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    Default Donald Trump and the Depressing Politicization of Everything

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ything/540915/

    One reason the president cannot resist commenting on every issue in American life is that he seemingly cannot stand the actual work of American politics.

    In a flurry of comments historically unsuited to any head of state, yet hardly shocking for the current American president, Donald Trump this weekend targeted the two most popular sports in the country and elicited sharp criticism from some of their most important figures.

    On Friday, Trump encouraged franchise owners in the National Football League to fire players who protest during the national anthem. “Wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, ‘Get that son of a bitch off the field right now, out. He’s fired,’” the president said at an Alabama rally.

    Trump’s comment provoked Roger Goodell, the typically reticent commissioner of the NFL, to issue a strong statement condemning the president’s divisive language. The comment was particularly surprising, since most NFL owners who elect the league commissioner are staunch Republicans. Many of the most prominent owners donated to the Trump campaign.

    Trump was undeterred. On Saturday, he disinvited the NBA champion Golden State Warriors from the White House, in a tweet. This came after several players, including star guard Stephen Curry, suggested that they would skip the ceremonial visit.



    In response to Trump, LeBron James, the basketball superstar whose Cleveland Cavaliers are rivals of the Warriors, called the president a “bum” on Twitter. The basketball star also pointed out the fecklessness of revoking an invitation after the other party has already declined. (Trump’s you-can’t-fire-me-because-I-quit instinct here recalls his earlier announcement to dissolve several business advisory councils, only after one of them had already disbanded.)

    What is the meaning of these seemingly frivolous skirmishes with athletes and sports leagues? His true motivations aren’t clear, but his behavior does fit a pattern.

    As Adam Serwer wrote here, there is a clear racial element to Trump’s pronouncements. When the NFL star Tom Brady, a white player, skipped his championship team’s White House visit, the president was silent. (Brady has described Trump as a “good friend,” and at one point displayed a “Make America Great Again” hat in his locker.) When Warriors star Stephen Curry, a black man, announced his intention to do the same, the president called him out on Twitter and rescinded the team’s invitation. In calling for NFL owners to fire protesting players, the president encourages an overwhelmingly white ownership group to disemploy members of overwhelmingly black NFL players union. As Serwer wrote, Trump’s instant criticism of Curry and black NFL players stands in stark contrast to his infamous hesitation to condemn white supremacists and neo-Nazis.

    Another reason that the president cannot resist commenting on every non-political issue in American life is that he seemingly cannot stand the actual work of American governance—a preference made salient at a moment when lawmakers are busy trying to repeal the signature legislative achievement of Trump’s predecessor. Several Republican lawmakers said the president never mastered the details of health care policy. The president’s recent NFL commentary suggests that national anthem protests, on the other hand, are a debate he can engage with.

    As a candidate, Trump promised to take a firm leadership role in changing American health care, tax policy, infrastructure spending, drug abuse, and regional inequality. But as president, Trump has given no national address endorsing a specific health care plan. He has given no national address endorsing a specific tax reform plan. His administration has no clear plan to begin rebuilding American infrastructure, no real urgency to address the opioid crisis, and no outline to confront the economic issues that supposedly buffeted his candidacy, like regional inequality. Instead, the president has been more inclined to reserve the precious power of his bully pulpit to target his nemeses, by name, as in the case of Colin Kaepernick and Stephen Curry.

    It has been said that the age of Trump is the politicization of everything. The claim is impossible to dispute, especially one week after an Emmy’s ceremony that felt like an extended presidential roast. But it’s important to note that Trump is choosing to politicize sports and entertainment, not only because he is inclined toward controversy, but also because he is so demonstrably uninterested in actual policy and the political process.

    Nobody is forcing the president to morph into a sports radio commentator. It is merely the role that best suits the skills that come most naturally to the former game-show host. Consider the simple, uncontroversial fact that in his ninth month in office, the U.S. president has a clearer position on Stephen Curry’s White House clearance than on any single detail of health care or tax reform. Trump is so bored by the quotidian demands of his surprisingly “complicated” job, which requires guiding policy through a complex political process, that he uses his position to instead harass Americans on the internet. Judging by the attention his sports commentary received this weekend, one can assume that Trump’s shock-jock-in-chief routine will be a long-running show.
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    The left made everything political since the 60's, if they get some push back it serves them right.
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    Yeah, I agree. I'm getting burned out about everything being politicized from BOTH sides. Especially when its really not an issue that needs to be politicized. I hear it a work constantly where the discussion takes a hyperbolic trajectory in politics over a trivial matter where politics should be set aside.
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    Most of the OP is in bold. I think somebody got carried away.
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    Brady did not publicly dump on Trump. He had a Trump hat in his locker and never said anything negative about Trump. Why would Trump call out Brady? Belichick wrote Trump a letter saying what a great guy Trump is and Kraft is buddies with Trump. Steph Curry has trashed Trump for over a year. It is disgraceful that this was turned into a racial issue in the article and weirdly the original posted bolded that part as if it is anything other than race baiting trash. Not mentioned in the article, Brady skipped going when Obama was President.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    hmmm...
    imo the 'article' is a lousy spin
    on a great topic.
    Yep. MAGA's a gimmick, and Trump's her Billy Mayes. He's just the second populist elected this century - nor the last, I'm sure.

