request NFL Refunds

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    One opinion on this nonsense...

    I guess this guy never heard the 3rd verse that Key wrote...

    "Key was on the boat waiting to see if the British would release his friend when he observed the bloody battle of Fort McHenry in Baltimore on Sept. 13, 1815. America lost the battle but managed to inflict heavy casualties on the British in the process. This inspired Key to write “The Star-Spangled Banner” right then and there, but no one remembers that he wrote a full third stanza decrying the former slaves who were now working for the British army:
    And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
    That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
    A home and a Country should leave us no more?
    Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
    No refuge could save the hireling and slave
    From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
    O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
    In other words, Key was saying that the blood of all the former slaves and “hirelings” on the battlefield will wash away the pollution of the British invaders. With Key still bitter that some black soldiers got the best of him a few weeks earlier, “The Star-Spangled Banner” is as much a patriotic song as it is a diss track to black people who had the audacity to fight for their freedom."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    While I agree that air racing is an insanely fast, breathtaking sport, you are limited in the class of aircraft you can fly, unless I'm mistaken, I could not compete in a surplus T-38.
    There are some classes such as F1, Biplane, T6 and sport but then there's the "unlimited" class shown in the photo. That class is "unlimited" in that you can fly anything with an internal combustion engine. Highly modified P-51's and Bearcats have been the fastest but there are Yaks, Corsairs, P-38's and pretty much any other fast plane entered in this class. They are affectionately called "the Bad Boys of air racing"... (there is also a jet class that allows all kinds of jets but no afterburners...)
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    Kaepernick also has a white birth mother and two white parents.
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    This goes right here- read to the end to understand why.

    Washington Has Initiated Military Conflict With Russia

    By Paul Craig Roberts

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    September 27, 2017

    Russia has provided evidence that Washington is collaborating with ISIS in attacks on Russian forces.

    In one Washington-directed attack, ISIS tried to capture 29 Russian military policemen. However, Russian special forces entered the fray, and the result was spectacular losses for ISIS.

    In another attack Washington-directed attack, Russian General Valery Asapov and two Russian colonels were killed in an attack that violated agreements.

    Sooner or later it will dawn on the Russian government that Washington is not a rational government with which diplomacy can be practiced, peace pursued, and agreements reached. Sooner or later it will dawn on the Russian government that far from being rational, Washington is a criminally insane collection of psychopaths in thrall to the military/security complex which, in turn, is in thrall to its massive profits.

    In other words, for the powerful interest groups that control the US government, war is a profit center. No amount of Russian diplomacy can do anything about this fact.

    It is unfortunate that the Russian government did not realize what it was dealing with. If the Russian government had not projected its own rationality on Washington, the war in Syria would have been over a couple of years ago. Instead, hoping for a settlement, the Russians were stop-go/stop-go, which gave Washington time to recover from the shock of Russian intervention and put in place plans to partition Syria in order to keep the conflict alive forever. Having dallied in hopes of a settlement, the danger of which The Saker warns us is real.

    The protests by black pro-football players by refusing to stand for the national anthem has come at an unfortunate time. It is playing into the hands of the military/security complex which is using President Trump’s loud voice challenging the “anti-americanism” to whip up patriotic fervor. It is amazing how people fall for it every time. The military/security complex and their presstitutes are creating public anger at those “attacking our country.” This anger will be turned from black football players to Russia.

    With the public in its pocket, the military/security complex will increase its reckless provocations of Russia until we are all dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Why do you keep ignoring my question about discrimination laws? You are against them aren't you?
    I think discrimination laws have made employers afraid to hire the right candidate for the job because they are afraid to be accused of breaking the law. When special rights (not inalienable ones) are given to some people, it means rights are taken away from others.

    Life is not all about law enforcement. That's not freedom. There are points in life when I am going to discriminate. When I married my husband I discriminated against every other man on earth. I make choices about people I do business with. That's discrimination. I make choices about people all the time. Everybody does. Life is just not that random.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    I don't feel like I need to respond to this in any way or point out how amazingly ridiculous it is. I'm just going to quote it and let it stand on its own.
    Instead of insulting me can you post some links that prove otherwise? I've posted several links to the most well know black groups (NAACP, and BLM's umbrella group which covers BLM and about 20 other groups.)
    Last edited by Madison320; 09-27-2017 at 08:12 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    I think discrimination laws have made employers afraid to hire the right candidate for the job because they are afraid to be accused of breaking the law. When special rights (not inalienable ones) are given to some people, it means rights are taken away from others.

