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http://www.fluad.com/Common/docs/FLU...age_Insert.pdf
https://www.gsksource.com/pharma/con...ADRIVALENT.PDF
https://www.flublok.com/media/1150/t...t-pi-clean.pdf
https://www.flublok.com/media/1158/q...-17mar2017.pdf
http://flu.seqirus.com/files/us_pack..._flucelvax.pdf
https://www.gsksource.com/pharma/con...ADRIVALENT.PDF
http://labeling.seqirus.com/PI/US//F...nformation.pdf
https://www.vaccineshoppe.com/image....pe=product_pdf
https://www.fda.gov/downloads/biolog.../ucm263239.pdf
https://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biolog.../UCM518295.pdf
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
Yep, some flu vaccines do have thimerisol in them- exactly as I have said. And they are also available in thimerisol free versions. Ask your doctor.
https://universityhealthnews.com/dai...-shot-options/
Thimerosal-Free Vaccines
These vaccines do not contain thimerosal:
Afluria Trivalent, by Seqiris; 0.5 mL single-dose prefilled syringe; age range 9+ years
Fluad Trivalent, by Seqiris; 0.5 mL single-dose prefilled syringe; age range 65+ years
Fluzone High-Dose Trivalent, by Sanofi Pasteur; 0.5 mL single-dose prefilled needle-less syringe; age range 65+ years
Fluzone Quadrivalent Pediatric, by Sanofi Pasteur; 0.25 mL single-dose prefilled syringe; age range 6-36 months
Fluzone Quadrivalent, by Sanofi Pasteur; 0.5 mL single-dose prefilled syringe, and 0.5 mL single-dose vial; age range 36+ months
Fluarix Quadrivalent, by GlaxoSmithKline; 0.5 mL single-dose prefilled syringe; age range 3+ years
Flucelvax Quadrivalent, by Seqiris; 0.5mL single-dose prefilled syringe; age range 4+ years
Afluria Quadrivalent, by Seqiris; 0.5 mL single-dose prefilled syringe; age range 18+ years
Fluzone Intradermal Quadrivalent, by Sanofi Pasteur; 0.1 mL single-dose pre-filled micro-injection system; age range 18 to 64 years
According to the FDA, a .5 ml dose of vaccine contains 25 micrograms of mercury.
There are 3x10^21 molecules of mercury per gram.
25 micrograms then equals 7.5 x 10^15 molecules of mercury. Just a tiny tad more than "a few molecules".
Last edited by AZJoe; 10-19-2017 at 09:19 AM.
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According to the FDA, the tetanus containing vaccine only has "less than" one half of a microgram of mercury- not 25. The flu vaccine does have 25 micrograms. Divide by at least 500. A very insignificant amount- one part per million. But thanks for the math class.
"Traces may remain from the manufacturing process".
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-18-2017 at 10:06 PM.
https://www.ecowatch.com/cdc-mercury...226257805.htmlThe study meticulously details identical toxicity pathways shared by both forms of mercury:
Both ethyl and methyl mercury cause DNA damage or impair DNA synthesis (Burke et al. 2006; Sharpe et al. 2012; Wu et al. 2008).
Both cause oxidative stress/creation of reactive oxygen species (Dreiem and Seegal 2007; Garg and Chang 2006; Myhre et al. 2003; Sharpe et al. 2012; Yin et al. 2007).
Both decrease glutathione activity, thus providing less protection from the oxidative stress caused by MeHg and EtHg (Carocci et al. 2014; Ndountse and Chan (2008); Choi et al. 1996; Franco et al. 2006; Mori et al. 2007; Muller et al. 2001; Ndountse and Chan 2008; Wu et al. 2008).
Both cause effects on cell division by damaging the spindle apparatus during mitosis (Burke et al. 2006; Castoldi et al. 2000; Gribble et al. 2005; Kim et al. 2007; Ou et al. 1999b; Machaty et al. 1999; Rodier et al. 1984).
