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    Quote Originally Posted by FSP-Rebel View Post
    Russia Today has a football team?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Russia Today has a football team?
    Wow, that's where your mind is at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Russia Today has a football team?
    I think it means right tackle ��
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Running QBs aren't as valuable. I haven't watched an NFL game since high school. I know almost nothing about football. But I have read most of the stuff out there on sports betting as stats that create wins for teams.

    The reason teams pass much more now than in the past is because it is mathematically optimal to pass more. The only reason teams don't pass every down (other than when they need a small gain) is for game theory purposes. You need to run some to keep the defense on their toes for when you do pass. It is the same reason you have bluff sometimes in poker.

    Running quarterbacks are like point guards who shoot a lot like Allen Iverson. They are fun to watch and very overrated. They don't win.
    Also running qbs piss off your wide receivers. You bust your ass trying to get open and then you find out it was all for nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I think it means right tackle ��
    It means retweet, and the tweet speaks for itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSP-Rebel View Post
    http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2017/09/25/t...tional-anthem/

    A story from 2016 has suddenly popped up again, claiming Jones told his Dallas Cowboys players that they would be fired if they didn’t stand for the National Anthem. The truth is, Jones never made that statement about his players or the song. Many reports say the story was made up by a man named Richie Newberry, who started spreading the lie on Facebook.
    “I just feel so strongly that the act of recognizing the flag is a salute to our country and all of the people that have sacrificed so that we can have the liberties we have,” Jones said. “I feel very strongly that everyone should save that moment for the recognition of the flag in a positive way, so I like the way the Cowboys do it.”

    In 2016, after Colin Kaepernick and others protested the anthem by taking a knee, Jones voiced his displeasure with the protests.

    “The forum of the NFL and the forum on television is a very significant thing,” said Jones. “I’m for it being used, in every way we can, to support the great contributors in our society – that is people that have supported America, and the flag. For anybody to use parts of that visibility to do otherwise is really disappointing. We strongly support the flag in every way — and the people that for generations have given it all up so that we can get out here.”
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    Alejandro Villanueva apologizes for throwing Steeler teammates ‘under the bus’
    http://fox2now.com/2017/09/25/alejan...under-the-bus/
    Alejandro Villanueva, a Steelers lineman and U.S. Army veteran, was pictured standing alone before Sunday’s game during the national anthem while the rest of the team refused to take the field in protest. His stand has made his jersey one of the top sellers in the NFL.

    “Unfortunately I threw my teammates under the bus, unintentionally,” Villanueva said in a press conference Monday. “Every single time I see that picture of me standing by myself I feel embarrassed.”
    What a jackass. Now the mad rush to cancel the swag from all those that supported his earlier stance.

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    Police around the country need to boycott the NFL. That would certainly be interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Alejandro Villanueva apologizes for throwing Steeler teammates ‘under the bus’
    http://fox2now.com/2017/09/25/alejan...under-the-bus/


    What a jackass. Now the mad rush to cancel the swag from all those that supported his earlier stance.

    Good news:

    Now Zippy can buy one of his jerseys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Alejandro Villanueva apologizes for throwing Steeler teammates ‘under the bus’
    http://fox2now.com/2017/09/25/alejan...under-the-bus/


    What a jackass. Now the mad rush to cancel the swag from all those that supported his earlier stance.

    There is nothing worse than a waffling turncoat.

    You either think that the ideals of the country are worth respecting or you think the country is fundamentally corrupt and should be insulted, pick a side and stay on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    Police around the country need to boycott the NFL. That would certainly be interesting.
    Wow... I can't believe how far from LIBERTY this forum has gone. I remember the good ol' days when people here used to quote Ron Paul and want to be like him. Now a good number of you want to start boot licking and feeling all good about waving a flag while bombing the $#@! out of anyone you think looks at you sideways. Why am I here again???
    BEWARE THE CULT OF "GOVERNMENT"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    Wow... I can't believe how far from LIBERTY this forum has gone. I remember the good ol' days when people here used to quote Ron Paul and want to be like him. Now a good number of you want to start boot licking and feeling all good about waving a flag while bombing the $#@! out of anyone you think looks at you sideways. Why am I here again???
    It is possible to oppose the wars and the rabid cops and love what the flag and country are supposed to represent.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    Wow... I can't believe how far from LIBERTY this forum has gone. I remember the good ol' days when people here used to quote Ron Paul and want to be like him. Now a good number of you want to start boot licking and feeling all good about waving a flag while bombing the $#@! out of anyone you think looks at you sideways. Why am I here again???
    Interesting times, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It should be up to the NFL to decide if it is a problem and what to do about protests. The government should not be telling a business what to do and who to fire. There is also the question of free speech.
    So I can assume you are also against discrimination laws?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It is possible to oppose the wars and the rabid cops and love what the flag and country are supposed to represent.
    Love the flag and country all you want but don't try to force others to behave in some "prescribed" way...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    Love the flag and country all you want but don't try to force others to behave in some "prescribed" way...
    It is perfectly within the bounds of liberty to boycott those who engage in offensive behavior, the government should not get involved but Trump's statements are not official action.
    Last edited by Swordsmyth; 09-25-2017 at 09:36 PM.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    Wow... I can't believe how far from LIBERTY this forum has gone. I remember the good ol' days when people here used to quote Ron Paul and want to be like him. Now a good number of you want to start boot licking and feeling all good about waving a flag while bombing the $#@! out of anyone you think looks at you sideways. Why am I here again???
    The reactionaries infiltrated and got the narrative pointed towards fulfilling the Jehu/Trump anti-antifa/BLM paradigm "as" the new definition of "fighting for liberty". The over-arching goal of implementing actual goals associated with real liberty and the Ron Paul ideal were considered idealistic and non-pragmatic goals of closet egalitarians posing as conservatives.

