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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    If you ask the players, they probably don't know. In the Titans-Seahawks game, the announcement was specifically about racial inequality and police brutality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    One word? When it comes to defending Trump, you can write thousand word essays and stand on your head.

    Why isn't it guilt by association? If the powers that be can spew deplorable nonsense and call themselves libertarian while doing it, causing people to be leery of us, then why can't they divide us from the anti-fascist police movement by trying to tie it to communism?

    Because.

    BLM tends to be racist against whites, they tend to want redistribution of wealth from whites, etc.. Some of them go so far as to want to exterminate the white race, but even the more commonly held beliefs are anti-white..

    Whereas Ron Paul is not racist, 90+% of his supporters were not racist, so it was actually a minority of people who they were using guilt by association whereas the majority of the leaders of the BLM movement are anti-white. I don't know the make-up of BLM supporters, but I'm guessing there is a significantly higher percentage of anti-white racists in the BLM than racist Ron Paul supporters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Because.

    BLM tends to be racist against whites, they tend to want redistribution of wealth from whites, etc.. Some of them go so far as to want to exterminate the white race, but even the more commonly held beliefs are anti-white..

    Whereas Ron Paul is not racist, 90+% of his supporters were not racist, so it was actually a minority of people who they were using guilt by association whereas the majority of the leaders of the BLM movement are anti-white. I don't know the make-up of BLM supporters, but I'm guessing there is a significantly higher percentage of anti-white racists in the BLM than racist Ron Paul supporters.
    Did it even stir those hairs on your scalp when the point flew over your head?

    If the powers that be can fill the internet with people who claim to be libertarian spewing stuff that isn't libertarian, if they can ignore the people who created the 'Tea Party' and tell the public it's something else so loudly and so often that the Tea Party actually turns into something else, why couldn't they fill a movement against militarized police full of communists and bigoted blacks and then give their own plants within that movement all the publicity?

    Do we know those people any better than they know libertarians? Or are we falling for the same fake news they fall for? Have you personally scratched below the surface of it?
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    And I will just add that the police bear a heavier burden because of the Titans. They have to show up and escort them to and from games, protect the players, direct traffic at games, and clean up their messes.

    They had to clean up the murder of Steve McNair.
    They had to go find Vince Young.
    They have to let them go when they drive drunk in downtown Nashville.
    They practically needed a whole precinct to babysit PacMan Jones when he was here.

    And they have to stand at attention in the 90+ degree heat while the teams sit in the air conditioned locker rooms to protest police brutality. Give me a break.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Did it even stir those hairs on your scalp when the point flew over your head?

    If the powers that be can fill the internet with people who claim to be libertarian spewing stuff that isn't libertarian, if they can ignore the people who created the 'Tea Party' and tell the public it's something else so loudly and so often that the Tea Party actually turns into something else, why couldn't they fill a movement against militarized police full of communists and bigoted blacks and then give their own plants within that movement all the publicity?

    Do we know those people any better than they know libertarians? Or are we falling for the same fake news they fall for? Have you personally scratched below the surface of it?
    What do you propose?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    What do you propose?
    I propose that the best way to convince these people all white people aren't the same is to help them fight federally militarized police. I propose that no one should pass up a chance to put a dent in the federal militarization of police because they might get close enough to some socialist in the process to explain to them why socialism leads to things like federally militarized police afterward. I propose Count had a point when he said the right place to be might be on the knee next to those protestors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    Wow... I can't believe how far from LIBERTY this forum has gone. I remember the good ol' days when people here used to quote Ron Paul and want to be like him. Now a good number of you want to start boot licking and feeling all good about waving a flag while bombing the $#@! out of anyone you think looks at you sideways. Why am I here again???
    Out of rep for you, but I was about to say the same thing. This thread just makes me sad. $#@! police at NFL games, I wish we could boycott paying the police at all.

    Anyone that wants to kneel or sit or pull down their pants and point their bare ass at any of the sacred symbols of the national religion, for any reason whatsoever, has my full blessing to do so.

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    The Olympic Channel is my favorite channel. It started right after the Rio Olympics and it was only online now it is on a television station. The station is on 24-7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Gold Standard View Post
    Out of rep for you, but I was about to say the same thing. This thread just makes me sad. $#@! police at NFL games, I wish we could boycott paying the police at all.

