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    As much as I can't stand republicans, democrats are a lot worse. If you disagree, name a few of the top freedom favoring republicans and then name a few of the top freedom favoring democrats.

    Rand Paul, Justin Amash, Thomas Massie.

    Your turn....



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    Tulsi Gabbard and....... well, even Kucinich quit like 4 years ago...

    I'm voting for a Democrat in my mayoral race coming up, over a 'centrist' and a 'conservative', even though he is actually a bit of a centrist. He describes himself as fiscally conservative and socially progressive and he created significant growth for a very large corporation as the CEO.

    Everybody else running, including another Democrat are all entrenched in the political establishment, he is the outsider.

    The other Democrat is a total nightmare. Her supporters are saying the reason we shouldn't vote for the guy I'm supporting is because he is like Donald Trump (even though he is latino, it's just because he was a successful CEO, and he hates Donald Trump).

    At worst, I would like to help split the vote between the two Democrats, at best I'd like to see this guy elected.
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    As much as I can't stand republicans, democrats are a lot worse. If you disagree, name a few of the top freedom favoring republicans and then name a few of the top freedom favoring democrats.

    Rand Paul, Justin Amash, Thomas Massie.

    Your turn....
    There is a new guy coming up who is running for Bob Corker's seat. His name is Andy Ogles. Native Middle Tennessean, likes Rand Paul. Activism seems to be part of his DNA. He has been active as part of Americans for Prosperity and would really like to get with it on debt, budget, and limited government. I heard him on talk radio today and I will be watching him. Corker was not my choice when he ran, so it sounds like Ogles might be a gigantic improvement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    There is a new guy coming up who is running for Bob Corker's seat. His name is Andy Ogles. Native Middle Tennessean, likes Rand Paul. Activism seems to be part of his DNA. He has been active as part of Americans for Prosperity and would really like to get with it on debt, budget, and limited government. I heard him on talk radio today and I will be watching him. Corker was not my choice when he ran, so it sounds like Ogles might be a gigantic improvement.
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    ^Republican (FYI)
    Of course, but of the Rand Paul stripe. He's interesting. In the part of the interview I heard, he used the word "conservative" as in conservative application of government, meaning limited government. He has had a lot of opportunity to hone his message, and he sounds like someone who can win. We haven't had a Dem senator since Gore, Jr.

    Oddly, a few years ago a Democrat ran for the TN House in the Clarksville district. He was more conservative and liberty minded than any Republican on the ticket. He won the primary, but the Dems took him off the ballot and replaced him with the incumbent. Go figure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Tulsi Gabbard and....... well, even Kucinich quit like 4 years ago...
    I don't know anything about Tulsi Gabbard, but wasn't Kucinich a hard core, almost Bernie Sanders like socialist? I know he had a couple of good traits, anti war, anti bank bailouts, but that's not much good if you're a socialist.

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    I have enjoyed conversations with Bernie and Kucinich supporters rather than typical FOX news viewers. I may disagree with solutions, but there is usually an agreement on what the problems are and some of the root causes. For instance, I have met plenty who acknowledged that Obama was as bad as Bush with the war on terror.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I don't know anything about Tulsi Gabbard, but wasn't Kucinich a hard core, almost Bernie Sanders like socialist? I know he had a couple of good traits, anti war, anti bank bailouts, but that's not much good if you're a socialist.
    Don't forget civil liberties, he was fantastic on civil liberties. Remember, you said freedom 'favoring' and on most of the issues he favored freedom, at least more so than other Democrats out there at the time.

    Tulsi is pretty similar, but her big claim to fame in our crowd is that she recognizes that our country is secretly supplying weaponry to ISIS and Al Qaeda in Syria and the Middle East, and she is vehemently anti-war.
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Don't forget civil liberties, he was fantastic on civil liberties. Remember, you said freedom 'favoring' and on most of the issues he favored freedom, at least more so than other Democrats out there at the time.
    Personally I feel that high, progressive taxation is the biggest loss of freedom and my guess is Kucinich wasn't too hot on that issue. What good is smoking weed if you're a slave? Maybe I'm wrong about him, I'll look it up tomorrow.

    Ok, I looked it up. It's not good.

    Believes health care is a right and supports universal health care.
    Wants to ban all handguns.
    Supports "free" education all the way thru college.
    Opposes free trade.
    Basically wants to take over farming.
    Favors a steeply progressive tax, the second plank of the communist manifesto.

    But he lets you smoke weed!

    And this is the "best" of the democrats? Holy Venezuela Batman! Actually he's not even a current politician.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Personally I feel that high, progressive taxation is the biggest loss of freedom and my guess is Kucinich wasn't too hot on that issue. What good is smoking weed if you're a slave? Maybe I'm wrong about him, I'll look it up tomorrow.
    Don't forget gun control, without arms there is no freedom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Don't forget gun control, without arms there is no freedom.
    Yup. Go back and look at my previous post. I looked up Kucinich's positions.