    You are still here because as a Christian Ron Paul supporter you have remarkable resilence and patience with systemic dumb-$#@!ery.
    What now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    Wow... I can't believe how far from LIBERTY this forum has gone. I remember the good ol' days when people here used to quote Ron Paul and want to be like him. Now a good number of you want to start boot licking and feeling all good about waving a flag while bombing the $#@! out of anyone you think looks at you sideways. Why am I here again???
    Remember back in 2008 when the powers that be desperately set out to subvert this movement, split off the outliers with some Republican libertarian-lite thing, and herd us like sheep back into their divide and conquer game?

    Well, it seems to be working.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It is possible to oppose the wars and the rabid cops and love what the flag and country are supposed to represent.
    So how do you get people's attention? How do you alert rank and file, red meat Republicans to the fact that they really don't want the fascism they think they want? How do you make the Democrats who associate the real fascists' socialism with the only hope they thought they had that blacks could be seen as human individuals, and not automatically shot like hood rats without a second thought, see that the MSM is herding them into the enemy camp and that we want them to have their God-given individual rights to life and liberty even if some people infiltrating our camp do call them animals (and worse)?

    Should we encourage teams to do a second anthem? Should we raise the Bennington flag (my avatar) and sing God Bless America? What?

    Because at the end of the day, these players are doing the right thing, even if they can't exactly give an articulate explanation of what they're protesting (and if they do, it winds up on the MSM's proverbial cutting room floor). So, how do you propose to turn this attention into something educational and positive?
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Remember back in 2008 when the powers that be desperately set out to subvert this movement, split off the outliers with some Republican libertarian-lite thing, and herd us like sheep back into their divide and conquer game?

    Well, it seems to be working.



    So how do you get people's attention? How do you alert rank and file, red meat Republicans to the fact that they really don't want the fascism they think they want? How do you make the Democrats who associate the real fascists' socialism with the only hope they thought they had that blacks could be seen as human individuals, and not automatically shot like hood rats without a second thought, see that the MSM is herding them into the enemy camp and that we want them to have their God-given individual rights to life and liberty even if some people infiltrating our camp do call them animals (and worse)?

    Should we encourage teams to do a second anthem? Should we raise the Bennington flag (my avatar) and sing God Bless America? What?

    Because at the end of the day, these players are doing the right thing, even if they can't exactly give an articulate explanation of what they're protesting (and if they do, it winds up on the MSM's proverbial cutting room floor). So, how do you propose to turn this attention into something educational and positive?
    We need to start our own movement to change the state and local laws that give the cops a get out of jail free card and to end the wars and bring the boys back home, then invite them into it, we can call it "Make America Good".

    We need to show everyone that you can oppose the current state of the nation and still respect the ideals it should represent.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It should be up to the NFL to decide if it is a problem and what to do about protests. The government should not be telling a business what to do and who to fire. There is also the question of free speech.
    No, there is no question of free speech while you are in uniform and on the clock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We need to start our own movement to change the state and local laws that give the cops a get out of jail free card and to end the wars and bring the boys back home, then invite them into it, we can call it "Make America Good".

    We need to show everyone that you can oppose the current state of the nation and still respect the ideals it should represent.
    Sounds good. Now. How do we do this in spite of the fact that the MSM is shoving people into their controlled opposition boxes with all the fifty gazillion watts of 24/7 brainwashing at their disposal, and in the few places where people do come occasionally to view us like exhibits in a zoo, we've let a bunch of collectivist, racist trolls in to scare everyone off? Can we devise a plan to overcome these rather obvious handicaps?
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    One opinion on this nonsense...

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Sounds good. Now. How do we do this in spite of the fact that the MSM is shoving people into their controlled opposition boxes with all the fifty gazillion watts of 24/7 brainwashing at their disposal, and in the few places where people do come occasionally to view us like exhibits in a zoo, we've let a bunch of collectivist, racist trolls in to scare everyone off? Can we devise a plan to overcome these rather obvious handicaps?
    The John Birch Society is a good place to start, there is also Campaign for Liberty, or perhaps we could start something new on this site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We need to start our own movement to change the state and local laws that give the cops a get out of jail free card and to end the wars and bring the boys back home, then invite them into it, we can call it "Make America Good".

    We need to show everyone that you can oppose the current state of the nation and still respect the ideals it should represent.
    Yeah, ask AF about that type of effort. It will co-opted, perverted and twisted until they paint you as the exact opposite of what you are trying to do. And then the SPLC will put you on their hate map.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Yeah, ask AF about that type of effort. It will co-opted, perverted and twisted until they paint you as the exact opposite of what you are trying to do. And then the SPLC will put you on their hate map.
    All we can do is try, if we don't we will lose everything and have nothing to blame but ourselves, I will continue to try no matter what happens.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    No, there is no question of free speech while you are in uniform and on the clock.

    Wouldn't that depend on what their contract and rule book says? If their contract with the NFL only involves playing football and says nothing about participating in this patriotic bull$#@!, then that would mean their participation in the latter would be optional... as it should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charrob View Post
    Wouldn't that depend on what their contract and rule book says? If their contract with the NFL only involves playing football and says nothing about participating in this patriotic bull$#@!, then that would mean their participation in the latter would be optional... as it should be.
    Very few things required by employers are spelled out in contracts.
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