    Anyone that wants to kneel or sit or pull down their pants and point their bare ass at any of the sacred symbols of the national religion, for any reason whatsoever, has my full blessing to do so.
    Perhaps you have not been paying attention what is really going on recently in this country. Maybe you missed these posts below which summarize it well enough for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    It would be interesting to Jaywalk in the locker room to ask a bunch of these guys what they are protesting against.

    Whether they know it or not, they are protesting white people and what is left of a free market, constitutional form of government.
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    And there it is.

    Whether anybody wants to admit it or not, that's the bottom line.

    And the people they have aligned themselves with, at least some of the more outspoken ones, have stated, without ambiguity, that they want me, my family, my belief system and my history exterminated.

    I have no choice but to align and pick a side now.

    I hate having been forced into that position, but it is what it is.

    War is all hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Perhaps you have not been paying attention what is really going on recently in this country. Maybe you missed these posts below which summarize it well enough for me.
    Well of course it is. It's enough for anyone who would rather feel the Heel Of The Boot than suffer the work and inconvenience of making friends and influencing allies.
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    'An SEP is something we can't see, or don't see, or our brain doesn't let us see, because we think that it's somebody else's problem. That’s what SEP means. Somebody Else’s Problem. The brain just edits it out, it's like a blind spot.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    And I will just add that the police bear a heavier burden because of the Titans. They have to show up and escort them to and from games, protect the players, direct traffic at games, and clean up their messes.

    They had to clean up the murder of Steve McNair.
    They had to go find Vince Young.
    They have to let them go when they drive drunk in downtown Nashville.
    They practically needed a whole precinct to babysit PacMan Jones when he was here.

    And they have to stand at attention in the 90+ degree heat while the teams sit in the air conditioned locker rooms to protest police brutality. Give me a break.
    That's it, you've convinced me. I'm sending a generous donation when I get paid from tbe job I'm on .
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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Perhaps you have not been paying attention what is really going on recently in this country. Maybe you missed these posts below which summarize it well enough for me.
    Good for you. None of that is even true. There is nothing left of a free market or a constitutional form of government. And I doubt the vast majority of them want anything exterminated. Sure, they want more government favors and tyranny, but so do you.

    I'm on the side I've always been on, and that's mine against the rulers. The singular action of failing to show the proper reverence to our almighty's flag is one I wholeheartedly support. I also like them shining a light on police behavior, even if most white people are too stupid to understand what it means for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Well of course it is. It's enough for anyone who would rather feel the Heel Of The Boot than suffer the work and inconvenience of making friends and influencing allies.
    Exactly.

    And, what's going in this country has been going on for years- not just recently.

    AND- I'd plus rep you, if I could.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    One word? When it comes to defending Trump, you can write thousand word essays and stand on your head.

    Why isn't it guilt by association? If the powers that be can spew deplorable nonsense and call themselves libertarian while doing it, causing people to be leery of us, then why can't they divide us from the anti-fascist police movement by trying to tie it to communism?
    It seems to me most of the black groups support communism:

    NAACP

    "The NAACP has long advocated for a minimum living wage at least 30% above the Federal poverty
    level. At the State level, a minimum wage would significantly benefit lower income communities
    without corresponding negative impact on businesses as studies in Ohio and New Jersey have
    both demonstrated.
    • The NAACP continues to vigorously support the collective bargaining rights of workers and demands
    that this right be supported by the governors and legislatures of all States , . We ask that
    the State legislature support the wage equality and economically beneficial ability of workers, both
    public and private, to bargain collectively for their compensation.
    • State governments could fund and expand transit networks throughout the state that expand opportunity
    for workers to connect with employers. This includes rail, bus, and metro services that
    can be created or expanded in areas where they already exist. California has embarked on a visionary
    new goal to link all major cities via a rail infrastructure that will create a single labor market,
    much like the tri-state area around New York. These transportation networks are critical to providing
    access to jobs for many who otherwise could not access them , . Transportation projects are
    also critical sources of jobs and the NAACP has consistently supported the diversity in hiring and
    procurement for transportation projects .
    • The NAACP supports the promise of progressive taxation, where those who are the most able bear
    the greater burden for the society they benefit from. Progressive taxes, like income and property
    taxes, provide more opportunity for low income families to begin to accumulate wealth. Regressive
    taxation such as sales tax, fees, and fines chip away at the meager earnings of low to moderate
    income families and make it even harder for them to save for housing, education, or medical
    expenses. The NAACP asks that state legislatures resist the imposition of burdensome regressive
    taxation and focus revenue generation on progressive solutions instead."

    http://www.naacp.org/wp-content/uplo...egislation.pdf


    Black Lives Matter

    "Progressive taxes on income to raise revenue more equitably: ◦Raise marginal tax rates for high earners, specifically the top percentile ( the top 1% have seen their effective tax rate reduced to around 20 percent, down from 90 percent in the 1960s). Begin by raising the top marginal rate first to 50 percent and then gradually up to 80 percent.
    ◦Remove income caps on payroll taxes that fund social security and unemployment insurance.
    ◦Raise corporate income taxes, especially on large corporations and end tax deferral for foreign income of multinational corporations."


