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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Corporations are groups of people, they have just as many rights as the people in the group.
    Then you end up with a Democracy, exactly what those like Jefferson, one of the first true Anti Federalists, wanted desperately to avoid at all costs. Does being a part of a group make any man "more" equal than any other man? That is exactly what is implied with Corporations and Democracy. "I am part of Group X, therefore my voice carries more weight than that individual." And Democracy is nothing more than the group with more people taking away the rights of the group with less people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Then you end up with a Democracy, exactly what those like Jefferson, one of the first true Anti Federalists, wanted desperately to avoid at all costs. Does being a part of a group make any man "more" equal than any other man? That is exactly what is implied with Corporations and Democracy. "I am part of Group X, therefore my voice carries more weight than that individual." And Democracy is nothing more than the group with more people taking away the rights of the group with less people.
    We are talking about speech, the voters and the legislators still hold the power.

    What you propose would allow the government to prevent any group from speaking as a group, the public would be relegated to speaking one at a time with little influence while the elite would wield power and influence in smoke filled back rooms.

    The cure for mob rule is constitutional restrictions like the Bill of Rights not letting the government limit speech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We are talking about speech, the voters and the legislators still hold the power.

    What you propose would allow the government to prevent any group from speaking as a group, the public would be relegated to speaking one at a time with little influence while the elite would wield power and influence in smoke filled back rooms.

    The cure for mob rule is constitutional restrictions like the Bill of Rights not letting the government limit speech.
    No, what I want is a smaller govt where there is no one in power for groups of any label to influence.

    Restriction of Govt IS Free Speech. That includes limiting govts privilege to listen only to the groups based on label, such as "Business" and "Corporation".
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintian an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    You are Ron Paul's Media!

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    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    No, what I want is a smaller govt where there is no one in power for groups of any label to influence.

    Restriction of Govt IS Free Speech. That includes limiting govts privilege to listen only to the groups based on label, such as "Business" and "Corporation".
    No you want to prevent businesses and corporations (groups you disagree with) from speaking, that is no different from AntiFa's position.

    We need less controls on speech not more, if you don't like the influence of businesses and corporations then compete with them, find or form your own group and lobby and campaign for candidates that support your beliefs, if the government can limit the ability of corporations to engage in political speech it can limit you and that is BAD.

    There is no way to force government to listen to you and forcing others not to speak will not help.
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Answer: Eliminate barriers to competition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    People should have Rights, not Corporations. Google is not acting like a person. And really, Google should be adhering itself to the Constitution, not manipulating lawmakers to bypass and circumvent existing protections so it can make more money at our expense.

    Just my two cents.
    You cannot regulate a corporation or business. Businesses are just dumb things. When you "regulate" a corporation what you are doing is telling the people in it what they can and cannot do. You violate their rights to say and do what they wish with their liberty and their property.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    No you want to prevent businesses and corporations (groups you disagree with) from speaking, that is no different from AntiFa's position.

    We need less controls on speech not more, if you don't like the influence of businesses and corporations then compete with them, find or form your own group and lobby and campaign for candidates that support your beliefs, if the government can limit the ability of corporations to engage in political speech it can limit you and that is BAD.

    There is no way to force government to listen to you and forcing others not to speak will not help.
    There is a big difference between using ones Freedom of Speech, and flat out BUYING Politicians. There is a big difference between an individuals free speech and corporations free speech. If you havent been paying attention, the corporations $#@! on us by manipulating and coercing and bribing our elected representatives. Elected. Yeah, that is kind of funny tho isnt it? The head of the FDA was already employed by Monsanto (now owned by Bayer), or has been offered a job at Monsanto once they leave their position of high power. Does that sound like corporations really have our best interests in mind?

    Corporations are NOT people, and being "a group of people" does not entitle them to more Rights than any one person, which is exactly what they are doing. If things were all peachy keen, then why is it that so many of our disastrous bills are flat out written by Corporate Lawyers and not even read at all by most of our representatives?
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintian an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    You are Ron Paul's Media!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    You cannot regulate a corporation or business. Businesses are just dumb things. When you "regulate" a corporation what you are doing is telling the people in it what they can and cannot do. You violate their rights to say and do what they wish with their liberty and their property.
    And they violate ours by coercion of govt by the ability to establish a Monopoly.

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    Should Google be Regulated? NO. Not unless they become such a monopoly that they are effectively a Utility.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintian an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    You are Ron Paul's Media!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    There is a big difference between using ones Freedom of Speech, and flat out BUYING Politicians. There is a big difference between an individuals free speech and corporations free speech. If you havent been paying attention, the corporations $#@! on us by manipulating and coercing and bribing our elected representatives. Elected. Yeah, that is kind of funny tho isnt it? The head of the FDA was already employed by Monsanto (now owned by Bayer), or has been offered a job at Monsanto once they leave their position of high power. Does that sound like corporations really have our best interests in mind?

    Corporations are NOT people, and being "a group of people" does not entitle them to more Rights than any one person, which is exactly what they are doing. If things were all peachy keen, then why is it that so many of our disastrous bills are flat out written by Corporate Lawyers and not even read at all by most of our representatives?
    Sorry to interject, here, but the problem with money in politics is NOT that people (or corporations) are buying politicians; it's that politicians have something to sell. If they didn't have the power to influence the market at all, it wouldn't matter who "had our best interests" in mind. Carry on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Sorry to interject, here, but the problem with money in politics is NOT that people (or corporations) are buying politicians; it's that politicians have something to sell. If they didn't have the power to influence the market at all, it wouldn't matter who "had our best interests" in mind. Carry on.
    Good point. Politicians sell their votes.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintian an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    You are Ron Paul's Media!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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