    Life is not all about law enforcement. That's not freedom.
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    How may people die every year as a result of socialism? They don't get proper nutrition, clothing, health care thanks to socialism. They get killed in dangerous neighborhoods. I'm sure it's hundreds of times more than death by police. Not that police brutality isn't a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    100% in agreement with Ron.
    Yup.


    I've always thought the free speech arguments get overly complicated. To me it's normally pretty simple. Government can't prohibit speech but private citizens can. The players can say what they want and the owners can fire them, at least in a free society. In the US the owners might not be allowed to fire the players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Instead of insulting me can you post some links that prove otherwise? I've posted several links to the most well know black groups (NAACP, and BLM's umbrella group which covers BLM and about 20 other groups.)
    You spend a lot of time whining that people don't address every little, semi-relevant point you make. Yet instead of addressing the point that the government sets up controlled groups with which they try to reframe the debate, from the Official Tea Party Organizations of a few years ago to BLM today, you just reinforce their hand by insisting that no one else should even try to reach the individuals protesting and tell them to be careful what they wish for.

    I know the MSM and the CIA are formidable adversaries. But they only win total victories when good people forfeit the game.

    The bad guys are winning this domestic war through collectivism. Like their organized 'Tea Party' astroturf, BLM can't collectivize every protestor out there. But they can make those unhappy people look collectivized, and unappetizing enough that we decide they're too far gone to reason with. Just as the Astrotea Parties made us took too far gone to reason with minority citizens, though those few who tried found out we're really pretty reasonable. And just like the legions who jump on threads like this, and conflate protesting NFL players with BLM even though there's no proof that more than a small handful have anything to do with BLM itself, are making it hard for many minority former regular posters to this site to stomach it for more than a few minutes at a time any more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You spend a lot of time whining that people don't address every little, semi-relevant point you make. Yet instead of addressing the point that the government sets up controlled groups with which they try to reframe the debate, from the Official Tea Party Organizations of a few years ago to BLM today, you just reinforce their hand by insisting that no one else should even try to reach the individuals protesting and tell them to be careful what they wish for.

    I know the MSM and the CIA are formidable adversaries. But they only win total victories when good people forfeit the game.

    The bad guys are winning this domestic war through collectivism. Like their organized 'Tea Party' astroturf, BLM can't collectivize every protestor out there. But they can make those unhappy people look collectivized, and unappetizing enough that we decide they're too far gone to reason with. Just as the Astrotea Parties made us took too far gone to reason with minority citizens, though those few who tried found out we're really pretty reasonable. And just like the legions who jump on threads like this, and conflate protesting NFL players with BLM even though there's no proof that more than a small handful have anything to do with BLM itself, are making it hard for many minority former regular posters to this site to stomach it for more than a few minutes at a time any more.
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    Create an organization that purports to be part of a protest movement, but is totally over the top--so over the top that it puts some potentially sympathetic people off. Point the cameras and reporters of all the news organizations you control at that astroturf and pretend that's the whole movement. Divide and Conquer.

    They did it during Vietnam. They did it during the Cold War. They did it to the Tea Party. Are some of the people in this thread an active part of this strategy, or just useful idiots? Either way, there's a lot of dissatisfaction out there, and I'm sick of seeing it divided and conquered. Nobody here is going to affect things all by him- or herself.

    You know BLM is astroturf set up by some alphabet agency, probably the CIA. Ans what's more, the grassroots are probably figuring that out too. Why assume the real grassroots--the people who are sick of the cops coming into their neighborhoods in MRAPs and shooting people at random--are CIA too? Does that even make sense? Do the CIA invent whole movements, or just try to pervert the dissatisfaction of real grassroots groups? You know the answer to that. If there's a whole field of dissatisfied grassroots out there, why leave the field to the CIA? Why do them the favor? What have they ever done for us?
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    Tucker had a black lawyer on his show the other day to talk about the whole Boomerball/#kneelgate controversy.

