Trump folds again: Now US will NOT be pulling out of Paris Climate Accord

[donnay]

I have no clue how to post a tweet but this is straight from the white house.

Sarah Sanders‏Verified account
@PressSec

Our position on the Paris agreement has not changed. @POTUS has been clear, US withdrawing unless we get pro-America terms.
2:32 PM - 16 Sep 2017

https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/...s-agreement%2F

[bunklocoempire]

"pro-America terms"

Finally! No more vague talk about my flipping individual rights!

/s

[dannno]

I have no clue how to post a tweet but this is straight from the white house.



https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/...s-agreement%2F

[EBounding]

So... not withdrawing.

[dannno]

So... not withdrawing.

From the current agreement? Absolutely.

[shakey1]

flipped again... heads they win, tails we lose.

[EBounding]

What exactly was "fake news" from the original story again?

[Swordsmyth]

What exactly was "fake news" from the original story again?

Trump Administration Won’t Withdraw from Paris Climate Deal

On Saturday, European Commissioner for Climate Action and Energy Miguel Arias Cañete said the U.S. won’t withdraw from the deal.

“The U.S. has stated that they will not renegotiate the Paris accord, but they will try to review the terms on which they could be engaged under this agreement,” European Commissioner for Climate Action and Energy Miguel Arias Cañete said.

[EBounding]

Trump Administration Won’t Withdraw from Paris Climate Deal

On Saturday, European Commissioner for Climate Action and Energy Miguel Arias Cañete said the U.S. won’t withdraw from the deal.

“The U.S. has stated that they will not renegotiate the Paris accord, but they will try to review the terms on which they could be engaged under this agreement,” European Commissioner for Climate Action and Energy Miguel Arias Cañete said.

So Trump has withdrawn from the agreement?

[Zippyjuan]

So Trump has withdrawn from the agreement?

Can't withdraw within the next three year though abiding by it is voluntary.

[Swordsmyth]

So Trump has withdrawn from the agreement?

Trump's position is that we are pulling out unless something changes.

[EBounding]

Trump's position is that we are pulling out unless something changes.

Do you know what that "something" is? What parts of the agreement are good?

[Swordsmyth]

Do you know what that "something" is? What parts of the agreement are good?

I don't want us to be in the Paris accord, and I don't know what Trump might agree to, but I don't think the other members will agree to anything Trump will agree to.

[Origanalist]

I don't want us to be in the Paris accord, and I don't know what Trump might agree to, but I don't think the other members will agree to anything Trump will agree to.

That all sounds kind of fuzzy to me. Leaves a lot of leeway if you get my drift.

[Swordsmyth]

That all sounds kind of fuzzy to me. Leaves a lot of leeway if you get my drift.

I don't pretend Dump is perfect but we are still pulling out, if he agrees to something and puts us back in I will add it to the long list of things he has done wrong, but the Euro scum in the OP lied and claimed that Dump had changed his position when he hadn't.

[Origanalist]

I don't pretend Dump is perfect but we are still pulling out, if he agrees to something and puts us back in I will add it to the long list of things he has done wrong, but the Euro scum in the OP lied and claimed that Dump had changed his position when he hadn't.

Or he's telling them one thing and us another, it's been known to happen.

[Swordsmyth]

Or he's telling them one thing and us another, it's been known to happen.

But which is the lie if you are right?

When he does something we can talk about it, until then these rumors from Euro scum and anonymous leakers are a waste of time.

[Zippyjuan]

I don't pretend Dump is perfect but we are still pulling out, if he agrees to something and puts us back in I will add it to the long list of things he has done wrong, but the Euro scum in the OP lied and claimed that Dump had changed his position when he hadn't.

Trump hasn't said he WILL pull out. He said he would CONSIDER pulling out if he can't get a better deal. He has three years (the rest of his term) to think about it.

When he does something we can talk about it, until then these rumors from Euro scum and anonymous leakers are a waste of time.

He hasn't done anything yet.

[Origanalist]

But which is the lie if you are right?

When he does something we can talk about it, until then these rumors from Euro scum and anonymous leakers are a waste of time.

Ok, if you say so. I would really hate to waste time.

[Swordsmyth]

Trump hasn't said he WILL pull out. He said he would CONSIDER pulling out if he can't get a better deal. He has three years (the rest of his term) to think about it.



He hasn't done anything yet.

it took about 10 minutes for the White House to deny the WSJ report, with the NYT and Bloomberg reporting that a White House spokesman has denied the WSJ story claiming US might stay in Paris accords, saying "position hasn't changed." Bloomberg confirms the White House comment, stating that there is "no change" in the US position on the Paris Deal, and that US will withdraw unless presented with "more favorable terms."