    "Through a participatory process guided by the principle of racial and economic equity – create a federal working group or commission to propose a full scale overhaul on tax policy that increases racial and economic equity.
    ◾Develop and pass omnibus tax reform legislation in accordance with racial equity goals.
    ◾Expand progressivity of federal income taxes by creating more tax brackets and substantially increasing the marginal tax rate, thus producing a wider spread in rates between the lowest and highest brackets.
    ◾Eliminate all corporate loopholes and raise corporate income tax rates on large corporations
    ◾Create a wealth tax, eliminate capital gains tax breaks, and raise a tax on financial transactions.
    ◾Shift tax expenditures to help build the wealth of households of color."

    "We seek complete open access for all to free public university, college and technical education programs (including technology, trade and agricultural) as well as full-funding for lifelong learning programs that support communities and families. We also seek the forgiveness of all federal student loans. Policies shall apply to all and should focus on outreach to communities historically denied access to education including undocumented, incarcerated and formerly incarcerated people."

    "A Universal Basic Income (UBI) provides an unconditional and guaranteed livable income that would meet basic human needs while providing a floor of economic security. UBI would eliminate absolute poverty, ensuring economic security for all by mandating an income floor covering basic needs. Unlike most social welfare and social insurance programs, it is not means tested nor does it have any work requirements. All individual adults are eligible.
    ◾No other social or economic policy solution today would be of sufficient scale to eradicate the profound and systemic economic inequities afflicting Black communities.
    ◾As patterns and norms of “work” change rapidly and significantly in the decades to come — no matter how profound those changes are — it is likely that Black America and other populations that are already disadvantaged will bear the brunt of whatever economic insecurity and volatility results.

    "◾A pro-rated additional amount included in a UBI for Black Americans over a specified period of time."




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    This thread is quite revealing.

    If you believe in the same Marxism I do then you're good; if you believe in the same Marxism they do, then you're bad.

    Go figure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Well of course it is. It's enough for anyone who would rather feel the Heel Of The Boot than suffer the work and inconvenience of making friends and influencing allies.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Gold Standard View Post
    Good for you. None of that is even true. There is nothing left of a free market or a constitutional form of government. And I doubt the vast majority of them want anything exterminated. Sure, they want more government favors and tyranny, but so do you.

    I'm on the side I've always been on, and that's mine against the rulers. The singular action of failing to show the proper reverence to our almighty's flag is one I wholeheartedly support. I also like them shining a light on police behavior, even if most white people are too stupid to understand what it means for them.
    You are naive if you think they are simply "shining a light on police behavior". This is the problem with some Libertarians, they align themselves with people that have utter disdain for their values for falsely perceived common ground. These protesters would gladly replace the American flag with a black nationalist flag and anthem while demanding you pay them reparations. Meanwhile while your business is getting robbed by their friends they will demand your incarceration for defending yourself. They in turn will support using force by their armed gangs or by the very people they are protesting against. Oh forget about defending yourself from those armed gangs since these same people will demand you register and turn over your guns. Again by force using the same people they are supposedly protesting against.

    I never looked at the flag as something to worship but rather the values and blood sacrifice for those values that it represents. I believe the symbol has been adequately used to join tribal factions in the US and therefore keep the piece due to the majority belief in these shared values. When a significant percentage of the population loses sight of those shared values we will then be headed towards tribalism and ethnic strife something like we have seen in the Balkans. It won't be pretty and you can forget about rationally debating libertarian values or any form of rule of law even if it is privatized. Since they have already proven facts do not matter to them. It is whatever the knee jerk feeling the tribe has at the time and a belief system that is the antithesis to your Libertarian mindset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    This thread is quite revealing.

    If you believe in the same Marxism I do then you're good; if you believe in the same Marxism they do, then you're bad.