Both MeHg and EtHg bind to the amino acid cysteine (Clarkson 1995; Wu et al. 2008).
Both MeHg and EtHg strongly inhibit the reacylation of arachidonic acid, thus inhibiting the reincorporation of this fatty acid into membrane phospholipids (Shanker et al. 2002; Verity et al. 1994; Zarini et al. 2006).
Both cause an increase in NOS, causing an overproduction of NO (Chen et al. 2003; Chuu et al. 2001; Shinyashiki et al. 1998).
Both disrupt glutamate homeostasis (Farina et al. 2003a, b; Manfroi et al. 2004; Mutkus et al. 2005; Yin et al. 2007).
Both alter intracellular calcium homeostasis (Elferink 1999; Hare et al. 1993;Kang et al. 2006; Limke et al. 2004b; Machaty et al. 1999; Marty and Atchison1997; Minnema et al. 1987; Peng et al. 2002; Sayers et al. 1993; Sirois and Atchison, 2000; Szalai et al. 1999; Tornquist et al. 1999; Zarini et al. 2006).
Both cause effects on receptor binding/neurotransmitter release involving one or more transmitters (Basu et al. 2008; Coccini et al. 2000; Cooper et al. 2003; Fonfria et al. 2001; Ida-Eto et al. 2011; Ndountse and Chan 2008; Yuan and Atchison 2003).
"This study is a nuclear bomb detonating over the CDC," Boyd Haley, chairman emeritus of the University of Kentucky Chemistry Department, said. "It should be getting international, front page headlines."
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
25 micrograms to .5 micrograms is a divide by 50, not 500. Even at .5 micrograms, that equal 1.5 x 10^14 molecules of mercury for Tdap ( or 150,000,000,000,000 molecules). That is a tiny amount, but still a far cry away from just "a few molecules" .
But of course this is a red herring by Zip because the OP pertains to fraudulent research used by the CDC to justify the concentrations in mercury in the prior vaccines, not current.
The report in the OP refers to the fraudulent studies the CDC used to previously tout the injection of mercury into the body as safe. Those studies pertained to the prior vaccines, not the current ones. At the time of that fraudulent research, Tdap vaccines contained at least 25 micrograms of mercury per dose. At the scheduled three doses during infancy that was 75 micrograms of mercury injected during infancy just from Tdap vaccines alone.
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to AZJoe again.
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Just so this is clear to anyone reading this thread, Zippy agrees childhood vaccines contain mercury, and the FDA also admits that "Traces may remain from the manufacturing process" which is what everyone here is saying.
His argument that small amounts are not harmful is his opinion and belief, because there are no scientific studies proving his claim.
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Wrong. Childhood vaccines do not contain mercury. There may be a tiny amount left in one vaccine from the manufacturing process because removing every single molecule is impossible. The amount is completely insignificant- less than one half of a microgram in a vaccine. That is one part per million of the vaccine itself.
How much ethyl mercury causes harm? Do you have studies showing the amount needed to harm a human?His argument that small amounts are not harmful is his opinion and belief, because there are no scientific studies proving his claim.
No, not wrong, correct! You proved the point yourself. Tiny amounts are left - that is the only point I am making, and you agreed.
The burden of proof is on you, since you are making that argument, not me. If you claim the amount is insignificant and does not harm, YOU have to prove that, and obviously you cannot since there are no scientific studies proving that. It is 100% a statement of belief....
There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
(1 John 4:18)
So Angela negative repped me (first one I have received in 10 years on the forums) and wrote:
So Angela, trace amounts of mercury can still be left in childhood vaccines, as both the FDA has admitted, and Zippy has as well in his quoting the FDA.
How is this "anti science"?
Do you have some science showing trace amounts of mercury do not cause harm?
There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
(1 John 4:18)
Your statement was misleading. You said "children's vaccines" plural and implied I said it was in all childhood vaccines. It isn't. There is only one and that has an insignificant amount (less than one half of a microgram- and even the previous amount of 25 micrograms was an insignificant amount- this is one fiftieth of that).
