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    Julien's twitter a good source of updating...
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    For any nite owls... RightSideBroadcasting is doing a great job updating (above)
    Steve Lookner is hosting and showing Spanish riot police now showing up at polling stations clashing with voters..
    seizing ballot boxes, grabbing people, trying to shut down the stations... people protesting...

    Youtube keeps 'blacking' out the screen every few minutes... weird.
    RT and RightSide are the only LIVE youtube coverage on unfolding events.
    Steve is doing a great job. I think I'll stay up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    Julien's twitter a good source of updating...
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    Default Catalan referendum: 38 injured amid reports of rubber bullets fired by Spanish police - live

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...onia-vote-live


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    Catalan referendum: 38 injured amid reports of rubber bullets fired by Spanish police - live
    I used to think that the 'rubber bullets' were like a .45cal 'bullet' and soft like an inner tube rubber.
    I was wrong. Have you ever seen one?
    I have.
    It's about 4" long with a diameter of a silver dollar and hard as a hockey puck.

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    Hundreds injured:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Catalonia.html

    me thinks that all this is going to lead to another internal resistance group like the IRA and/or the ETA.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/violence-...144705508.html
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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/latest-ac...042739024.html

    4:30 p.m.

    Spain's interior Ministry says police have closed 79 of about 2,300 polling stations that the Catalan government has authorized to stage its referendum on independence in northeastern Catalonia.

    The ministry said Sunday that police, who are under orders to prevent the referendum from taking place, arrested three people, one a minor, for disobedience and assaulting officers.

    It said 34 of the voting centers closed were in the Catalan capital of Barcelona. A regional court last week ordered police to close all the polling stations.

    Earlier Sunday, Catalan government spokesman Jordi Turull said that voting was underway in 96 percent of the voting centers.

    The Spanish government says no referendum has taken place.

    The ministry said 11 police officers were slightly injured in disturbances. Catalan officials say 337 people have been injured, some seriously, in clashes with police.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Madrid should let them go before they poison the minds of the rest of the voters, both sides will be better off without the other.
    Exactly, let them be independent. I would be pissed if the federal govt of the U.S. tried to stop California from splitting off into their own socialist nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Exactly, let them be independent. I would be pissed if the federal govt of the U.S. tried to stop California from splitting off into their own socialist nation.
    Let this serve as a warning to those of us in California.
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    Couldn't the Spanish government, who should be more aptly named "bunch of morons" from now on, just ignore the results of the vote instead of pretending it didn't happen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
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    Obey police or Vote???
    I'd be upset about not being able to vote, but if people didn't obey the police the country would just turn into anarchy. Like those The Purge movies
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    disgusting.
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    SPAIN'S CATALONIA REGIONAL GOV'T SAYS 761 INJURED IN REFERENDUM CLASHES

    The Department of Health put the figure of injured at 761, 128 of which have been hospitalized #CatalanReferendum

    REFERENDUM ON SELF-DETERMINATION DIDN'T TAKE PLACE: RAJOY

    Twitter just shut down the #CatalanReferendum hashtag





    Basques call protest in support of Catalonian referendum

    Catalonia may declare independence in 48 hours if Catalan majority votes „Yes“ - BBC




    People push out Spanish cops in Girona:

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    Spanish government today vs Franco 50 years ago

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    Good commentary from Antiwar.com:

    Spain’s Repression has Failed

    As the Spanish government reveals the true nature of its “democratic” pretensions, injuring hundreds in an effort to stop Catalans from voting, one thing is clear: Catalonia is no longer Spanish. In the very effort to prevent the referendum Madrid has handed the victory to the separatists: this is what the sight of Spanish police clubbing people at the polls means. … The government of Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy has lost whatever legitimacy it once had.

