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    Pakistan refuses to be a "scapegoat" for Afghanistan's bloodshed or to fight wars for others, Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi told the United Nations on Thursday.
    Addressing the UN General Assembly, Abbasi did not explicitly criticize US President Donald Trump's new strategy on Afghanistan but made clear his displeasure with the renewed onus on Pakistan.
    "Having suffered and sacrificed so much due to our role in the global counter terrorism campaign, it is especially galling for Pakistan to be blamed for the military or political stalemate in Afghanistan," Abbasi said.
    "We are not prepared to be anyone's scapegoat," he said.
    "What Pakistan is not prepared to do is to fight the Afghan war on Pakistan's soil. Nor can we endorse any failed strategy that will prolong and intensify the suffering of the people of Afghanistan and Pakistan and other regional countries," he said.
    Abbasi said that 27,000 Pakistanis have been killed by extremists since the launch of the US war on terror after the September 11, 2001 attacks.
    He called for a priority on eliminating extremists, including from the Islamic State group and Al-Qaeda, in Afghanistan but ultimately a political solution with the Taliban.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/pakistan-...014406807.html



    Afghanistan calls Pakistan hub of terror in furious response at UN

    Exercising its right to reply Afghanistan on Friday accused Pakistan of diverting the attention of the international community from its "longstanding failure" to take effective action against various terrorist groups.
    It is evident that the propagation of terror activities in neighbouring Pakistan constitutes the main source of insecurity in the country and the region, Afghanistan said. Afghanistan's representative on the floor of the General Assembly said that one member state's claims regarding the presence of safe havens and sanctuaries in Afghanistan was erroneous.
    "Such a difference is a deliberate attempt by the government of Pakistan to divert international attention over Pakistan's longstanding failure to take effective action against various terrorist groups and sanctuaries on its territory," an Afghan diplomat representing the country said. "It remains evidently clear to the global community that the propagation of terrorist activities by state and non-state actors in neighbouring Pakistan constitutes the main source of insecurity in Afghanistan and the region," he said. Afghanistan has persistently and consistently sought to address this outstanding issue through various channels including bilateral and other mechanisms, he said. Nevertheless, efforts to this end have yielded no results whatsoever, he said. "At this juncture Pakistan has another opportunity to engage in a comprehensive dialogue to resolve outstanding issues that have prevented it from adopting a clear and decisive stance in combating terrorism and constructive approach for peace and security in Afghanistan and the wider region," he said.

    https://www.oneindia.com/internation...n-2548762.html





    India calls Pakistan ĎTerroristaní in UN speech row

    In his speech PM Shahid Khaqan Abbasi accused India of "war crimes" in the disputed Kashmir region and of "exporting terror" to Pakistan.
    India addresses the UN on Saturday, but used a right of reply to respond.

    Eenam Gambhir, India's first secretary to the UN, said it was "extraordinary that the state which protected Osama Bin Laden and sheltered Mullah Omar should have the gumption to play the victim".
    "Pakistan is now Terroristan with a flourishing industry producing and exporting global terrorism," the envoy said.
    She also accused Pakistan of "avaricious efforts to covet the territories of its neighbours".

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-41357142.Is
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    Pretty sad when Pakistan looks to Afghanistan and says were better than that.
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    Mattis: NATO Might Drop Ally Pakistan For "Connections With Terrorist Groups"

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-03/mattis-nato-might-drop-ally-pakistan-connections-terrorist-groups
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Mattis: NATO Might Drop Ally Pakistan For "Connections With Terrorist Groups"

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    Is USG gonna drop itself for connections with the same terrorist groups?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Mattis: NATO Might Drop Ally Pakistan For "Connections With Terrorist Groups"

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    And China will be happy to pick them up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    And China will be happy to pick them up.
    And they will be happy to cut off our logistics to Afghanistan and we will be forced to leave
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And they will be happy to cut off our logistics to Afghanistan and we will be forced to leave
    Yup
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    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Yup
    So the question is are Mattis and Trump so stupid that they can't see it coming? OR is this their plan to get us out of Afghanistan while pretending they tried to stay?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    So the question is are Mattis and Trump so stupid that they can't see it coming? OR is this their plan to get us out of Afghanistan while pretending they tried to stay?
    Nah, both sides are just playing to the camera.

    Trump needs to be perceived as having a new strategy and the Pakistani government needs to placate its anti-American constituents.

    The relationship won't change for the foreseeable future.
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    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre ó the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

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    BBC reported that fake photo was used by the Pakistanian rep at UN, did any US media report this?




    Kashmir fake photo: Fallout from the UN speech by Pakistan's Maleeha Lodhi

    By Geeta Pandey in Delhi, and Tahir Imran in Islamabad BBC News

    • 30 September 2017




    When Pakistan's permanent representative to the United Nations, Maleeha Lodhi, held up a photograph of a scarred girl at the United Nations last weekend, she said she was offering proof of "Indian brutality" in Kashmir.
    But the photo turned out to be that of a 17-year-old Palestinian girl, taken in Gaza in 2014 by award-winning photographer Heidi Levine. The teenager had been injured by shrapnel in an Israeli attack.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41427929







    When will UN start clamping down on use of fake materials at esteemed UN gatherings?
    This has got to stop. Hard to imagine it was just this once or Powell Iraq WMD presentation, probably lot of fakery goes on at UN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    BBC reported that fake photo was used by the Pakistanian rep at UN, did any US media report this?




    Kashmir fake photo: Fallout from the UN speech by Pakistan's Maleeha Lodhi

    By Geeta Pandey in Delhi, and Tahir Imran in Islamabad BBC News

    • 30 September 2017




    When Pakistan's permanent representative to the United Nations, Maleeha Lodhi, held up a photograph of a scarred girl at the United Nations last weekend, she said she was offering proof of "Indian brutality" in Kashmir.
    But the photo turned out to be that of a 17-year-old Palestinian girl, taken in Gaza in 2014 by award-winning photographer Heidi Levine. The teenager had been injured by shrapnel in an Israeli attack.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41427929







    When will UN start clamping down on use of fake materials at esteemed UN gatherings?
    This has got to stop. Hard to imagine it was just this once or Powell Iraq WMD presentation, probably lot of fakery goes on at UN.
    The question is "WHAT ISN'T FAKE AT THE UN?"
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