Sarah Sanders‏Verified account
@PressSec

Our position on the Paris agreement has not changed. @potuS has been clear, US withdrawing unless we get pro-America terms.
2:32 PM - 16 Sep 2017 https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/...s-agreement%2F

[Zippyjuan]

it took about 10 minutes for the White House to deny the WSJ report, with the NYT and Bloomberg reporting that a White House spokesman has denied the WSJ story claiming US might stay in Paris accords, saying "position hasn't changed." Bloomberg confirms the White House comment, stating that there is "no change" in the US position on the Paris Deal, and that US will withdraw unless presented with "more favorable terms."

Sarah Sanders‏Verified account
@PressSec

Our position on the Paris agreement has not changed. @potuS has been clear, US withdrawing unless we get pro-America terms.
2:32 PM - 16 Sep 2017 https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/...s-agreement%2F

"Unless we get pro- American terms"- not leaving now, might later. Trying to re-negotiate for now.

What is his original position he is not changing from? From his "official position" speech in June:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/01/politi...ion/index.html

Speaking from the White House, Trump said he was open to renegotiating aspects of the agreement, which was inked under his predecessor and which all nations except two have signed onto.

"We want fair treatment," Trump said. "We don't want other countries and other leaders to laugh at us anymore."

In triggering the official withdrawal procedures, Trump has sparked a lengthy process that won't conclude until November 2020 -- the same month he's up for reelection, ensuring the issue becomes a major topic of debate in the next presidential contest.

In his remarks, Trump said he was open to re-brokering US carbon reduction commitments, but didn't express any urgency in bringing the US back into the deal, which he claimed placed "draconian" financial burdens on the American people.

"We're getting out," he said. "And we will start to renegotiate and we'll see if there's a better deal. If we can, great. If we can't, that's fine."

He can say he wants to leave now, but it won't be official and done until 2020. Meanwhile, they will continue to talk about it. And that is "sticking to his position." (noting that the official statements issued this week didn't dispute any claims or say what his "original position" was- only that they would be "sticking to it". )

[Swordsmyth]

"Unless we get pro- American terms"- not leaving now, might later. Trying to re-negotiate for now.

From his allegedly "official position" speech in June:

You lack reading comprehension, WE ARE LEAVING, WE MIGHT AGREE TO STAY IF WE GET A "BETTER DEAL", BUT UNTIL THAT HAPPENS (and it won't) WE ARE LEAVING.

In triggering the official withdrawal procedures, Trump has sparked a lengthy process that won't conclude until November 2020 -- the same month he's up for reelection, ensuring the issue becomes a major topic of debate in the next presidential contest.

In his remarks, Trump said he was open to re-brokering US carbon reduction commitments, but didn't express any urgency in bringing the US back into the deal, which he claimed placed "draconian" financial burdens on the American people.

"We're getting out," he said. "And we will start to renegotiate and we'll see if there's a better deal. If we can, great. If we can't, that's fine."

[Zippyjuan]

You lack reading comprehension, WE ARE LEAVING, WE MIGHT AGREE TO STAY IF WE GET A "BETTER DEAL", BUT UNTIL THAT HAPPENS (and it won't) WE ARE LEAVING.

won't conclude until November 2020

Nothing is official until it is official (which is something you also say). That happens in November, 2020.

"And we will start to renegotiate

If he was 100% going to leave, there would be no point in renegotiating.

The threat of leaving is a bargaining tactic.

[Swordsmyth]

Nothing is official until it is official (which is something you also say). That happens in November, 2020.

I never said it was done yet, but the process has started, unless it is stopped we are leaving, the Euro scum claimed that that had changed but it hasn't, IF it does then we can talk about it.

[Zippyjuan]

I never said it was done yet, but the process has started, unless it is stopped we are leaving, the Euro scum claimed that that had changed but it hasn't, IF it does then we can talk about it.

If you say so.

WE ARE LEAVING,

With all caps, you make it sound like you consider it a final, done deal.

[Swordsmyth]

If you say so.

I did not say "WE HAVE LEFT".

Is English a second language for you?

[Zippyjuan]

I did not say "WE HAVE LEFT".

Is English a second language for you?

Que?

[timosman]

I did not say "WE HAVE LEFT".

Is English a second language for you?

No, I just play dumb for a living.

[EBounding]

Days since Trump has been president: 242
Days since Trump Withdrew from the Paris Accord: N/A

Maybe today will be the day? He's in the EU right?

[RJB]

If he was 100% going to leave, there would be no point in renegotiating.

The threat of leaving is a bargaining tactic.

So I am confused. You usually seem to like the Paris Accord, yet here you seem upset that Trump might keep us in the Paris Accord? Would you prefer we stay or go?