    Now, barring rumors that Tucker is actually secretly red-pilled, this should have been a massive wake-up call for Tucker.

    Despite all his protestations to the contrary, the black man insisted that this was a race issue. All the arguments that Tucker made about civic identity were breezily dismissed. Tucker even came close to completely losing his cool and snapping when the black guy claimed racial solidarity with his black brethren. He literally said that it was a bond that transcended social class or how much money he made.

    Tucker was apoplectic. “But you live in the same neighborhood as I do!” He insisted. But the black guy didn’t care. He still decided to show solidarity with de brothas. He didn’t condemn them as “black trash” and try to ingratiate himself to Tucker or try to prove that he was better than they were. He was calm as a Hindu cow as he defended his race from de cracka sitting opposite him.

    Nothing could shake his confidence that his tribe was in the right, and that Whitey was in the wrong.

    He even brought up the First Amendment with such self-assured confidence. He knew that a non-White’s right to criticize Whitey in the USA is sacrosanct. Tucker was left scrambling to make arguments appealing to civic nationalism that fell on dead ears. The well-educated, well-paid and well-treated black lawyer still considered himself to be a nationality within a nation.

    The truth is that blacks hate America and White people deep down in their bones.

    Gone are the days when platitudes about American values are enough to placate the Gibs-me-dat hordes. In fact, one wonders if those platitudes ever worked on blacks and were not actually intended for skittish Conservatives mortified of being called mean names by the Left. The harder the non-Whites push against America and White people, the harder basic conservatives wrap themselves in the symbols of the republic and bleat that they are race-blind and pro-civil rights.

    It is like Antifa chanting “hate has no place here” and beating defenseless White old-timers. There is a cognitive disconnect at work with Antifa, just the same as with the civic nationalists. Everyone seems to be lying about what they really believe and couching their desire to finally end their opponent while chanting non-sequiturs. And in this time of universal deceit, only one group is willing to state what they believe proudly and clearly. Only the Alt-Right tells the truth about what it stands for. We want to foster the same racial solidarity that the black lawyer feels among our own people. One that stretches across zip codes and income levels. A wide, all-encompassing White Identity that will finally allow us to stand up and resist our dispossesion world-wide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I propose that the best way to convince these people all white people aren't the same is to help them fight federally militarized police. I propose that no one should pass up a chance to put a dent in the federal militarization of police because they might get close enough to some socialist in the process to explain to them why socialism leads to things like federally militarized police afterward. I propose Count had a point when he said the right place to be might be on the knee next to those protestors.
    I had thought the same thing for many years.

    After seeing what has transpired over the last year or so, I no longer think that.

    That's a damn shame, but it's my honest read and assessment of the current state of affairs.

    YMMV

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    It's times like these I wish I had still had cable just so I could cancel it.

    I just hate the hypocrisy. Forget patriotism, forget 'oppression', forget nationalism, forget Trump.

    ESPN is just another outlet for brainwashing the masses to only ever hear one side. I seem to recall a certain Tim Tebow was roasted over a fire pit for kneeling and praying. He was skewered, gutted, chastised, ostracized, etc. etc. No, we can't have that, someone might get offended.

    Fast forward to last Sunday and it's suddenly okay for football players to take a knee to protest white folk killing black folk at a rate much lower than black folk killing other black folk.

    Moments later, a Steelers player goes out and stands up during the national anthem. Oh, wait, it's not okay anymore. Go read this apology in front of the cameras.

    These NFL commissioner bastards don't give a $#@! about free speech. Don't kid yourselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    There are some classes such as F1, Biplane, T6 and sport but then there's the "unlimited" class shown in the photo. That class is "unlimited" in that you can fly anything with an internal combustion engine. Highly modified P-51's and Bearcats have been the fastest but there are Yaks, Corsairs, P-38's and pretty much any other fast plane entered in this class. They are affectionately called "the Bad Boys of air racing"... (there is also a jet class that allows all kinds of jets but no afterburners...)
    Well...I guess I better get my ass to Reno then.

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