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    Quote Originally Posted by Identity View Post
    If you guys ever wish to be taken seriously you might actually wish to engage in actual Socialistic policies and not make this very strange (and very American) equivocation of Statism with Socialism, the two are not necessarily interlinked and the most successful Socialist societies have been of the Libertarian variety.
    Statism is in fact necessarily linked to socialism, at the least, as it has been practiced by any socialist government tried (unless you are speaking of small communes operating largely on agreed free will and a pooling of resources). How is socialism inextricably tied to socialism? It is the use of force of a particular majority, or often times an irate minority, to seize the means of production and redistribute resources in an arbitrary and often politically influenced manner.

    For example, socialized medicine. Might I refuse coverage? Or pool monies with my neighbors to purchase a coverage plan not recognized by the state? Or practice medicine without a state license? The scheme relies on collecting money from all, particularly the healthy, to care for some, particularly the sick. There are no real concerns for the healthy's opinion on if they are to have coverage or finance the scheme. When you introduce market inefficiencies, insurance requirements and a legal system which has encouraged lawsuits for every perceived injustice or injury you get what you have in the United States. Largely unaffordable medical coverage with hospitals testing every possible condition to avoid a malpractice lawsuit (further driving up costs for everyone).

    Concerning the lame memes on Venezuela & the tedious arguments against Socialism: it all seems like a gigantic case of projection. Whenever there's a crisis in capitalism, a critique concerning market inefficiently (which guys like Chomsky outline very accurately), critique of modern Western society the very first response from Austro-Libertarians is: "but it's not troooo capitalism." Funny enough, whenever a person from the other side merely points out that Socialism is worker control over industry (famous examples would be Revolutionary Spain, Paris Commune) and not a clumsy, third-world, economically undeveloped country we get mocked and you throw the lame, "oh so it's not trooo socialism?' meme at us. My tradition of Socialism stems from 19th & early 20th century thinkers. Completely outside of the traditions of the USSR & Communist China (although it's curious that USSR is the epitome of wickedness when American atrocities are swept under the rug).
    That is fair to a point. I think the difference is capitalists, outside of Chicagoans celebrating Augusto Pinochet in Chile (and a lot of those people don't celebrate Pinochet but rather the success of Chile after adopting free market principles) don't celebrate mass murderers, tyrants, etc. Regardless of your apparent enlightenment to the evils of Lenin, Guevara, Castro, Chavez etc. they are still largely celebrated by the left in general and by self-identifying socialists in particular.

    As far as the crimes of the United States, they ought not be ignored and in fact this forum has served as a great place to document them.

    Now onto the pics:



    The inference is that "Socialism" (whatever that means given the perversion of the term) creates massive wealth inequality- how? Where?
    Yes, granting a few people the authority to dictate how resources are spread out would never lead to the government getting richer while the people get poorer. It isn't as if people are inherently corruptible and will enrich themselves at the expense of others given the authority and opportunity to do so.

    Furthermore, I don't necessarily argue that wealth inequality is a primary issue with socialism. You will all be equally poorer than otherwise.

    Even if you have this weird American belief that Socialism is automatically linked to big gubmint & state intervention into the economy, can you provide examples in first world nations where this has been the result? I'm not aware of a rampant poverty level in Scandinavian nations, Germany, S. Korea, or Japan?
    I will provide some material after this post. I'm on a tablet (God bless capitalism) and it's hard to format/jump between pages.

    Quite simply, none of those places you mentioned are bastions of individual liberty and each have their own issues as it relates to socialism and tyrannical mob rule.

    Anyhow, is that picture even from Venezuela? That looks like the massive slum in Brazil which is the largest in all of Latin America, dwarfing every single other 'ghetto/slum' in the Spanish-speaking world. What a weird argument. Have you guys been to Latin America? Try traveling the slums of Mexico, Brazil, and Colombia and get back to me. Ah, but I forgot, "not trooo capitalism."
    I'm not sure if it is Venezuela. There are many verified pictures of empty shelves and poverty in Venezuela. And likewise why don't you travel to Chile?

    And furthermore, are you really positing that Mexico, Colombia and Brazil are capitalist enclaves in South America? First, why didn't you mention Chile unless you were intentionally attempting to mislead and second, all of those countries have sectors which are socialized and there is large government collusion between different industries.

    You also fail to mention the tens of thousands of Venezuelans fleeing to Colombia for food and supplies.



