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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    More important than peace and prosperity? Really?
    First I said "just as" not more than.

    Second here is a quick spitball list:

    National Sovereignty: so world government communists don't strip us of all peace and prosperity
    De-Regulation: for prosperity
    Gun Rights: for liberty
    Immigration control: so millions of communist barbarians can't take over our culture and government and strip us of all peace and prosperity.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    I don't think you realize just how the Fed enables government by allowing them to borrow, thus bypassing our input on their spending by making our cash contribution a matter of us not becoming poorer by direct taxation, but rather by inflation.

    I don't think you've seen enough peace in your time to understand how the exigencies of war stifle debate.

    Important? indubitably. Unquestionably. Beyond a shadow of a doubt. More important? May I refer you back to what I said about the Fed being the one domino which can topple a million other dominoes?
    Quote Originally Posted by Douglas Adams
    'An SEP is something we can't see, or don't see, or our brain doesn't let us see, because we think that it's somebody else's problem. That’s what SEP means. Somebody Else’s Problem. The brain just edits it out, it's like a blind spot.'
    This government is Not Somebody Else's Problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I don't think you realize just how the Fed enables government by allowing them to borrow, thus bypassing our input on their spending by making our cash contribution a matter of us not becoming poorer by direct taxation, but rather by inflation.

    I don't think you've seen enough peace in your time to understand how the exigencies of war stifle debate.
    Blog it, then. Show him your wisdom. Otherwise you're just dick waving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    The Act of 1871 is Treason.
    I think The Act of 1801 is also questionable.

    I'm not sure that I understand where you want to go with it, splain yoself, please.
    Just pointing out the collusion between the corporations and the government.
    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    I think The Act of 1801 is also questionable.



    Just pointing out the collusion between the corporations and the government.
    Oh, The Circuit Court Act. they expanded that one in the following year in 1802, for anyone who doesn't know what he'stalking about. Meaning the Federal Judiciary was expanded.

    Eeeyep. They got us by the feet, alright.

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    That was John Adams and the Congress doing, btw. The late nature of the passage resulted in the the new expansion of the Judiciary being called "Midnight Judges."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    ...just dick waving.
    Are you sure you couldn't think of anything more ridiculous to say?

    He's no idiot. He can figure it out, if he knows what to look for. He needs look no farther than this forum. War stifling discussion is hardly a new concept. And inflation as tax has been explained on this forum more times than we can count even if we remove our shoes, and by people who do it better than I.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 09-21-2017 at 07:15 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Douglas Adams
    'An SEP is something we can't see, or don't see, or our brain doesn't let us see, because we think that it's somebody else's problem. That’s what SEP means. Somebody Else’s Problem. The brain just edits it out, it's like a blind spot.'
    This government is Not Somebody Else's Problem

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    The last good democrat was Larry McDonald and he's been dead for 34 years. There is nothing remotely redeemable about the contemporary democrat party.
    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    The last good democrat was Larry McDonald and he's been dead for 34 years. There is nothing remotely redeemable about the contemporary democrat party.
    That's your opinion of Tulsi Gabbard. It isn't mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by Douglas Adams
    'An SEP is something we can't see, or don't see, or our brain doesn't let us see, because we think that it's somebody else's problem. That’s what SEP means. Somebody Else’s Problem. The brain just edits it out, it's like a blind spot.'
    This government is Not Somebody Else's Problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Are you sure you couldn't think of anything more ridiculous to say?

    He's no idiot. He can figure it out, if he knows what to look for. He needs look no farther than this forum. War stifling discussion is hardly a new concept. And inflation as tax has been explained on this forum more times than we can count even if we remove our shoes, and by people who do it better than I.
    Nope. You were dick waving. That's not functional debate. Pull your chest back in, Tarzan, we're all friends here.

    Hear them out, at least. Give them a chance to make their points without interrupting them, reframing their words, and putting them on trial. You'll get around to what you agree on and what you don't. Then go from there.

    This is why I recommended blogging your wisdom. We like to learn.

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    You've confused me with someone who has something nice to say about either major party.

    I'm here to object to the very presence of this thread, not to prolong it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Douglas Adams
    'An SEP is something we can't see, or don't see, or our brain doesn't let us see, because we think that it's somebody else's problem. That’s what SEP means. Somebody Else’s Problem. The brain just edits it out, it's like a blind spot.'
    This government is Not Somebody Else's Problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I don't think you realize just how the Fed enables government by allowing them to borrow, thus bypassing our input on their spending by making our cash contribution a matter of us not becoming poorer by direct taxation, but rather by inflation.

