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    Exclamation Trump folds again: Now US will NOT be pulling out of Paris Climate Accord

    One of the few things I could support him on.

    I give the $#@! up.


    Trump Administration Won’t Withdraw from Paris Climate Deal

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-a...eal-1505593922

    U.S. has stated it will ‘not renegotiate the Paris accord’ but will review its terms

    In a June 1 speech at the White House, President Donald Trump said the U.S. would leave the Paris climate accords. On Saturday, European Commissioner for Climate Action and Energy Miguel Arias Cañete said the U.S. won’t withdraw from the deal.

    By Emre Peker

    Updated Sept. 16, 2017 4:40 p.m. ET
    6 COMMENTS

    NEW YORK—Trump administration officials said Saturday the U.S. wouldn’t pull out of the Paris Agreement, offering to re-engage in the international deal to fight climate change, according to the European Union’s top energy official.

    The shift from President Donald Trump’s decision in June to renegotiate the landmark accord or craft a new deal came during a meeting of more than 30 ministers led by Canada, China and the European Union in Montreal.

    “The U.S. has stated that they will not renegotiate the Paris accord, but they will try to review the terms on which they could be engaged under this agreement,” European Commissioner for Climate Action and Energy Miguel Arias Cañete said.



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    More rumors, I'll wait and see what actually happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    More rumors, I'll wait and see what actually happens.
    LOL

    When Trump said we'd leave the accord on June 1, that was the rumor. Now you are seeing what's actually happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    LOL

    When Trump said we'd leave the accord on June 1, that was the rumor. Now you are seeing what's actually happening.
    So all the enviro regs that Trump stopped or rolled back mean he wants to sign on to the Paris accord?

    This is just more rumors from anonymous sources and some Euro idiot trying to jawbone us back into the herd, talk to me when Trump signs something.
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    General Kelly I presume?
    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    One of the few things I could support him on.

    I give the $#@! up.


    Trump Administration Won’t Withdraw from Paris Climate Deal

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-a...eal-1505593922

    U.S. has stated it will ‘not renegotiate the Paris accord’ but will review its terms

    In a June 1 speech at the White House, President Donald Trump said the U.S. would leave the Paris climate accords. On Saturday, European Commissioner for Climate Action and Energy Miguel Arias Cañete said the U.S. won’t withdraw from the deal.

    By Emre Peker

    Updated Sept. 16, 2017 4:40 p.m. ET
    6 COMMENTS

    NEW YORK—Trump administration officials said Saturday the U.S. wouldn’t pull out of the Paris Agreement, offering to re-engage in the international deal to fight climate change, according to the European Union’s top energy official.

    The shift from President Donald Trump’s decision in June to renegotiate the landmark accord or craft a new deal came during a meeting of more than 30 ministers led by Canada, China and the European Union in Montreal.

    “The U.S. has stated that they will not renegotiate the Paris accord, but they will try to review the terms on which they could be engaged under this agreement,” European Commissioner for Climate Action and Energy Miguel Arias Cañete said.
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    LOL

    When Trump said we'd leave the accord on June 1, that was the rumor. Now you are seeing what's actually happening.

    White House Denies WSJ Report That Trump Will Not Withdraw From Paris Climate Deal

    Update: it took about 10 minutes for the White House to deny the WSJ report, with the NYT and Bloomberg reporting that a White House spokesman has denied the WSJ story claiming US might stay in Paris accords, saying "position hasn't changed." Bloomberg confirms the White House comment, stating that there is "no change" in the US position on the Paris Deal, and that US will withdraw unless presented with "more favorable terms."
    WH spox denies WSJ story claiming US might stay in Paris accords -- saying position hasn't changed...
    — Glenn Thrush (@GlennThrush) September 16, 2017
    We were told earlier today a US official said in Montreal at climate ministers mtg US open to staying in Paris accord & just tweak elements. https://t.co/GeKHGC1zEz
    — Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) September 16, 2017
    Meanwhile, it now appears that the locus of "fake news" has shifted from DC to Brussels...

    More at: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...s-climate-deal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    So all the enviro regs that Trump stopped or rolled back mean he wants to sign on to the Paris accord?

    This is just more rumors from anonymous sources and some Euro idiot trying to jawbone us back into the herd, talk to me when Trump signs something.
    Much of that was merely stopping new rules from taking effect- not removing existing ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Much of that was merely stopping new rules from taking effect- not removing existing ones.
    Originally Posted by Swordsmyth
    So all the enviro regs that Trump stopped or rolled back mean he wants to sign on to the Paris accord?