    Go figure.
    What are the two types of Marxism you are talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    You are naive if you think they are simply "shining a light on police behavior". This is the problem with some Libertarians, they align themselves with people that have utter disdain for their values for falsely perceived common ground. These protesters would gladly replace the American flag with a black nationalist flag and anthem while demanding you pay them reparations. Meanwhile while your business is getting robbed by their friends they will demand your incarceration for defending yourself. They in turn will support using force by their armed gangs or by the very people they are protesting against. Oh forget about defending yourself from those armed gangs since these same people will demand you register and turn over your guns. Again by force using the same people they are supposedly protesting against.

    I never looked at the flag as something to worship but rather the values and blood sacrifice for those values that it represents. I believe the symbol has been adequately used to join tribal factions in the US and therefore keep the piece due to the majority belief in these shared values. When a significant percentage of the population loses sight of those shared values we will then be headed towards tribalism and ethnic strife something like we have seen in the Balkans. It won't be pretty and you can forget about rationally debating libertarian values or any form of rule of law even if it is privatized. Since they have already proven facts do not matter to them. It is whatever the knee jerk feeling the tribe has at the time and a belief system that is the antithesis to your Libertarian mindset.
    You also have utter disdain for my values, so you have that in common with them. As though your armed gangs and flag are any better than theirs.

    And I realize that they aren't "shining a light on police behavior" to people like you. Instead of seeing what is really happening, police killing indiscriminately, almost never held to account, all you see is what you think the blacks want to happen.

    Well, save that $#@! for someone else. It's much easier to try to attack what you think might happen instead of acknowledging what really is happening with your blessing, blood on your hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Isn't that the 'Ron Paul is a racist because some people who support him are racists' logic?
    No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    No disagreement here. It's not good business to include partisan politics. But the anthem is a tradition at sporting events. It is non-partisan.
    I would argue:

    1. The anthem is extremely partisan; it is the epitome of 'bringing politics into the equation'.
    2. It is not tradition for players to participate in the anthem.


    1. The anthem is extremely partisan; it is the epitome of 'bringing politics into the equation':

    Since the mid-1990's we have taken my Dad every year without exception to see professional baseball on Father's Day. Once the U.S. invaded Iraq I could no longer stomach the anthem. And every year since I have excused myself and gone to the bathroom during the anthem and any other patriotic bull$#@! they force on the fans. I find it heartening to see players and staff stand up to the Orange Clown and everyone else who became so incensed when ‘taking a knee’ began. The US flag does not represent freedom or bravery. Instead it is a symbol of a bellicose and murderous nation so impressed with itself that it claims to be ‘fighting the good fight’ while raining death and destruction around the world. The players are protesting police brutality against blacks. Perhaps if stupid boot licking white people came out in force against police brutality, we could have a united front against it. All you need to do is watch videos of the alt-right in Charlottesville VA. chanting "Blue Lives Matter. Blue Lives matter. Blue Lives matter." as cops marched past them as they were walking to the park that morning. I'm disgusted that white people worship cops. And I'm happy to see that, at least, one group of people in this country have said "Enough!" to this endless police brutality. Their protests have increased body cameras and have started necessary conversations about this issue which would never have occurred with white people. And for that I am thankful. They may believe in other things as well; but the police in this country know the source of their protests relate to them and so they have been put on notice. For that, small an achievement as it is, I am grateful.


    2. It is not tradition for players to participate in the anthem:

    Here are excerpts from Ron Paul's video that validate this; this video is currently on the Ron Paul Institute's website:

    Ron Paul: Minute 5:40

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eF9j-U4aBM&t=5m40s

    The attitude has changed several years back. […] There is something about military being always at the football game. And a flag as big as the football field. I understand that it hasn’t been forever that they played the national anthem at football games. It sort of came along when they have to build up this super strong support for military to justify the wars they are doing. That’s what they are subtlety doing. If you can praise the military and thank you for their service, they never ask you ‘what was your service’? Oh I went over and killed a bunch of people. I bombed somebody over there even though they didn’t do us any harm. They never raise that question. I didn’t like what the NFL was doing with their allegiance to the patriotism.
    Daniel McAdams: Minute: 7:46