    I don't think you've seen enough peace in your time to understand how the exigencies of war stifle debate.
    I do understand all that.

    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Important? indubitably. Unquestionably. Beyond a shadow of a doubt. More important? May I refer you back to what I said about the Fed being the one domino which can topple a million other dominoes?
    Again I did NOT say "MORE IMPORTANT", I said "JUST AS IMPORTANT".

    National Sovereignty: so world government communists don't strip us of all peace and prosperity
    This is existential, all your worst nightmares will happen if we lose our sovereignty

    Gun Rights: for liberty
    If we lose our guns we will lose everything else in short order

    Immigration control: so millions of communist barbarians can't take over our culture and government and strip us of all peace and prosperity.
    If the Demoncrats flood us with permanent super-majorities of communist barbarians who don't know or care about the fed and the wars we will NEVER have peace and prosperity.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You've confused me with someone who has something nice to say about either major party.

    I'm here to object to the very presence of this thread, not to prolong it.
    I have nothing good to say about the Republican party, in fact I have many bad things to say about it, I have far more and far worse things to say about the Demoncrats though.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    This thread has gotten way crazy.

    @dannno mentioned that Tulsi was similar to Kucinich and Madison320 started ripping on Kucinich- my response was:

    That both parties were meh- but Kucinich did agree with Ron Paul on some things and they both liked working together.

    Then suddenly I was a "communist" because I showed links that supported this.

    I am a libertarian and I believe that there is no TWO PARTIES. It's all lies to make the sheeple concentrate on crap like this and miss what's actually going on.
    There is no spoon.

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    ...madison 320, i believe you have revealed your preference for the republican puppets vs. the d puppets based on your unique qualitative, subjective criteria...as to any QUANTITATIVE OBJECTIVE criteria it appears that only a math-challenged republicrat could/would quibble about any important difference$...i believe you'll find that when republicans have controlled the federal legislature and executive branches the levels of government $pending are nearly-identical with the record of spending when democrats are in control...

    ....and aren't government $pending levels [gov. spending vs. gdp, etc.] a better indicator of 'big government' 'socialism' than anything else?

    ...what's important to me is promoting people who are aware of the hideous nature of the monetary order under which you [i assume] and i are enslaved and abused...as to this issue only a fool could quibble over either wing of republicrat monetary ignoramuses and puppet$..[btw, good writing/thinking, acptulsa!...you hit some near-perfect chord$]

    ...'war and peace' is another important issue to me...on this issue, again, both parties suck LOUDLY...but personally i prefer cynthia mckinney, kucinich, jim traficant, some in the black congressional caucus, etc., to madison 320's republicans....although i like ron paul...even though he voted for the stinking afghan war fraud..

    ...to me, rand's warmongering 'radical islam rhetoric', 'iran rhetoric,' etc., condemn and disqualify him...that and his apologist rhetoric favoring iZrael...it appears to me all the vaunted 'liberty caucus' members are iZraeli apologists, puppets...just like the rest of the stinking republicrats...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Exactly. I've said that many times. Socialist's core principle is theft. That's not a good foundation.
    all humans are "social"
    that is why they lean that way. we are all social creatures.
    socialism, like Anarchy...
    will become possible when all people have a force field and a replicator.
    "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein

    "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - Thomas Jefferson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HVACTech View Post
    all humans are "social"
    that is why they lean that way. we are all social creatures.
    socialism, like Anarchy...
    will become possible when all people have a force field and a replicator.
    Working on it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    First I said "just as" not more than.

    Second here is a quick spitball list:

    National Sovereignty: so world government communists don't strip us of all peace and prosperity
    De-Regulation: for prosperity
    Gun Rights: for liberty
    Immigration control: so millions of communist barbarians can't take over our culture and government and strip us of all peace and prosperity.
    I'll disagree with you a little on this. If Kucinich has his way the number one problem, far above anything else, is that we be dirt poor in few years. I mean, stand in line, waiting for your food ration, dirt poor.

    If you just judged the candidates by their official positions (which is a stretch I admit) Kucinich would be about the last one I'd vote for. I'd vote for Hillary over Kucinich. I'd vote for McCain over Kucinich. I'd rather take the chance that McCain might not blow us all up vs the 100% certainty that I'd be standing in a bread line with Kucinich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I'll disagree with you a little on this. If Kucinich has his way the number one problem, far above anything else, is that we be dirt poor in few years. I mean, stand in line, waiting for your food ration, dirt poor.