    Actually I'm going to go out on a limb and say the worst current republican is still better on issues of freedom than the best democrat!

    As long as you exclude John McCain.
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    in my experience..
    few "Republicans" know what a Republic is... and the Democrats are certain that Democracy is the final answer to all of our human problems...
    (even if they cannot offer a correct definition of this word.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Personally I feel that high, progressive taxation is the biggest loss of freedom and my guess is Kucinich wasn't too hot on that issue. What good is smoking weed if you're a slave? Maybe I'm wrong about him, I'll look it up tomorrow.

    Ok, I looked it up. It's not good.

    Believes health care is a right and supports universal health care.
    Wants to ban all handguns.
    Supports "free" education all the way thru college.
    Opposes free trade.
    Basically wants to take over farming.
    Favors a steeply progressive tax, the second plank of the communist manifesto.

    But he lets you smoke weed!

    And this is the "best" of the democrats? Holy Venezuela Batman! Actually he's not even a current politician.

    He has got a hot wife, especially for a short man.

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    Across the board, the triumvirate of Paul, Massie, and Amash have no comparison within the Democratic Party as far as adhering to the constitution. The Democrats have a couple decent people now and in the recent years, but they generally only cared about the constitution when it came to singular issues like wars or civil liberties and largely ignored it when it was inconvenient, economics being a big one they could care less about.

    Gabbard is big with the disaffected Bernie/Stein voters that want Hillary put behind bars and the deep state exposed/ended and Kucinich is in on doing what he can to make that happen as well.

    So yeah, nobody comparable, but only having 3 folks there following law and the constitution is not promising either as rights and culture continue to disintegrate. Love seeing those vote counts of 97-3 and 525-6. You can usually guess who those minority votes are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    As much as I can't stand republicans, democrats are a lot worse. If you disagree, name a few of the top freedom favoring republicans and then name a few of the top freedom favoring democrats.

    Rand Paul, Justin Amash, Thomas Massie.

    Your turn....
    Democrats are worse because they actually accomplish things.
    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Yup. Go back and look at my previous post. I looked up Kucinich's positions.

    Actually I'm going to go out on a limb and say the worst current republican is still better on issues of freedom than the best democrat!

    As long as you exclude John McCain.
    Dems & Repubs- meh. For me it's 2nd verse, same as the first.

    As far as Kucinich goes, here's some links with him & Ron Paul on the same page:


    Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich Ask President Obama to Free Chelsea Manning


    http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/

    It just seemed just like yesterday Kucinich was not far from Paul’s mind, when Paul mirthfully stated during a ReLOVEution presidential campaign interview that if elected he’d consider putting the liberal Ohio congressman in his administration, creating a “Department of Peace,” where the peace-loving Kucinich could really shine.

    “You’ve got to give credit to people who think,” Paul said of Kucinich at a breakfast sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor, as reported by the Hill on Sept. 21, 2011.

    Like the photographic inversion of monochromatic mirror images, Kucinich and Paul reflected each other in their general antiwar stance, foreign policy views and civil-liberty reservations about what they and their supporters perceive as our modern-day surveillance state. While political outliers in their respective parties, they both asked tough questions that challenged us morally and encouraged reflection.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.01b785aa69a8


    Paul & Kucinich on the FED (Interview by the Judge)




    Kucinich praises Ron Paul’s ‘diligence’ in pushing Federal Reserve audit

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/27/ku...e-audit-video/
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    I have enjoyed conversations with Bernie and Kucinich supporters rather than typical FOX news viewers. I may disagree with solutions, but there is usually an agreement on what the problems are and some of the root causes. For instance, I have met plenty who acknowledged that Obama was as bad as Bush with the war on terror.
    Yeah but they have zero influence in the party. I'm not sure there are truly principled socialists anyway, since the philosophy assumes stealing is OK it all goes down hill fast.
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    both socialism and anarchy,
    will be possible when we all have force fields and replicators.
    and I can see that happening..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    As much as I can't stand republicans, democrats are a lot worse.


    ...you're too lenient with the stinking republican party inc....none of these republicrats are truly 'freedom-loving'...true 'freedom-loving' people would be railing LOUDLY AND FREQUENTLY against 'fractional reserve deposit creation' which makes us all slaves to 'the banksters' and their favorite$....but not a focused, knowledgeable peep from any republican or democrat about thi$ abomination...the hideous fiscal policies of ?your stinking republicans--spending as much or more than the stinking democrats while lowering taxes--requires more bond issuance from the treasury...bonds which the banksters get for free...the banksters looooooove your stinking republicans...

