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    The first panel included Andrew Smith of the University of New Hampshire, Kimball Brace of Election Data Services Inc., and John Lott. They testified about historical election turnout statistics and the effects of election integrity issues on voter confidence.
    Lott also testified that his statistical analyses show that contrary to the narrative myth pushed by some, voter ID does not depress voter turnout. In fact, there is some evidence that it may increase turnout because it increases public confidence in elections.
    In a second panel, Donald Palmer, the former chief election official in two states—Florida and Virginia—testified about the problems that exist in state voter registration systems.
    He made a series of recommendations to improve the accuracy of voter rolls, including working toward “interoperability” of state voter lists so that states “can identify and remove duplicate registration of citizens who are registered to vote in more than one state.”
    Robert Popper, a former Justice Department lawyer now with Judicial Watch, testified about the failure of the Justice Department to enforce the provisions of the National Voter Registration Act that require states to maintain the accuracy of their voter lists.
    He said there has been a “pervasive failure by state and county officials” to comply with the National Voter Registration Act, and complained about the under-enforcement of state laws against voter fraud.
    Ken Block of Simpatico Software Systems gave a stunning report on the comparison that his company did of voter registration and voter history data from 21 states. He discussed how difficult and expensive it was to get voter data from many states—data that is supposed to be freely available to the public.
    According to Block, “the variability in access, quality, cost, and data provided impedes the ability to examine voter activity between states.”
    Yet using an extremely conservative matching formula that included name, birthdate, and Social Security number, Block found approximately 8,500 voters who voted in two different states in the November 2016 election, including 200 couples who voted illegally together. He estimated that “there would be 40,000 duplicate votes if data from every state were available.”
    Of those duplicate voters, 2,200 cast a ballot in Florida—four times George W. Bush’s margin of victory in 2000. His analysis “indicates a high likelihood [of] voter fraud” and that there is “likely much more to be found.”
    As a member of the commission, I testified about The Heritage Foundation’s election fraud database. That non-comprehensive database has 1,071 examples of proven incidents of fraud ranging from one illegal vote to hundreds. It includes 938 criminal convictions, 43 civil penalties, and miscellaneous other cases.
    Heritage is about to add another 19 cases to the database. This is likely just the tip of the iceberg, since many cases are never prosecuted and there is no central source for information on election fraud.

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    Are you for voter ID?

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    What about other alternatives, such as an active thumbprint database (DMV already retains this information) that holds the prints only for the duration of the election period and connects through a centralized Db for all participating venues? Or otherwise, just permit a state ID waiver fee for those that claim they cannot afford the paperwork fee or even better allow one free ID/DL lost/stolen replacement card issued to every individual for every 2-years, and same would go for license plates and registration tabs. All these fees are nuts anyway, along with the high cost of registration, smog, and insurance, etc. ...Heck even make auto insurance companies carry the fees for their customers, which would be an incentive for people to maintain their auto insurance too.
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    End all taxes.

    Pay to vote. Get one vote for every $500.

    Vote as often as you like.

    All proceeds fund the government.

    Anyone can vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    End all taxes.

    Pay to vote. Get one vote for every $500.

    Vote as often as you like.

    All proceeds fund the government.

    Anyone can vote.
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    Government can't fix this. Citizens should be empowered to fix it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
    What about other alternatives, such as an active thumbprint database (DMV already retains this information) that holds the prints only for the duration of the election period and connects through a centralized Db for all participating venues? Or otherwise, just permit a state ID waiver fee for those that claim they cannot afford the paperwork fee or even better allow one free ID/DL lost/stolen replacement card issued to every individual for every 2-years, and same would go for license plates and registration tabs. All these fees are nuts anyway, along with the high cost of registration, smog, and insurance, etc. ...Heck even make auto insurance companies carry the fees for their customers, which would be an incentive for people to maintain their auto insurance too.
    That sounds unnecessarily complicated. Just showing a state ID is adequate. AFAIK, every state that has passed a voterID law allows for a free ID for those people who can't even scrape $10 to vote for their fair share of my income.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    That sounds unnecessarily complicated. Just showing a state ID is adequate. AFAIK, every state that has passed a voterID law allows for a free ID for those people who can't even scrape $10 to vote for their fair share of my income.
    The state already subsidizes them for the mandatory and unaffordable Obamacare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
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    It seems this may be a systemic problem in many states. We knew something was fishy in the 2012 GOP primary and it amplified even more in the 2016 general. Going back to paper ballots is an easy way to reduce some of the fraud in those electronic voting states, but that seems to be only the beginning to addressing this.

    It's good to see that many states are more active than ever on cracking down on this, but will it be enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    Are you for voter ID?