    White House Denies WSJ Report That Trump Will Not Withdraw From Paris Climate Deal

    Update: it took about 10 minutes for the White House to deny the WSJ report, with the NYT and Bloomberg reporting that a White House spokesman has denied the WSJ story claiming US might stay in Paris accords, saying "position hasn't changed." Bloomberg confirms the White House comment, stating that there is "no change" in the US position on the Paris Deal, and that US will withdraw unless presented with "more favorable terms."
    WH spox denies WSJ story claiming US might stay in Paris accords -- saying position hasn't changed...
    — Glenn Thrush (@GlennThrush) September 16, 2017
    We were told earlier today a US official said in Montreal at climate ministers mtg US open to staying in Paris accord & just tweak elements. https://t.co/GeKHGC1zEz
    — Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) September 16, 2017
    Meanwhile, it now appears that the locus of "fake news" has shifted from DC to Brussels...

    More at: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...s-climate-deal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    White House Denies WSJ Report That Trump Will Not Withdraw From Paris Climate Deal

    Update: it took about 10 minutes for the White House to deny the WSJ report, with the NYT and Bloomberg reporting that a White House spokesman has denied the WSJ story claiming US might stay in Paris accords, saying "position hasn't changed." Bloomberg confirms the White House comment, stating that there is "no change" in the US position on the Paris Deal, and that US will withdraw unless presented with "more favorable terms."
    WH spox denies WSJ story claiming US might stay in Paris accords -- saying position hasn't changed...
    — Glenn Thrush (@GlennThrush) September 16, 2017
    We were told earlier today a US official said in Montreal at climate ministers mtg US open to staying in Paris accord & just tweak elements. https://t.co/GeKHGC1zEz
    — Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) September 16, 2017
    Meanwhile, it now appears that the locus of "fake news" has shifted from DC to Brussels...

    More at: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...s-climate-deal
    Well, OK then, fake news.

    My mistake.

    Disregard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Much of that was merely stopping new rules from taking effect- not removing existing ones.
    I'm happy enough to just have that happening.

    Environmental and "healthcare" fatwas will be the tools used to utterly kill any vestiges of freedom and personal autonomy we have left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    White House Denies WSJ Report That Trump Will Not Withdraw From Paris Climate Deal

    Update: it took about 10 minutes for the White House to deny the WSJ report, with the NYT and Bloomberg reporting that a White House spokesman has denied the WSJ story claiming US might stay in Paris accords, saying "position hasn't changed." Bloomberg confirms the White House comment, stating that there is "no change" in the US position on the Paris Deal, and that US will withdraw unless presented with "more favorable terms."
    WH spox denies WSJ story claiming US might stay in Paris accords -- saying position hasn't changed...
    — Glenn Thrush (@GlennThrush) September 16, 2017
    We were told earlier today a US official said in Montreal at climate ministers mtg US open to staying in Paris accord & just tweak elements. https://t.co/GeKHGC1zEz
    — Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) September 16, 2017
    Meanwhile, it now appears that the locus of "fake news" has shifted from DC to Brussels...

    More at: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...s-climate-deal
    will withdraw unless presented with "more favorable terms"
    Which means they are working on re-negotiating it- not walking away from it. At least not yet. Threatening to walk away is a negotiation tactic.

    What he said in the past:

    In June, Trump said the United States would begin the three-year process for withdrawing while simultaneously signaling he was willing to reconsider if the United States could get more favorable terms.

    “So we're getting out, but we will start to negotiate, and we’ll see if we can make a deal that’s fair,” Trump said.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ent/673988001/

    The treaty is also non- binding on countries.

    Under the terms of the international agreement to reduce greenhouse gases, the earliest a nation can formally withdraw is November 2020 — the same month Trump faces re-election. But because the greenhouse gas reduction targets are largely voluntary, Trump said he would immediately "cease all implementation of the non-binding Paris Accord."
    Trump also said he was going to walk away from NAFTA but they are working on re-negotiating it as well.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 09-16-2017 at 04:00 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Which means they are working on re-negotiating it- not walking away from it. Threatening to walk away is a negotiation tactic.
    It means his position has not changed, he also said he did not think it was possible to get a deal that would be acceptable, claiming you are open to a "better deal" is a way to keep the enviro-morons of your back while killing the deal with unsatisfiable demands, he seems to be doing the same thing to NAFTA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Threatening to walk away is a negotiation tactic.
    Thank you Mr. Obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I'm happy enough to just have that happening.

    Environmental and "healthcare" fatwas will be the tools used to utterly kill any vestiges of freedom and personal autonomy we have left.
    You could replace the words 'environmental' and 'healthcare' with 'immigration' and your sentence could read the same.
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    Why not just pull out of it 8 months ago?
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    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...-never-n801826

    This is the desired effect. Let States and cities decide whether or not they want to participate in these regulations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Originally Posted by Swordsmyth
    So all the enviro regs that Trump stopped or rolled back mean he wants to sign on to the Paris accord?


