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Disrupt, Deny, Deflate. Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3): http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...eptive-members
One date matters- that is September 30th, end of the fiscal year.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/de...rticle/2633213
Deadline for fast track Obamacare repeal bill expires Sept. 30
Republicans have until Sept. 30 to repeal Obamacare with only 51 votes in the Senate under the current budget resolution, further complicating the GOP's attempts to try again after a failed attempt in late July.
The Senate Parliamentarian ruled on Friday that the procedural tool called reconciliation, which Republicans hoped to use to bypass a filibuster in the Senate, expires on Sept. 30. Reconciliation allows a Senate bill to be advanced with only 51 votes instead of the 60 votes that are usually needed.
The GOP passed a budget resolution back in January that sets up the instructions on how to pass a healthcare bill through reconciliation. The procedural tool has some restrictions for using the budget pathway, including that legislation must slightly reduce the deficit and include only items that impact budget and spending levels.
But that resolution and reconciliation instructions expire on Sept. 30 at the end of the federal fiscal year, which means the fast-track tool for passing Obamacare repeal also expires then.
To continue to use reconciliation past that deadline, Republicans would have to pass a new budget resolution after Sept. 30.
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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Regarding process, the GOP majority could at any time deploy the "nuclear option" and end the filibuster, permanently or just for a specific bill.
They don't because then they'd have to find another excuse for their conscious choice to not undertake any meaningful reforms.
So can you answer Hint #2??
Trump tweets A LOT. About other people. ALL THE TIME.
Surely, after all those tweets, you can find Trump saying what a great friend of someone he is while talking about how they are screwing us all over, at the same time?
Otherwise, to me, this seems unprecedented and thus to judge it by it's face might not be the best way to think about it.
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"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Disrupt, Deny, Deflate. Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3): http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...eptive-members
They are reluctant to get rid of the filibuster because they may want to have it in the future should they lose control at some point.
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-actio...the-filibuster
McConnell shoots down Trump's call to end the filibuster
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) is shooting down President Trump's push for Republicans to change the Senate's rules for blocking legislation.
Asked if Republicans would nix the 60-vote filibuster to allow legislation to pass by a simple majority, McConnell told reporters, "That will not happen."
"There is an overwhelming majority on a bipartisan basis not interested in changing the way the Senate operates on the legislative calendar" on legislation, McConnell said during a weekly press conference.
Trump tweeted on Tuesday morning that voters should either elect more Republicans or get rid of the 60-vote requirement needed for ending debate on legislation.
"The reason for the plan negotiated between the Republicans and Democrats is that we need 60 votes in the Senate which are not there! We either elect more Republican Senators in 2018 or change the rules now to 51%. Our country needs a good 'shutdown' in September to fix mess!" he wrote in a series of tweets.
But McConnell — who pledged last month to keep the filibuster — said the move would "fundamentally change the way the Senate has worked for a very long time. We're not going to do that."
Republicans currently have a 52-seat majority in the Senate, meaning under the current rules they need at least eight Democratic votes to move most legislation. If they went "nuclear" and changed the rules, they could pass legislation with 51 votes.
Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) echoed his GOP counterpart, noting that a majority of senators have backed keeping the higher 60-vote threshold.
"I think the idea of using the nuclear option for legislative stuff is pretty much dead," Schumer said.
There's been little public appetite among senators to nix the legislative filibuster in the wake of Republicans going "nuclear" to lower the threshold to a simple majority for Supreme Court nominees.
Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas), the No. 2 Senate Republican, defended the legislative filibuster after Trump's tweet.
"The rules have saved us from a lot of really bad policy. ... I know we all are into short-term gratification, but it's a real mistake, I think, from a legislative standpoint," he said.
As if the Dems play by the rules?
Both sides love the filibuster because it gives them an excuse to sell out their voters, but the Dems break any rule they want when they really want something, the Repubs never do because they don't really want anything the Dems don't.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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Graham-Cassidy... the antithesis of anything worth a $hit.
Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows
Paul wasted no time in responding to Trump's accusation, and just moments later responded that "#GrahamCassidy is amnesty for Obamacare. It keeps it, it does not repeal it. I will keep working with the President for real repeal."
#GrahamCassidy is amnesty for Obamacare. It keeps it, it does not repeal it. I will keep working with the President for real repeal.According to the Hill, earlier this week, Paul expressed concern that the Republicans' latest attempt to repeal ObamaCare might pass.
— Senator Rand Paul (@RandPaul) September 20, 2017
“There's a big groundswell of people pushing for this,” Paul told Reporters on Monday. “Two weeks ago, I’d have said zero [chance it’ll pass], but now I’m worried.”