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    This is how the vote-counters and backroom operatives like it. They want it as obscure and opaque as possible so that they can tip elections.
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    As a member of the commission, I testified about The Heritage Foundation’s election fraud database. That non-comprehensive database has 1,071 examples of proven incidents of fraud ranging from one illegal vote to hundreds. It includes 938 criminal convictions, 43 civil penalties, and miscellaneous other cases
    Cases from the Heritage Fraud Database- a review:

    https://www.brennancenter.org/public...ase-assessment

    The database includes 749 “cases” involving almost 1,100 individuals.

    A closer examination reveals:

    • Only 105 cases come within the past five years, and 488 within the past 10 years. Thirty-two cases are from the 1980s and 1990s. Indicative of its overreach, the database even includes a case from 1948 (when Harry S. Truman beat Tomas Dewey) and a case from 1972 (when Richard Nixon defeated George McGovern). Over the period considered by Heritage, there have been over 3 billion votes cast in federal elections alone, and many more when you include the state and local elections also covered in the database. The number of cases in the database represent a miniscule portion of the overall number of votes cast during this time span.

    • In reviewing decades of cases and billions of votes cast, the Heritage Foundation has identified just 10 cases involving in-person impersonation fraud at the polls (fewer than the number of members on the President’s Commission). Heritage thus confirms what extensive prior research has shown — it is more likely that an individual will be struck by lightning than impersonate another voter at the polls.•

    The database includes only 41 cases involving non-citizens registering, voting, or attempting to vote. This is particularly striking given the claims made by President rump in setting up the Commission that millions of illegal votes were cast in 2016; on other occasions, he said 3 to 5 million unauthorized immigrants robbed him of the popular vote majority. The fact that only 41 such cases were identified over a time span of more than four decades highlights the absurdity of claims that millions of non-citizens voted in the 2016 election alone.
    At least a quarter of the cases in the database do not even involve ineligible people voting or attempting to vote — the conduct of concern to the president’s Commission.

    Instead, the database inflates the prevalence of voter fraud by including a broad variety of conduct. For example, it includes allegations of voter intimidation, vote buying, interfering or altering ballots by election officials, wrong-doing pertaining to the collection and submission of signatures on ballot petitions, and technical violations of ballot-assistance laws. These cases may identify misconduct and problems associated with election administration, but they are not the kind of voter fraud that the Commission members profess to seek to address.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Cases from the Heritage Fraud Database- a review:

    https://www.brennancenter.org/public...ase-assessment

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    He made a series of recommendations to improve the accuracy of voter rolls, including working toward “interoperability” of state voter lists so that states “can identify and remove duplicate registration of citizens who are registered to vote in more than one state.”
    Robert Popper, a former Justice Department lawyer now with Judicial Watch, testified about the failure of the Justice Department to enforce the provisions of the National Voter Registration Act that require states to maintain the accuracy of their voter lists.
    He said there has been a “pervasive failure by state and county officials” to comply with the National Voter Registration Act, and complained about the under-enforcement of state laws against voter fraud.
    Translation: We want to federalize the process. That way we can first deprive the citizens of states that resist Real ID of their vote, and then we can really boil the frog.
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    40,000 potential votes is a lot and could have swung an election easily. Still not the millions of illegal votes Trump made up.

    Of course does it matter who gets to vote if we haven't figured out how to count them in a way that doesn't involve electronics that can be hacked, changed, not be audited?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpitcher View Post
    40,000 potential votes is a lot and could have swung an election easily. Still not the millions of illegal votes Trump made up.

    Of course does it matter who gets to vote if we haven't figured out how to count them in a way that doesn't involve electronics that can be hacked, changed, not be audited?
    We may yet find millions, the investigation is only just beginning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We may yet find millions, the investigation is only just beginning.
    40,000 reflects people who are registered to vote in more than one state. If you moved to a new state and registered to vote there and did not inform the state you moved from that you left you are probably listed as eligible to vote in both states. Does this mean you voted in both states? There is potentially that many fraudulent votes, but the likelyhood that 40,000 fraudulent votes were actually cast?

    "I love voting so much! Let's wait in line here and then drive a couple hours to another state so we can wait in line and vote there too! Can't we go, honey?"
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    Voter fraud, was it Russia?

    I bet it was Russia.
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    ...i have a hunch that the stinking republicans benefit as much/more than the stinking democrats from any 'vote fraud'...

    ...[when it comes to 'voter fraud' all republican-radio talk of 'fake news' is forgotten]
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Translation: We want to federalize the process. That way we can first deprive the citizens of states that resist Real ID of their vote, and then we can really boil the frog.
    I agree. Let each state handle voter fraud individually.






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