Zippy does not agree with that statement.Zippy agrees childhood vaccines contain mercury,
I cannot prove a negative. The burden is on you to show that the amount of ethyl mercury necessary to cause harm.The burden of proof is on you, since you are making that argument, not me. If you claim the amount is insignificant and does not harm, YOU have to prove that, and obviously you cannot since there are no scientific studies proving that. It is 100% a statement of belief...
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-21-2017 at 04:44 PM.
Pot meet kettle.
Adjuvants in Vaccines
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-...s-in-vaccines/
Want Some Proof About Vaccine Adjuvants?
https://vactruth.com/2011/11/02/want...ine-adjuvants/
NEW STUDY LINKS ALUMINUM ADJUVANT VIA HPV VACCINE TO NEUROINFLAMMATION & AUTOIMMUNE REACTION
http://www.collective-evolution.com/...oural-changes/
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
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1. The first site is a blog, not a study.
2. The second site is blog post about veterinary studies of adjuvants not actually in human vaccines.
3. The link you provided literally states "The paper was also said to have used a seriously flawed methodology and that the claims made were unjustified. " And goes on to discuss the eventual retraction. So it was garbage, and that's according to your very source.
SO by all means, troll again by ignoring what I just posted and post a flurry of other links. Or screech how every doctor who believes in science is part of same conspiracy. God knows why the mods allow this crap. It has nothing to do with politics, and the bull$#@! drives sane people away.
Last edited by angelatc; 10-22-2017 at 09:59 AM.
Nope, I never made that claim. Please quote me. My claim, the one that promotes liberty unlike your ad hominem attacks who calls people trolls and other unsavory names if they don't agree with you, is that most people, including doctors, do not even know what ingredients are in vaccines.
I believe parents should be able to choose whether or not to administer vaccines, some or all, and to make an informed decision they need all the facts.
The erroneous claim made by you and others is that childhood vaccines do not contain any mercury anymore.
This is not true.
There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
(1 John 4:18)
This article first appeared at vaxtruth.org/2011/08/vaccine-ingredients/.
Vaccine Ingredients — A Comprehensive Guide
http://vaxtruth.org/2011/08/vaccine-ingredients/
"The adjuvant identified is aluminum hydroxide, a component of most of the currently used veterinary vaccines. An adjuvant used also in human vaccines."
UBC stands behind vaccine studies discredited by WHO
https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/lif...beandmail.com&
“I have a document from 2002 from the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA)… discussing the assessment of vaccine ingredients… and testing specifically in animal models. Back then, the FDA stated that the routine toxicity studies in animals with vaccine ingredients have not been conducted because it was assumed that these ingredients are safe. When I read that I was kind of pulling my hairs out [thinking] ‘So, this is your indisputable evidence of safety?’ These documents never made it to mainstream media. It’s just a lie perpetuated over and over again; that we’ve been using these things for over nine decades and it’s been proven safe. No, it’s been assumed safe.”
– Dr. Lucija Tomljenovic (source)
The mods allow this because in the truest sense of liberty, discussing things are how we learn. Of course in your case, their is no discussing-- just personal attacks, threats and taking things totally out of context.
ETA: The vaccine issue is definitely political, if you cannot see that your aren't paying attention then.
Last edited by donnay; 10-22-2017 at 10:31 AM.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
Which vaccines contain adjuvants? What is used? How much? What are "harmful amounts"?
Only some vaccines contain adjuvants.
Aluminum is present in U.S. childhood vaccines that prevent hepatitis A, hepatitis B, diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis (DTaP, Tdap), Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib), human papillomavirus (HPV) and pneumococcus infection.
Monophosphoryl lipid A is included in one human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine, Cervarix.In some vaccines, the weakened or inactivated virus stimulates a strong immune response so no additional adjuvant is needed for it to be effective to protect against infections. In the United States, vaccines against measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox, rotavirus, polio, and seasonal influenza vaccines do not contain added adjuvants.https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/co...adjuvants.html. Aluminum is one of the most common metals found in nature and is present in air, food, and water.