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eF9j-U4aBM&t=7m46s

    Daniel McAdams: Prior to 2009 it was very uncommon for players to be out on the field during the national anthem. They were in their locker rooms. But the military saw this as an opportunity to bring these guys out on the field and really have a display. […] The military branches spent $53 million dollars on pro-sports marketing just between 2012 and 2015. On NASCAR they spent upwards of $100 million dollars including $88 million dollars just on Dell Earnhardt Junior’s car. $88 million dollars to propagandize, to militarize, professional sports. Ron Paul: And that comes much closer to crony capitalism and fascism when you see that connection, but it’s also propaganda. I think it’s war propaganda.
    Ron Paul: Minute 15:00

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eF9j-U4aBM&t=15m0s

    Ron Paul: I think the point has been made that there was a time when the ball players didn’t attend the national anthem. They stayed in the locker room. They didn’t come out until afterwards. Daniel McAdams: It’s relatively new. This whole issue, and it’s because of the DOD money.

    And so, if i have to pick a side, I side with those taking a knee. I don't agree with everything they believe in, however, I am grateful that at least someone in this country has the guts to stand up to police violence and forced patriotism at these sports games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Gold Standard View Post
    And I realize that they aren't "shining a light on police behavior" to people like you. Instead of seeing what is really happening, police killing indiscriminately, almost never held to account, all you see is what you think the blacks want to happen.
    It's pretty well documented what most black protestors want.

    Personally I don't like the whole "standing for the flag" thing, but it doesn't annoy me like the protests because nobody talks about it, it doesn't interfere with the game. Plus what the flag symbolizes is subjective. Maybe to you it represents war but to some it represents liberty or some other things. And people standing for the flag aren't demanding things in any obvious way. The protestors are demanding a "cure" and it's worse than the "disease".

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Gold Standard View Post
    You also have utter disdain for my values, so you have that in common with them. As though your armed gangs and flag are any better than theirs.

    And I realize that they aren't "shining a light on police behavior" to people like you. Instead of seeing what is really happening, police killing indiscriminately, almost never held to account, all you see is what you think the blacks want to happen.

    Well, save that $#@! for someone else. It's much easier to try to attack what you think might happen instead of acknowledging what really is happening with your blessing, blood on your hands.
    These multi-millionaire players are actually enabling police abuse by pissing off the majority of people in this country that were waking up to it and it is truly amazing you are too blind to see that.

    With the money they have, a single player or group of players could have brought air time, organized protests, promoted policy on a website, etc. There is so much they could have done to rally people to a just cause of exposing and reducing police abuse rather than making it all about race, a Socialist platform, anti-white and what is perceived as hatred for the core values the nation was founded upon. Issues forcing people unwillingly to line up opposing them or turn their back on them.

    As for my disdain that is all in your head. I have posted instances of police abuse frequently over the years here and participated in the discussions. I am not opposed to privatization and promoted it here in the past but honestly in this imperfect world I doubt it would reduce police abuse entirely. Maybe some areas could effectively eradicate it but due to the nature of people I am sure some would support a service provider with that as a feature. Privatization is not going to happen anytime soon but if you and these groups really wanted to stop police abuse the focus would be in police - citizen engagement policies. Instead of focusing on all these other issues that have nothing to do with police abuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charrob View Post
    And so, if i have to pick a side, I side with those taking a knee. I don't agree with everything they believe in, however, I am grateful that at least someone in this country has the guts to stand up to police violence and forced patriotism at these sports games.
    Would you at least agree that the groups normally associated with the protestors (Black Lives Matter, NAACP) will make things much worse if their ideas are carried out (stronger discrimination laws, more progressive taxation, living wage, etc)?
    Last edited by Madison320; 09-26-2017 at 02:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Well of course it is. It's enough for anyone who would rather feel the Heel Of The Boot than suffer the work and inconvenience of making friends and influencing allies.
    Exactly. If I could +rep you I would but the system won't let me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    Wow... I can't believe how far from LIBERTY this forum has gone. I remember the good ol' days when people here used to quote Ron Paul and want to be like him. Now a good number of you want to start boot licking and feeling all good about waving a flag while bombing the $#@! out of anyone you think looks at you sideways. Why am I here again???
    I discovered long ago this forum is less about restoring rights and more about bitching about how pathetic their lives are and blaming everyone but themselves for the predicament they are in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Would you at least agree that the groups normally associated with the protestors (Black Lives Matter, NAACP) will make things much worse if their ideas are carried out?

    I don't agree with everything the Democracy Now news hour suggests in their daily programming. However they have had the leaders of Black Lives Matter on their show several times in which these leaders stated that when they say "Black Lives Matter" in regards to police brutality, what they are really saying is "Black Lives Matter too". From their standpoint and view of the criminal justice system, they feel blacks are battered, targeted, and killed by out of control cops and that white people don't care (and side with the cops) because of the color of their skin. They said they believe all lives matter, but that black lives matter too, when it comes to out of control cops.