    Indeed, if I was looking for a way to ensure that the independence movement would triumph, then this kind of crackdown fits the bill. …

    the number of injured is rising by the minute … Using rubber bullets, the Guardia Civil, Spain’s police force, has fired on its own people, injuring scores: yet more injuries were inflicted by beatings, with police using truncheons indiscriminately on young and old alike, attacking firefighters, old ladies, journalists, and anyone who got in their way.

    And yet the ostensible goal of their actions – stopping the referendum – was not achieved. Seventy-three percent of the polling stations remained open and functioning … underscoring the blind arrogance of Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy as he stupidly claims that “no referendum was held in Catalonia.” …

    Outside of the fantasy world of Señor Rajoy, the Catalan referendum has indeed been held, and the results are not in doubt: the question is, what will the Catalan government do now? And what will be Madrid’s response?

    The spectacle of violent repression unleashed against peaceful protesters has provoked widespread outrage throughout Europe. … Yet it looks to me like Madrid, after going this far, is going to double down and go much further …

    In the Catalonian events there is a lesson to be learned and it is this: government is brute force. It isn’t “the rule of law,” it isn’t the People’s Will, it isn’t “democracy”government is coercion, pure and simple. And when the will of a government is defied, what happens is what we saw today [Sunday] in Catalonia. … will the Spanish state use enough force to keep the Catalans under their thumb? Madrid could unleash the army: Rajoy could send tanks into the streets of Barcelonia. The Guardia Civil could use real bullets instead of rubber bullets. … If not, then they will ultimately lose – and this is what the Catalans are counting on …

    At a time when supra-national bureaucracies and globalist initiatives are being foisted on ordinary people, the Catalan people are rising up and taking their destiny into their own hands. While the elites are pushing an agenda of centralization, and concentrated power, the worldwide trend is actually going in the opposite direction, toward decentralization and self-determination. Repression won’t stop it: bullets won’t end it. Indeed, as the Spanish authorities are discovering to their dismay, sending in the troops is far more likely to backfire than to quell the rebellion. …

    from here on out the Catalan crisis can only escalate. I fully expect the Catalans to declare their independence, in which case Madrid will respond just as it responded to the referendum: with force. …
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    Not to make light of the situation..


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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post




    Police chased out of Catalan town by angry crowd

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    They just all need to vote really, really hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    Let this serve as a warning to those of us in California.
    I want to keep the red counties when CALExit happens but I can't guarantee that it will happen unless there is a movement for that locally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I want to keep the red counties when CALExit happens but I can't guarantee that it will happen unless there is a movement for that locally.
    Yeah, I don't think counties can secede at least according to the constitution. Which is why the state of California would have to put the measure on the ballot as the entire state to secede. I wish the Calexit ballot listed which counties wanted to secede. We know it would be every county along the coast between San Diego and San Francisco. With the exception of Orange County just South of L.A.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    Yeah, I don't think counties can secede at least according to the constitution. Which is why the state of California would have to put the measure on the ballot as the entire state to secede. I wish the Calexit ballot listed which counties wanted to secede. We know it would be every county along the coast between San Diego and San Francisco. With the exception of Orange County just South of L.A.
    It could be done as part of a secession agreement/treaty approved by the senate when CALExit happens, but the red counties will need to start a public movement to demand it.
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    The illusion that a group of people and/or a state entity can secede from its larger state body keeps getting chipped away bit by bit.

    Peacefully voting to leave can apparently only be met with violence. This is waking people up as each body gets dragged down to the entrance and tossed into the street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Champuckett View Post
    The illusion that a group of people and/or a state entity can secede from its larger state body keeps getting chipped away bit by bit.

    Peacefully voting to leave can apparently only be met with violence. This is waking people up as each body gets dragged down to the entrance and tossed into the street.
    +1 rep

    If only the hotheads in Lexington and Concord would have staged a peaceful sit-in instead.

    The Catalonians have shown a lot of restraint, from what I've seen. But if I were a resident there, I would not at all be interested in participating in such an event that would require such restraint.
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