He said the bill "does not look, smell or even sound like repeal" and “I’m kind of surprised this has been resurrected because I don’t think it has been fully thought through." He also said the bill exists "mostly to take money from four Democratic states and redistribute it to Republican states."
However, just like during the last two failed attempts to repeal Obamacare, it will not be up to Paul but senators John McCain and Lisa Murkowski who will decide the fate of the Republicans latest ObamaCare repeal effort. The two were among the three Republicans, along with Sen. Susan Collins who sunk the last GOP effort to repeal ObamaCare.
With Paul saying he is voting no and Collins thought to be a likely opponent, the bill would need both McCain and Murkowski to vote yes to pass.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...ately-responds
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Trump is going to deal. This is what he does.
#NashvilleStrong
“I’m a doctor. That’s a baby.”~~~Dr. Manny Sethi
The House would also have to pass anything the Senate approves- and they would have to vote "as is"- under reconciliation rules they would be unable to change anything in it.
Great catch seems like after the Afghanistan push Trump still wants to get re elected and doesn't want to lose the Paul' vote. Ofcourse Rand Paul has been taking advantage of this by pushing liberty policies and ascribing them to "stuff he talked about with Trump in private". You ever wonder why Trump doesn't talk about liberty in public?
Bad flashbacks of Commissar Roosevelt buying a permanent electoral majority with taxpayer money...That's a good line. According to the Hill, earlier this week, Paul expressed concern that the Republicans' latest attempt to repeal ObamaCare might pass.
“There's a big groundswell of people pushing for this,” Paul told Reporters on Monday. “Two weeks ago, I’d have said zero [chance it’ll pass], but now I’m worried.”
He said the bill "does not look, smell or even sound like repeal" and “I’m kind of surprised this has been resurrected because I don’t think it has been fully thought through." He also said the bill exists "mostly to take money from four Democratic states and redistribute it to Republican states."
Other similarities: starting as vague populist, drifting gradually leftward as the economic problems he created/didn't fix got worse.
Really great, terrific, and wonderful deals, the best, I'm sure.
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
I forgot if I had said to myself to hold criticism of Trumpster for 6 months or a year.. either way "loose canon" should not allow itself to be allied with neocons and return focus on alt-fakenews, Hillary, ISIS Founding fathers etc. DGPcare should go but Trump needs to once in a while get away from lazy analysis of complex situations.
MAGA Allies: 'Bully Israel with undeclared nukes steals land'
Dangerous conspiracy theories on Right claim MAGA fake frontgroup
Poll: Should US apologize for financing radicalization of Afghan children in 80s?
Obama-Clinton Years: A Violent Chapter in World History
Trump: If (Neocon) Adelson Backs Rubio "He'll Have Total Control" Over Him
Delta variant, death of 9 Chinese engineers in terror attack led to airport chaos & quick Kabul fall?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...us-authoritar/
Ron Paul calls Donald Trump a ‘dangerous’ authoritarian: ‘The opposite of a Libertarian’
Former Republican Rep. Ron Paul on Wednesday blasted GOP presidential hopeful Donald Trump as a “dangerous” authoritarian on a power trip who won’t value civil liberties the way a U.S. president should.
“I think he’s is a dangerous person,” saidMr. Paul, whose son, Sen. Rand Paul is running against Mr. Trump for the Republican presidential nomination.
“And a lot of people find him sort of funny, and love him, even Libertarian types,” Mr. Paul, who is now a registered Libertarian, lamented on Fox News Radio. “They like him because he’s so disruptive to the party system, and I enjoy that too. But I think he’s a man that if conditions deteriorate, which they can — see I work on the assumption that the world is no more stable than Greece, and if those conditions come, people want to be told what to do: ‘And I know what the answer is, and I’ll do this, and I am the man to this.’
“And [Mr. Trump] comes across this very well, and people listen to him, and I believe he may be raising white horses someplace and he’s going to ride in,” Mr. Paul continued. “Because he is almost the opposite of a Libertarian, because it’s not like ‘I want to give you your freedom and your liberty to run your life as you choose. Your civil liberties are absolutely yours, you can’t hurt anybody, it’s your own money you can spend it any way you want.’ But he sounds like the person, ‘I know the answers and I’m going to do this and I’ve done this, I’ve done this, this and this.’”
“An authoritarian?” Fox’s Alan Colmes asked.
“He’s an authoritarian and that’s the way he claims he made all his money. So I see that as dangerous,” Mr. Paul responded.
Has anyone read this $#@!ing bill ?
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
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