    I find the silence of boot-licking whites to be more of a threat than any social justice claims those taking the knee allude to. Everyone knows this movement started and continues mainly because of police brutality. People are still currently protesting in St. Louis Missouri not "for social justice" but because yet another cop got off the hook for murdering a black man that was no threat to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charrob View Post
    I don't agree with everything the Democracy Now news hour suggests in their daily programming. However they have had the leaders of Black Lives Matter on their show several times in which these leaders stated that when they say "Black Lives Matter" in regards to police brutality, what they are really saying is "Black Lives Matter too". From their standpoint and view of the criminal justice system, they feel blacks are battered, targeted, and killed by out of control cops and that white people don't care because of the color of their skin. They said they believe all lives matter, but that black lives matter too, when it comes to out of control cops.

    I find the silence of boot-licking whites to be more of a threat than any social justice claims those taking the knee allude to. Everyone knows this movement started and continues mainly because of police brutality. People are still currently protesting in St. Louis Missouri not "for social justice" but because yet another cop got off the hook for murdering a black man that was no threat to him.
    I'm sorry I added an important part to my question after you replied. The part I added is what I have a really big problem with. Not police brutality. Would you at least agree that the groups normally associated with the protestors (Black Lives Matter, NAACP) will make things much worse if their ideas are carried out (stronger discrimination laws, more progressive taxation, living wage, etc)?

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    the biggest problem I have is this is rooted in racism.

    We all should be fearful of police - this article explains it best: https://mises.org/blog/why-police-ca...ect-our-rights

    but NFL players are looking at this issue only through the lenses of racism. They ignore that this is a much broader issue and by doing so, they divide us, and weaken their message

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I'm sorry I added an important part to my question after you replied. The part I added is what I have a really big problem with. Not police brutality. Would you at least agree that the groups normally associated with the protestors (Black Lives Matter, NAACP) will make things much worse if their ideas are carried out (stronger discrimination laws, more progressive taxation, living wage, etc)?
    What part of, 'You can fight by their side on this one issue, and in the process explain to them how socialism will make that and other problems worse, hopefully planting some seeds in the minds of some individuals,' do you think is not tenable? If some of us use our freedom of speech to stand with them on an issue where we agree with them, is that going to make their entire agenda suddenly and irrevocably come into being? Really?

    WTF? Are we afraid to talk to people? Because if you stand with a person on an important issue, that person is liable to listen to you no matter how brainwashed he or she is to believe they shouldn't. Just the fact that you're by their sides is enough to convince people maybe their brainwashing isn't all that reliable.

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    the biggest problem I have is this is rooted in racism.

    We all should be fearful of police - this article explains it best: https://mises.org/blog/why-police-ca...ect-our-rights

    but NFL players are looking at this issue only through the lenses of racism. They ignore that this is a much broader issue and by doing so, they divide us, and weaken their message
    And by responding to it with more racism, we strengthen the hand of our most dangerous enemies (our only real enemies, despite the rather archaic opinions of some here who think otherwise) and divide the people against ourselves to the benefit of the tyrant class.

    How obvious does this have to be before people can see it?

    I will stand with these people and to hell with the lot of you. You may like being divided and conquered, but I do not. The snake on the Gadsden Flag doesn't have its tongue out so it can lick the boot that treads on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I'm sorry I added an important part to my question after you replied. The part I added is what I have a really big problem with. Not police brutality. Would you at least agree that the groups normally associated with the protestors (Black Lives Matter, NAACP) will make things much worse if their ideas are carried out (stronger discrimination laws, more progressive taxation, living wage, etc)?
    I'm sorry my answer is the same. I find the silence of boot-licking whites to be more of a threat than any social justice claims those taking the knee allude to. Everyone knows this movement started and continues mainly because of police brutality. People are still currently protesting in St. Louis Missouri not "for social justice" but because yet another cop got off the hook for murdering a black man that was no threat to him.

    For me, the much greater threat is the boot of government. Change to our tax laws, living wage, etc., would take years to wind itself through our congress. The more immediate threat (at over 1000 lives lost every year from cops in this country and many more maimed for the rest of their lives) imho is the boot of government and the incredible violence cops have perpetrated on the American people.

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