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    wtf, President Trump didn't start the tradition of sports teams visiting the white house or standing for the national anthem. Either its tradition and not political in nature, then Currey can go even if he doesn't like Trump. Or its always been inherently political and President Trump is not responsible. And the kneeling during the Anthem started like 2 years ago during Obama. Trump expresses a mainstream opinion, and the loony left politicizes it to drive their agenda.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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    Trump is wrong about the obligation to stand for the national anthem, but completely correct about an owner's right to demand obedience of an employee.
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    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

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    As Adam Serwer wrote here, there is a clear racial element to Trump’s pronouncements.
    Just shut up.
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    Regardless of Trump's comments, there are so many black athletes that are still stuck on the plantation mentally. Lebron is the worst offender by actually campaigning for the witch. Some of their opinions are completely irrelevant as well as the devoted yesmen like Roger Goodell.
    Last edited by AuH20; 09-23-2017 at 06:53 PM.
    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

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    Isn't the politicization of everything really what the People asked for in the first place? To surrender their independence and liberty in at the front door of the jailers and take to their cells in the panopticon? This is Statism's only promise: you will be equal, you will be fed, you will be controlled. Who gives a $#@! about anything else, our freedom is just a license from the polis?

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    Last edited by EBounding; 09-24-2017 at 05:38 AM.

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    These miscreants can't help themselves. You're walked right into the snare.

    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

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    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

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    VERY TRUE ABOUT THE DUPLICITY WITH THE CONSTITUTION WHEN IT FITS YOUR NEEDS AT THE TIME!

    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

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    Do you need therapy, comrade?
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    They lost.
    They turned friends
    into enemies.
    Who became
    friends of our enemies.
    They stood alone, in splendid isolation,
    And said it was their only choice.

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    I hope we see team protests, so the bleeding continues. Let the bread and circuses go under.

    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

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    I see no problem with it. Trump represents white people. Colin and the NFL players, majority black, feel they represent black people, so they are protesting peacefully. and no, they are not "replaceable" as you may think. Clearly the guys on the roster are a step above the guys on the practice squad and the quality of the product would diminish if they were all fired and replaced. The owners know this, Trump doesnt.
    If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Regardless of Trump's comments, there are so many black athletes that are still stuck on the plantation mentally. Lebron is the worst offender by actually campaigning for the witch. Some of their opinions are completely irrelevant as well as the devoted yesmen like Roger Goodell.
    Because they are still on the plantation. During the NFL combine I wasn't watching TV, but had it on. The commentary was straight out of a slave market. Those young men were being treated like pieces of meat, and It made my stomach hurt. Professional sports is human trafficking.
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    And people act shocked that the NFL is a political mouthpiece for the state? It's all about the denaros. The NFL is essentially the entertainment arm of this unscrupulous empire.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/entertai...l-rich/418971/

    The league’s agreement with Chicago specified the city would pay for police overtime, firefighter and ambulance calls, and for any “weather mitigation” necessary, while “the NFL will retain all revenue from tickets and advertising” sold. Chicago gave the NFL the right to close streets in the Loop and along the lakefront, and to remove any signs the league did not like: Essentially Chicago suspended the First Amendment, so protesters couldn’t raise banners that mentioned domestic violence, tax subsidies, or brain harm. As if the House of Romanov were touring to review the peasants, the NFL demanded free stopped-traffic police escorts “in and around the city” for “certain NFL dignitaries.” Certain NFL dignitaries.
    The league’s primary subsidies flow to construction and operation of stadia. All are at least partially publicly funded: some, entirely so. Judith Grant Long, a professor of sports management at the University of Michigan, estimates that taxpayers provide about 70 percent of the cost of building and operating the fields where NFL teams play. Yet the NFL’s owners keep more than 90 percent of revenue generated at their subsidized facilities, while AT&T, CBS, Comcast/NBC, Disney/ESPN, Fox, Verizon, and Yahoo profit through transmission of the copyrighted NFL images produced in publicly subsidized stadia.

    The NFL is on the dole in numerous other respects. Most of the league’s facilities either pay no property taxes (such as Texas’s AT&T Stadium, where the Cowboys perform) or are taxed at a far lower rate than comparable local businesses (such as New Jersey’s MetLife Stadium, where the Giants and Jets cavort). Stadium construction deals often involve significant gifts of land from the public for NFL use (such as Levi’s Stadium in Santa Clara, California, where the “San Francisco” 49ers play).