    If you just judged the candidates by their official positions (which is a stretch I admit) Kucinich would be about the last one I'd vote for. I'd vote for Hillary over Kucinich. I'd vote for McCain over Kucinich. I'd rather take the chance that McCain might not blow us all up vs the 100% certainty that I'd be standing in a bread line with Kucinich.
    Look at the positives. Your social life would improve.
    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    This thread has gotten way crazy.

    @dannno mentioned that Tulsi was similar to Kucinich and Madison320 started ripping on Kucinich- my response was:

    That both parties were meh- but Kucinich did agree with Ron Paul on some things and they both liked working together.

    Then suddenly I was a "communist" because I showed links that supported this.

    I am a libertarian and I believe that there is no TWO PARTIES. It's all lies to make the sheeple concentrate on crap like this and miss what's actually going on.
    Show me where you were called a communist.

    When I call Kucinich a communist, it wasn't in the "Hey, Pinko Commie" insult sense. It was in the textbook, Karl Marx sense. What the hell am I supposed to call him? "Kucinich is someone who believes in many of the principles of communism but he's not a communist."

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Probably. So, you would pass on a chance to end the Fed now, and have a debate with these idealistic fools on whether this brave new currency could stand competing currencies later?
    Did you read the part Kucinich wants to replace a Fed controlled monetary system with a government controlled monetary system?

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Look at the positives. Your social life would improve.
    That's a good point. Those rat barbecue get togethers would be awesome! Nothing like rat over an open fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    https://www.thenewamerican.com/freedom-index

    New Jersey

    Sen. Cory Booker - 12%

    Colorado

    Dist.2: Jared Polis - 24%

    Oregon

    Sen. Ron Wyden - 16%



    Yup, Real liberty warriors!

    There are no liberty leaning Democrats. The least bad Democrats are pragmatists. Bill Clinton, Larry Summers, and third way Democrats are not catastrophically bad. If Kucinich, Gabbard, or Corey Booker ran against a Republican, I would vote for the Republican no matter what. It wouldn't even matter how terrible they are.

    If the country were in such bad shape that Dennis Kucinich got elected, a military coup would be the best option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    There are no liberty leaning Democrats. The least bad Democrats are pragmatists. Bill Clinton, Larry Summers, and third way Democrats are not catastrophically bad. If Kucinich, Gabbard, or Corey Booker ran against a Republican, I would vote for the Republican no matter what. It wouldn't even matter how terrible they are.

    If the country were in such bad shape that Dennis Kucinich got elected, a military coup would be the best option.
    I totally agree. Good point about the pragmatists. The ones I worry about are the committed socialists/communists like Kucinich.

    Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro were against war as far as I know but I wouldn't want to live under their rule either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    I used to think splitting Republicrats was impossible. Then I briefly heard Ron Paul and saw how much he was hated by the establishment. I think it was Jon Stewart who introduced me to Ron. Wasn't he a guest on a few episodes?
    He was. He was very well received by both Stewart and his audience.



    Jon Stewart also discussed, repeatedly, the media blackout on Ron Paul:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Did you read the part Kucinich wants to replace a Fed controlled monetary system with a government controlled monetary system?
    Perhaps you should read some history- the US had a government controlled monetary system until 1913.

    http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/essays/gen...ted-states.php

    Do I think this is the best way to handle it? No. But it's still in step with the first 120 years of American government.
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    Are the republicans actually worse because their perceived standards are much higher than avowed socialist control freaks? The democrats are pretty frank about their sinister goals in 2017. Sure, they may camouflage their rhetoric with the appeal to the middle class, but's it's pretty clear cut. Dealing with the external enemy is easier than combatting the enemy within, which defines the Republican party in a nutshell.
    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Perhaps you should read some history- the US had a government controlled monetary system until 1913.

    http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/essays/gen...ted-states.php

    Do I think this is the best way to handle it? No. But it's still in step with the first 120 years of American government.

    I doubt that we've ever had anything remotely close to what Kucinich wanted to implement which is an unbacked government monopoly fiat currency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I doubt that we've ever had anything remotely close to what Kucinich wanted to implement which is an unbacked government monopoly fiat currency.
    You mean like the FED which has been backed by almost every politician since its inception, except Ron Paul? It was a Republican president that got rid of the gold standard.
    There is no spoon.

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