    White House Denies WSJ Report That Trump Will Not Withdraw From Paris Climate Deal

    Update: it took about 10 minutes for the White House to deny the WSJ report, with the NYT and Bloomberg reporting that a White House spokesman has denied the WSJ story claiming US might stay in Paris accords, saying "position hasn't changed." Bloomberg confirms the White House comment, stating that there is "no change" in the US position on the Paris Deal, and that US will withdraw unless presented with "more favorable terms."
    WH spox denies WSJ story claiming US might stay in Paris accords -- saying position hasn't changed...
    — Glenn Thrush (@GlennThrush) September 16, 2017
    We were told earlier today a US official said in Montreal at climate ministers mtg US open to staying in Paris accord & just tweak elements. https://t.co/GeKHGC1zEz
    — Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) September 16, 2017
    Meanwhile, it now appears that the locus of "fake news" has shifted from DC to Brussels...

    More at: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...s-climate-deal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Well, OK then, fake news.

    My mistake.

    Disregard.
    It never ends.
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    This is why Paul Ryan and Mitch and all the rest need to lay aside their petty foolishness and deal with the President. Trump went up there to get stuff done, and he's going to deal with whoever comes to the table.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Much of that was merely stopping new rules from taking effect- not removing existing ones.
    Which is as it should be . There should be no new rules or taxes .

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    Trump folds again:
    assumes $hit was believed in the first place
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I'm happy enough to just have that happening.

    Environmental and "healthcare" fatwas will be the tools used to utterly kill any vestiges of freedom and personal autonomy we have left.
    The parallels between Trumps art of the deal progressive policies are striking. Trump in spirit and rhetoric says he is against the Paris climate accord. Yet we know the government is still trying to make other government's do more and we probably haven't broken any of the rules we made ourselves. He did the same thing with healthcare, when there was republican consensus to repeal so he pushed for more Obama care instead of repeal and now more people are talking about single payer then ever something he defended in the debates.

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    Can we impeach him yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    What terms of giving up our sovereignty are favorable?
    None, but I don't think Dump really wants to make a deal, he just says the "more favorable terms" line so they can't call him unreasonable.

    Even if he has a price he would sell out for on this the other side won't pay it, so we are safe for now.
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    Eh, who knows what the $#@! to believe anymore...so much scatterbrained bull$#@! that I can't make sense of any of it.




    NEW YORK—The Trump administration is considering staying in the Paris agreement to fight climate change “under the right conditions,” offering to re-engage in the international deal three months after President Donald Trump said the U.S. would pull out if it didn’t find more favorable terms.

    During a climate-change meeting Saturday of more than 30 ministers led by Canada, China and the European Union, in Montreal, U.S. officials broached revising U.S. climate-change goals, two participants said, signaling a compromise that would keep the U.S. at the table even if it meant weakening the international effort. Still, the move would maintain international unity behind the painstakingly negotiated Paris accord, after Mr. Trump suggested he might seek a new agreement.

    On Sunday, U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said on CBS that Mr. Trump is “open to finding those conditions where we can remain engaged with others on what we all agree is still a challenging issue.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-a...eal-1505593922

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Eh, who knows what the $#@! to believe anymore...so much scatterbrained bull$#@! that I can't make sense of any of it.




    NEW YORK—The Trump administration is considering staying in the Paris agreement to fight climate change “under the right conditions,” offering to re-engage in the international deal three months after President Donald Trump said the U.S. would pull out if it didn’t find more favorable terms.

    During a climate-change meeting Saturday of more than 30 ministers led by Canada, China and the European Union, in Montreal, U.S. officials broached revising U.S. climate-change goals, two participants said, signaling a compromise that would keep the U.S. at the table even if it meant weakening the international effort. Still, the move would maintain international unity behind the painstakingly negotiated Paris accord, after Mr. Trump suggested he might seek a new agreement.

    On Sunday, U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said on CBS that Mr. Trump is “open to finding those conditions where we can remain engaged with others on what we all agree is still a challenging issue.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-a...eal-1505593922
    Between Dump and the fakenews you can't really believe anything until he actually does it.

    I still don't believe that he will agree to anything that the Paris accord member will agree to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    None, but I don't think Dump really wants to make a deal, he just says the "more favorable terms" line so they can't call him unreasonable.

    Even if he has a price he would sell out for on this the other side won't pay it, so we are safe for now.
    Thanks for the 'splainin, I feel so much better now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Can we impeach him yet?
    If you want to make things even worse, go ahead and put your energy toward that..
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    Why not just pull out of it 8 months ago?
    Shhhhh... Please! You're ruining my suspension of disbelief.

    The truth HAS to be much, much more complicated for peasants to get the most out of this poorly written/acted puppet show.
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