    Hidden costs may include city or county government paying electricity, water, and sewer charges for a stadium (such as First Energy Stadium in Cleveland, where the Browns perform), the city paying for a new electronic scoreboard out of “emergency” funds (ditto First Energy) or the issuance of tax-free bonds that divert investors’ money away from school, road, and mass-transit infrastructure (Hamilton County, Ohio, issued tax-free bonds to fund the stadium where the Cincinnati Bengals play, and has chronic deficits for school and infrastructure needs as a result).
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    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

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    Games will MAGA if the best players walk out.
    They fought the Wars
    They lost.
    They turned friends
    into enemies.
    Who became
    friends of our enemies.
    They stood alone, in splendid isolation,
    And said it was their only choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Games will MAGA if the best players walk out.
    Most of the best players have haughty lifestyles leveraged to the hilt. Plus, their main production years are limited in the professional football environment. Practically speaking, they can't go anywhere. No one is taking a 75% paycut to migrate to the CFL.
    Last edited by AuH20; 09-24-2017 at 07:59 AM.
    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    If the NFL and the government want to be more popular, they should both do the exact same thing--stop filling up the rulebook with silly rules and then applying those rules selectively in order to give their favorites an advantage.

    Yeah, people want their team to win. But when it doesn't, it pains them a lot less if the other team actually was the better team, and pains them a lot more when their team was held to a different standard than the other team. And the NFL does that all the time. If people who are fans of small market teams are constantly sent the message that their team has to be twice as good as a large market team, and beat the officials as well as the other team, they give up and stop being emotionally invested in the game out of self defense. And when small business is never given a chance to compete with big business, innovation is severely retarded and the economy suffers as a direct result.

    If it makes no sense to enforce it 100% of the time, it's a bad rule, it's a bad law, and it shouldn't even be in the rulebook. That has a much, much bigger effect on participation and interest than a thousand silly 'protests'--or anything else that happens during the National Anthem.
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    The Neuropsychiatric Bases for Trump Hatred Explained Clinically






    Mel Brooks Attacks Political Correctness, Claims it is Anathema to Comedy (aka 'Blazing Saddles' couldn't be made today)

    Last edited by goldenequity; 09-24-2017 at 08:10 AM.

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    I love these tweets of superiority by the libs. Suddenly, out of the blue, Trump the barbarian is trampling on the Constitution after 100 years of deliberate destruction.

    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    If the NFL and the government want to be more popular, they should both do the exact same thing--stop filling up the rulebook with silly rules and then applying those rules selectively in order to give their favorites an advantage.

    Yeah, people want their team to win. But when it doesn't, it pains them a lot less if the other team actually was the better team, and pains them a lot more when their team was held to a different standard than the other team. And the NFL does that all the time. If people who are fans of small market teams are constantly sent the message that their team has to be twice as good as a large market team, and beat the officials as well as the other team, they give up and stop being emotionally invested in the game out of self defense. And when small business is never given a chance to compete with big business, innovation is severely retarded and the economy suffers as a direct result.

    If it makes no sense to enforce it 100% of the time, it's a bad rule, it's a bad law, and it shouldn't even be in the rulebook. That has a much, much bigger effect on participation and interest than a thousand silly 'protests'--or anything else that happens during the National Anthem.
    As a long time Chiefs fan, I complete agree with this post. They had to beat the Patriot's players, their cheating coach and the refs in order to win that opener. The down side is that the rush you get from it keeps you coming back even though you know the league is working against you.

    I imagine it must be the closest feeling to being in an abusive relationship for a single person
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    The Neuropsychiatric Bases for Trump Hatred Explained Clinically






    Mel Brooks Attacks Political Correctness, Claims it is Anathema to Comedy (aka 'Blazing Saddles' couldn't be made today)



    Heck, Space Balls couldn't be made today.
    They fought the Wars
    They lost.
    They turned friends
    into enemies.
    Who became
    friends of our enemies.
    They stood alone, in splendid isolation,
    And said it was their only choice.

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    Politics is the most divisive thing there can be. It's about power. A political government will not do the right thing. A political media will not do the right thing. Politics corrupts everything it touches. I like a good discussion on principle, but the political framework puts everything in a box.
    "There are two freedoms - the false, where a man is free to do what he likes; the true, where he is free to do what he ought."~~Charles Kingsley

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    VERY TRUE ABOUT THE DUPLICITY WITH THE CONSTITUTION WHEN IT FITS YOUR NEEDS AT THE TIME!

    The irony of this post is that the sort of people who are whining now also only bring up the constitution when it fit their needs. Everybody on TV who talks politics except for a few strict constitutionalists do this.

    And only the ignorant, morally retarded partisan hacks would disagree
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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