    One could easily change "Communist regime" to "Democratic regime." After all, just about every single 20th century authoritarian State self-identified as "democratic" and "people's republics." Just ask our contemporary benevolent Dictator in the DPRK today. Notice that "D" part of the name? Yeah. The whole "Self-identify" argument has to be one of the lamest and misleading one in these sorts of circles; talk about obfuscating.
    Democracy does lead to some awful things, yes. Namely; socialism.

    Here's BadMouse's video on the matter if you guys are interested further. His explanation is in-depth and goes into the history of Venezuela (which seems to be a power struggle between State powers and oligarchs, hardly an indictment on Socialism or any economic system for that matter)

    https://youtu.be/le86H7Xfjrc
    I will check it out, thanks. I will also include some 5-10 videos below.

    Now please make a meme thread on the lovely Capitalist paradises in Somalia, the rest of Sub-sahara Africa, most of Latin America, the "PIGS" countries of Europe, and China. Cue the "Not trooo capitalism.. austrian economics!!!11!" ​response in five seconds.
    Somalia has actually gotten better on every measurable metric since the collapse of their quasi government.

    Socialism necessarily makes people poorer.
    Last edited by kcchiefs6465; 03-27-2018 at 11:17 AM.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
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    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump



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    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Identity View Post

    Anyhow, is that picture even from Venezuela?
    Yes, it's from a USA Today video.


    That looks like the massive slum in Brazil which is the largest in all of Latin America, dwarfing every single other 'ghetto/slum' in the Spanish-speaking world. What a weird argument. Have you guys been to Latin America? Try traveling the slums of Mexico, Brazil, and Colombia and get back to me.
    Get back to you for what? I've been to three Latin American countries. It includes vacationing on a tiny unnamed island adjacent to Margarita Island and seeing the slums of Caracas. You don't even need to visit Latin America to figure out that pic could be from a lot of different places. Your suggestion is like seeing a large grove of pine trees and assuming it must be the western US. And, I looked up that picture and found it in literally two minutes.

    So, you actually sound like a person who is not well traveled, and one who understands little about differences and similarities among places. That doesn't make you weird, but spouting about it makes you a blowhard.
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    which one of yall fuckers wrote the "ron paul" racist news letters
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    Zippy's posts are a great contribution.




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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Damned good idea!

    This is where the battle is.

    'Communism is like Prohibition; it's a good idea but it won't work.'--Will Rogers
    The big theme seems to be, it government would work better than it does if only the right people were in charge. We've been failing to put the right people in charge for an awfully long time now; surely there's ample meat for making memes in that simple fact.
    People who say things like that (the Rogers quote) clearly do not understand the nature of human existence.

    Communism, nor Prohibition, are not "good ideas". They're terrible ideas conceived by control freaks who hate the idea of human beings living free. There isn't a construct wherein communism nor prohibitionism are good or workable ideas.

    Just thought I'd point that out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    People who say things like that (the Rogers quote) clearly do not understand the nature of human existence.

    Communism, nor Prohibition, are not "good ideas". They're terrible ideas conceived by control freaks who hate the idea of human beings living free. There isn't a construct wherein communism nor prohibitionism are good or workable ideas.

    Just thought I'd point that out.
    I stand by what Rogers said. Clearly he was a humorist, and clearly there's humor to be found in a concept being both a good idea and doomed to failure. He could have said, it seems like a good idea to people, but it isn't a good idea, because it won't work. But who would have laughed?

    From the perspective of ninety years later, is it not true that the USSR must have seemed like a good idea at the time, but it never did work right? Well, I say give Will Rogers some credit for seeing that at a very early date.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 03-31-2018 at 10:47 AM.
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    We believe our lying eyes...

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    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump



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    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

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    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

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    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

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    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

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    https://twitter.com/michaeljknowles/...43185890635777


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    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post


    I did look it up and its another lie about Hitler, Hitler is not the one responsible for that quote. Crowder made the lazy attempt at attributing a quote to Hitler because it was made by a nazi official. Its like putting Trump's name under some Rand Paul quote just because they are in the same party.

    Origin

    Back in January 2016, conservative web site Louder with Crowder dipped its toes into the world of fact-checking with an article (“MYTH BUSTED: Actually, Yes, Hitler Was a Socialist Liberal”) that makes the claim that “leftists” have unfairly rewritten history to paint Hitler as right wing, based in part on the fact that the Nazi party had the word “socialist” in its name.