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-22-2017 at 11:49 AM.
Last edited by angelatc; 10-22-2017 at 12:05 PM.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
Sorry, but your sources are the ones not credible. (It is the CDC which said that adjuvants are used in vaccines- if they are lying, then there must be NO adjuvants in vacccines).
https://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodva.../ucm284520.htm
By comparision, one chocolate bar contains on average 40 milligrams of aluminum. Herbal tea- 40 mg. https://enveurope.springeropen.com/a...190-4715-23-37The FDA study found that the maximum amount of aluminum an infant could be exposed to over the first year of life would be 4.225 milligrams (mg), based on the recommended schedule of vaccines. Federal Regulations for biological products (including vaccines) limit the amount of aluminum in the recommended individual dose of biological products, including vaccines, to not more than 0.85-1.25 mg. For example, the amount of aluminum in the hepatitis B vaccine given at birth is 0.25 mg.
Aluminum is found naturally in large quantities in the environment, often consumed through drinking water or ingesting certain foods, such as infant formula.
One Hershey bar would give you the same exposure as 160 Hep A vaccines and ten times the amount a child would receive from all of their childhood vaccines combined.
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-22-2017 at 12:30 PM.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
For my cult who are reading these posts, here are a couple of sources:
Autoimmune/inflammatory syndrome induced by vaccine adjuvants (Shoenfeld’s syndrome)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23557271
Biopersistence and brain translocation of aluminum adjuvants of vaccines
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25699008
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
And you are no friend of liberty.
When it comes to vaccines, it is hardly likely we agree on anything. My sole point is that I was not addressing this issue, as you falsely claimed to setup your straw man attack.
I have beliefs about adjuvants based on the evidence, but I am not ignorant enough to call it "science" like some here like to proclaim, when the statement "the science is settled" in regards to vaccines is in itself an anti-science statement.
You spout your beliefs in vaccines as if they are all proven by science, but like many, you seem to use the guise of "science" to promote your own beliefs and agenda. I am guessing you also earn some income from the vaccine industry? Do you?
True science or "facts" is allowing people to know what ingredients are listed in each vaccine, so that, in the name of liberty, people can make up their own minds.
That is what I promote, and I would never want to deny someone who wants a vaccine the choice to purchase or receive that vaccine.
The anti-choice and anti-liberty crowd who believes in vaccines like a religion, wants to take those choices away and force people to accept their beliefs, usually in the name of "science."
That is not liberty - it is medical tyranny.
There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
(1 John 4:18)
Some of the cases occurred as much as five years following a vaccine? Average about a year and a half? That is a long lag time if the vaccine was the problem. They identified 300 cases out of a US population of 335 million- a pretty rare disease and they don't show that a vaccine necessarily caused the condition. If I get the flu six months after my measles vaccine, did the measles vaccine cause me to get the flu? (correlation is not causation). And they weren't kids getting vaccinated either.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28741088
The mean age at disease onset was 37 years, and the mean duration of time latency between adjuvant stimuli and development of autoimmune conditions was 16.8 months, ranging between 3 days to 5 years.
https://www.naturalmedicinejournal.c...adjuvants-asia
ASIA is thought to be a rare entity, which makes the identification and study of those affected challenging., not yet designated as a known disease or syndrome.I am tired. My mouth is dry. I sometimes forget things. "You have Autoimmune/inflammatory syndrome induced by vaccine adjuvants!"Clinically, patients with ASIA often present with generalized complaints, such as persistent fatigue, myalgia, arthralgia, neurologic symptoms, cognitive impairment/memory loss, or dry mouth. Any of these symptoms, in the absence of identifiable pathology, qualify as 1 of the major criteria developed by Shoenfeld/Agmon-Levin.
The "disease" was invented in 2011.
Autoimmune/Autoinflammatory Syndrome Induced by Adjuvants (ASIA) was first proposed as a distinct syndrome in 2011
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-22-2017 at 01:04 PM.
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