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    Quote Originally Posted by H. E. Panqui View Post


    ...you're too lenient with the stinking republican party inc....none of these republicrats are truly 'freedom-loving'...true 'freedom-loving' people would be railing LOUDLY AND FREQUENTLY against 'fractional reserve deposit creation' which makes us all slaves to 'the banksters' and their favorite$....but not a focused, knowledgeable peep from any republican or democrat about thi$ abomination...the hideous fiscal policies of ?your stinking republicans--spending as much or more than the stinking democrats while lowering taxes--requires more bond issuance from the treasury...bonds which the banksters get for free...the banksters looooooove your stinking republicans...
    I never said they were freedom loving. And they're not "my" republicans. I haven't voted for a republican in this century. That being said I've never voted for a democrat.
    The point of my post is to compare the two parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Don't forget civil liberties, he was fantastic on civil liberties. Remember, you said freedom 'favoring' and on most of the issues he favored freedom, at least more so than other Democrats out there at the time.

    Tulsi is pretty similar, but her big claim to fame in our crowd is that she recognizes that our country is secretly supplying weaponry to ISIS and Al Qaeda in Syria and the Middle East, and she is vehemently anti-war.
    You can take that to the bank!
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    Democrats are simply better at hiding their true agenda.
    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Dems & Repubs- meh. For me it's 2nd verse, same as the first.

    As far as Kucinich goes, here's some links with him & Ron Paul on the same page:


    Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich Ask President Obama to Free Chelsea Manning


    http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/



    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.01b785aa69a8


    Paul & Kucinich on the FED (Interview by the Judge)




    Kucinich praises Ron Paul’s ‘diligence’ in pushing Federal Reserve audit

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/27/ku...e-audit-video/
    I don't think agreeing with Ron Paul on one thing forgives the fact that he's a communist:

    Believes health care is a right and supports universal health care.
    Wants to ban all handguns.
    Supports "free" education all the way thru college.
    Opposes free trade.
    Basically wants to take over farming.
    Favors a steeply progressive tax, the second plank of the communist manifesto.

    Again, I'm not saying I like the republican party. I don't. I don't vote for them. All I'm saying is that as bad as the republicans are, the democrats are MUCH worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    Yeah but they have zero influence in the party. I'm not sure there are truly principled socialists anyway, since the philosophy assumes stealing is OK it all goes down hill fast.
    Exactly. I've said that many times. Socialist's core principle is theft. That's not a good foundation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Champuckett View Post
    Across the board, the triumvirate of Paul, Massie, and Amash have no comparison within the Democratic Party as far as adhering to the constitution. The Democrats have a couple decent people now and in the recent years, but they generally only cared about the constitution when it came to singular issues like wars or civil liberties and largely ignored it when it was inconvenient, economics being a big one they could care less about.

    Gabbard is big with the disaffected Bernie/Stein voters that want Hillary put behind bars and the deep state exposed/ended and Kucinich is in on doing what he can to make that happen as well.

    So yeah, nobody comparable, but only having 3 folks there following law and the constitution is not promising either as rights and culture continue to disintegrate. Love seeing those vote counts of 97-3 and 525-6. You can usually guess who those minority votes are.
    At least that's progress. I remember when it used to be 500-1. And you can guess who the "1" was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Democrats are simply better at hiding their true agenda.
    On a second thought maybe their true agenda is easier to hide?
    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    At least that's progress. I remember when it used to be 500-1. And you can guess who the "1" was.
    That's why the premise of this thread is meaningless. I remember when the majority of the people in Congress who actually tried to represent their constituents were, in fact, Democrats, and actually did fight against wiretapping and FISA secret tribunals. That was back during the era when Nixon was still casting his shadow. Even then, of course, they were already a minority.

    If the Democratic Party got worse, they were just catching up to the Nixonians. And if the GOP is better, that's because we spent the last ten years making it better. But I still wouldn't give a plug nickel for either party, as a general rule.

    Meanwhile, pretending like there's enough difference to worry about is something new to this movement--something the MSM and the 'Deep State' injected into it as part of their divide and conquer strategy--and if we play along and pretend either party is not fundamentally rotten, we lose our momentum. Which, in fact, we have done.

    Rand Paul and Tulsi Gabbard both got elected in spite of their parties, not because of them. Party makes no difference at all. Either a politician is a public servant or a stooge. And dividing ourselves along party lines is not going to help us make the public servants less of a minority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    And dividing ourselves along party lines is not going to help us make the public servants less of a minority.
    I don't think this is the point of the thread. We are simply trying to analyze the situation from an average voter perspective. The Dems have a lot of appeal as they hang out with cool technology companies and do not mention religion that often. This obviously can change on a dime.
    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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