    Perhaps ironically, that article opens with a tidbit of literally rewritten history, misattributing a quote by Nazi party member Gregor Strasser to Adolf Hitler:

    While Hitler may have co-opted elements of this language when it was politically expedient, they are not his words. Instead, these are the words of early Nazi party official Gregor Strasser, printed in a 1926 pamphlet titled Thoughts about the Tasks of the Future. That pamphlet, as we will discuss in detail below, attempted to appeal to ultranationalist movements on both the left and the right at a time when the Nazis were a fringe political party seeking to carve out as big a part of the German electorate as possible.

    Strasser’s pamphlet went on to make these decidedly non-socialist sounding statements as well:

    The spirit of our National Socialist idea has to overpower the spirit of liberalism and false democracy if there is to be a third Reich at all! Deeply rooted in organic life, we have realized that the false belief in the equality of man is the deadly threat with which liberalism destroys people and nation, culture and morals. violating the deepest levels of our being!

    We have to reject with fanatical zeal the frequent lie that people are basically equal and equal in regard to their influence in the state and their share of power! People are unequal, they are unequal from birth, become more unequal in life and are therefore to be valued unequally in their positions in society and in the state!
    Gregor Strasser was a prominent Nazi propagandist in the formative days of the Nazi party. A World War I veteran active in post-war anti-Soviet paramilitary activities, he — along with Adolf Hitler — became one of the two most prominent voices for the party as it attempted to build a cohesive ideology and broad support across the various factions within a deeply divided Germany.

    skip.......

    As it happens, Hitler was not a fan of Strasser’s ideas. While his efforts helped the Nazi’s with early electoral victories in the elections of 1928, his views became dangerously discordant with Hitler’s, and he was assassinated on Hitler’s orders in 1934:

    By the early 1930s Strasser was head of the Nazi political organization and second only to Hitler in power and popularity. As leader of the party’s left wing, however, he opposed Hitler’s courting of big business as well as his anti-Semitism and instead favoured radical social reforms along socialist lines. He finally resigned his party offices in 1932. Hitler was able to avert large-scale losses in membership after Strasser’s defection, and, after Hitler’s accession to the chancellorship, Strasser lost almost all of his influence. He was murdered on Hitler’s orders during the [Ernst] Röhm purge of 1934.
    The fact that Hitler disagreed with Strasser’s view of “National Socialism” so much that he was killed in part for holding those views makes it all the more absurd to attribute this quote to Hitler, as Louder with Crowder has done.
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hi...talist-system/

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    Yup, they are eating sewer rats, zoo animals etc etc. This is what happens to the brain when your consumption of neocon propaganda has gone to extreme, you start believing that Venezuelan people have resorted to eating sewer rats for lack of food.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Yup, they are eating sewer rats, zoo animals etc etc. This is what happens to the brain when your consumption of neocon propaganda has gone to extreme, you start believing that Venezuelan people have resorted to eating sewer rats for lack of food.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

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    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    More signs someone's brain has been dominated by propagandists, they spout talking points without even thinking about it. How does socialism kill people? please try and use your own words to explain this.

    At some point you must have gotten enough fundamental information to think for yourself. Socialism may deprive some people especially when its financed with tax money but they do even less damage when it is financed with natural resources. But indoctrinated people see absolutely no distinction between different kinds of non US/EU mixed, socialist, or communist economies.

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    How does socialism kill people?
    Nobody knows. After watching AOC's raise to power, some argue promotion of incompetence is a key component. No other system creates conditions where people can $#@! things up so badly.



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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Nobody knows. After watching AOC's raise to power, some argue promotion of incompetence is a key component. No other system creates conditions where people can $#@! things up so badly.
    100s of thousand of people die every year from medical errors but it would be silly to accuse medical establishment of killing people. Humans are and will always be incompetent and incompetence can kill. Maybe you can say living kills and not just socialism kills

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    How does socialism kill people?
    By discouraging production and misallocating resources.
    Also by directly killing people who resist its mismanagement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    By discouraging production and misallocating resources.
    All govt that collects taxes and especially one that uses a progressive taxation system can be said to discourage production but it would be silly to make the claim that those govt kill their citizen by doing this

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Also by directly killing people who resist its mismanagement.
    All govts lock up and/or kill people(when they use violence) to resist their authority. This is no different from pro capitalist govts. Try violently resisting the US govt and see what happens to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    All govt that collects taxes and especially one that uses a progressive taxation system can be said to discourage production but it would be silly to make the claim that those govt kill their citizen by doing this



    All govts lock up and/or kill people(when they use violence) to resist their authority. This is no different from pro capitalist govts. Try violently resisting the US govt and see what happens to you.
    I like when you pretend no historical record exists.

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