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    Trump & Democrats Near Agreement on DACA

    Bah ha ha ha ha!

    Trump, Democrats Near Agreement on DACA, Border Security
    Pelosi, Schumer say in statement that deal doesn’t include funding for border wall

    WASHINGTON—President Donald Trump and congressional Democrats closed in on a deal to give legal status to undocumented immigrants who were brought to the U.S. as children.

    Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y.) and House Minority Leader Nancy said in a joint statement that, over dinner at the White House, they had agreed with Mr. Trump on the outlines of a deal to enshrine protections for these young immigrants into law “quickly” and to “work out a package of border security, excluding the wall, that’s acceptable to both sides.”

    A separate White House statement called the meeting “constructive” but stopped short of announcing the framework for an agreement. After the Democrats’ statement was issued, a White House official said that no agreement was reached.

    In recent days, both sides appeared to be edging toward this formulation, with Democrats agreeing to include border-security measures, and the White House signaling it would accept the immigrant protections without insisting that the legislation also include funding for the southwest border-wall package.

    Earlier in the day, Mr. Trump had courted Democrats on the subject at a bipartisan meeting, and the dinner Wednesday evening was at his invitation.

    Even before the agreement was announced, these overtures have conservatives worried that the president will agree to a plan without strong immigration enforcement that Republicans favor. In response to those concerns, Mr. Trump said he was hoping for a bipartisan deal and planned to continue talking.

    “Some of the greatest legislation ever passed, it was done on a bipartisan manner. And so that is why we’re going to give it a shot,” he told reporters.

    Even before the agreement was announced, these overtures have conservatives worried that the president will agree to a plan without strong immigration enforcement that Republicans favor. It is unclear whether GOP leaders or members of Congress will fall in line with the agreement that Democrats say was reached.

    On Wednesday afternoon, Mr. Trump brushed off GOP concerns. He told reporters that he was hoping for a bipartisan deal and planned to continue talking.

    Mr. Trump raised the subject of the young immigrants at a bipartisan meeting of lawmakers that had been billed as a discussion on a tax overhaul.

    Rep. Josh Gottheimer, a New Jersey Democrat who sat next to Mr. Trump during that meeting, said in an interview afterward that Mr. Trump made “clear that he is open and eager to get bipartisan legislation” to resolve the issue of these immigrants.

    Other Democrats at the meeting said Mr. Trump appeared willing to consider the border wall funding separately from the discussion of the young immigrants but suggested he may want a package to include new limits on legal immigration.
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    You actually believe that?

    I thought we've been over this. Pretty much everything CNN, WSJ and NYT writes about Trump are lies. You might want to wait a little before laughing. It makes you look silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    You actually believe that?

    I thought we've been over this. Pretty much everything CNN, WSJ and NYT writes about Trump are lies. You might want to wait a little before laughing. It makes you look silly.
    I mean, if it makes you feel better...
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    I mean, if it makes you feel better...
    Well they are going to look silly as well.
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    Hahahhahahahahh.

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    See, now you just look silly.
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    "The Wall" is going to be a separate issue. Trump wants DACA into law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    See, now you just look silly.
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    Not going to happen.
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    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.

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    Please merge these threads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    Trump wants DACA into law.
    Why do you think that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    "The Wall" is going to be a separate issue. Trump wants DACA into law.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Why do you think that?
    Check out this report from CNN--I mean Donald Trump:


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    Deal or no deal? Trump says he did NOT make an agreement with Democrats on 'Dreamers' and border security despite Chuck and Nancy's claims: 'THE WALL...will continue to be built'

    The deal was announced last night by leading Democrats Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi after a dinner at the White House with the president

    They said that Trump agreed to enshrine protections for 800,000 illegal immigrants, aka Dreamers, in a border security package 'excluding the wall'

    White House press secretary Sarah Sanders later said that there was no agreement on the wall during the meeting

    President Trump said the same thing in a string of tweets on Thursday morning

    'No deal was made last night on DACA. Massive border security would have to be agreed to in exchange for consent. Would be subject to vote,' he said

    Follow up message: 'The WALL, which is already under construction in the form of new renovation of old and existing fences and walls, will continue to be built'

    Trump again pushed Congress to pass legislation protecing the immigrants - but said he wanted 'BIG border security'


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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    Check out this report from CNN--I mean Donald Trump:


    You just don't understand how Trump operates, do you even art of the deal bro?
    "The Patriarch"

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post

    Not going to happen.
    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    All a smoke screen folks. He was with the Democrats to discuss Medicare for All.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    You just don't understand how Trump operates, do you even art of the deal bro?
    That's true. This is obviously a big Alpha Male move that cucks can't understand!
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    That's true. This is obviously a big Alpha Male move that cucks can't understand!
    Lying about what he said about the wall was a alpha move by Pelosi you're saying?
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    Sorry you're not going to get me to defend Pelosi :P

    But why would Trump meet with Pelosi and Schumer if he didn't want DACA to become law?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    But why would Trump meet with Pelosi and Schumer if he didn't want DACA to become law?
    Wow, that is a fantastic argument, well played, I can't possibly think of ANY other reason in the entire world why the President would meet with congressional leaders, other than he wants to give up on a campaign promise.. I mean, what other reason would they have to meet with each other, ever?
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Somebody is lying, either Dump never made such a deal or he is going back on it, either way this test run failed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Wow, that is a fantastic argument, well played, I can't possibly think of ANY other reason in the entire world why the President would meat with congressional leaders, other than he wants to give up on a campaign promise.. I mean, what other reason would they have to meet with each other, ever?
    When did he say he would deport 800k of "dreamers" during the campaign ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    Bah ha ha ha ha!

    Trump, Democrats Near Agreement on DACA, Border Security
    Pelosi, Schumer say in statement that deal doesn’t include funding for border wall
    Bah ha ha ha ha!

    WE WILL BUILD A WALL (NOT A FENCE)

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    Silly thread is silly.
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    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Silly thread is silly.


    His campaign promise was for Mexico to pay for the wall... remains to be seen if Mexico will kow to yet more Best Deals for nobody from America. Mexicans should die for our war on drugs, and give us money to contain their peasants.



    Get real, his great wall can't stop the globalization of markets, human trafficking, nor street gangs from doing the will of the USG cartels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Get real, his great wall can't stop the globalization of markets, human trafficking, nor street gangs from doing the will of the USG cartels.
    Nothing is inevitable. We've had globalist periods before, and they were stopped, by various actions. Human actions matter. Globalism ebbs and flows. Crime ebbs and flows. Actions, and especially massive actions (such as building a continental wall), do have an effect on history.

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    Thomas Massie 2020, or Rand?

    This is pretty close to a resignation from Trump. Time to start looking seriously for a 2020 presidential candidate, IMO. Even if he's not leaving now, he will be after his present term is finished. He's done, stick a fork in 'em!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    This is pretty close to a resignation from Trump. Time to start looking seriously for a 2020 presidential candidate, IMO. Even if he's not leaving now, he will be after his present term is finished. He's done, stick a fork in 'em!
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    Here's the deal. The dems can have their 800k dreamers in return for the Wall.
    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

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    "Border security" is going to be part of the DACA deal--the wall is going to be separate.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...913-story.html
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