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Thread: Does the Claim that Only 1 in a Million are Harmed by Vaccines Have Any Merit?

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    Marco Caceres of The Vaccine Reaction takes a look at the government and pharmaceutical claims that vaccines are safe, and that adverse reactions to vaccines are only about 1 in a million.

    Is this a claim based on any facts? Or is it mainly just a statement of belief?

    The point that is often missed in this debate is that there is one thing that is NOT disputed, and that everyone agrees about: vaccines injure and kill people. If this were not the case, the U.S. Government would not have a special “Vaccine Court” that paid out millions of dollars of damages to victims of vaccine injuries and deaths.

    One of the few places to find data on vaccine injuries is the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database.

    But do most doctors and healthcare professionals utilize this database by submitting cases of vaccine injuries?

    An emergency room nurse published his experience in dealing with the volume of vaccine injuries he was seeing, and how reluctant other medical personnel were in reporting these injuries to VAERS:

    As an E.R. nurse, I have seen the cover up. Where do you think kids go when they have a vaccine reaction?

    They go to the E.R.

    They come to me.

    I cannot even begin to guess how many times over the years I have seen vaccine reactions come through my E.R. Without any exaggeration, it has to be counted in the hundreds.

    Sometimes it seemed like it was one or two cases in a single shift, every shift, for weeks. Then I would get a lull, and I wouldn’t catch one for a week or two, then I’d catch another case per night for a couple weeks. This was common.

    Once, I was training a nursing student, about to graduate, on their E.R. experience rotation in nursing school. This student and I floated up to triage to cover the triage nurse for a break. I was quizzing them on what to ask and look for as a triage nurse on pediatric kids that came through. I made a point about asking about immunizations right out the gates. The student was puzzled, and asked why, and I told the student because we see vaccine reactions every day and it’s their job to catch it, alert the doctor and the parents, and report it to VAERS.

    Some higher power apparently smiled on my attempt to open the eyes of another nurse I guess, because not even ten minutes later, a woman brought her child up to the counter. Sudden onset super high fever and lethargy. I asked if the child was up to date on vaccination.

    The mother replied he had them just a few hours ago.

    I glanced at the student, who looked shocked and looked back at me in disbelief. I nodded, told them to remember this, and then took the mom and her child to finish the triage in back. When I was done I came back and sat down with the student, and asked what he learned that night so far.

    The first response: “What I was told about vaccines wasn’t true”.

    I couldn’t have said it better. That student is going to go on to be like me, advocating for his patients with his eyes wide open.

    The cases almost always presented similarly, and often no one else connected it. The child comes in with either a fever approaching 105, or seizures, or lethargy/can’t wake up, or sudden overwhelming sickness, screaming that won’t stop, spasms, GI inclusion, etc.

    And one of the first questions I would ask as triage nurse, was, are they current on their vaccinations? It’s a safe question that nobody sees coming, and nobody understands the true impact of. Parents (and co-workers) usually just think I’m trying to rule out the vaccine preventable diseases, when in fact, I am looking to see how recently they were vaccinated to determine if this is a vaccine reaction.

    Too often I heard a parent say something akin to “Yes they are current, the pediatrician caught up their vaccines this morning during their check up, and the pediatrician said they were in perfect health!”

    If I had a dollar for every time I’d heard that, I could fly to Europe for free.

    But here’s the more disturbing part.

    For all the cases I’ve seen, I have NEVER seen any medical provider report them to VAERS. I have filed VAERS reports. But I am the ONLY nurse I have EVER met that files VAERS reports.

    Mind you, I have served in multiple hospitals across multiple states, alongside probably well over a hundred doctors and probably 300-400+ nurses.

    I’ve worked in big hospitals (San Francisco Bay Area Metro 40 bed ER, Las Vegas NV Metro 44 bed ER) and small hospitals (Rural access 2 bed ER, remote community 4 bed ER) and everything in between.

    When I say NEVER, I mean NEVER.

    I have even made a point of sitting in the most prominent spot at the nurses station filling out a VAERS report to make sure as many people saw me doing it as possible to generate the expected “what are you doing” responses to get that dialog going with people.

    And in every case, if a nurse approached me, their response was “I’ve never done that” or “I didn’t know we could do that” or, worse “What is VAERS?” which was actually the most common response.

    The response from doctors? Silence. Absolute total refusal to engage in discussion or to even acknowledge what I was doing or what VAERS was.

    The big take away from that?

    VAERS is WOEFULLY under reported.

    I am PROOF of that. (Read the full blog post here.)
    Odds of Vaccine Harm are One in a Million?

    It is commonly believed that vaccines are safe. Many doctors and public health officials will tell you that serious adverse effects from vaccines are “extremely rare”—that they occur in less than “one in a million” vaccine doses given.

    One in a million.

    It sounds like pretty good odds that you would be fine. [1, 2, 3, 4] However, is this one in a million merely an idiom being used to convey the idea that the odds are very small, or is it truly a fact based on accurate and observable data?

    According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), “Any medication can cause a severe allergic reaction. Such reactions from a vaccine are very rare, estimated at fewer than 1 in a million doses, and usually happen within a few minutes to a few hours after the vaccination.” The CDC adds, “As with any medicine, there is a very remote chance of a vaccine causing a serious injury or death.” [1]

    But what is the basis for the CDC using phrases like “very rare” and “very remote”? What is the basis for the estimate of “fewer than 1 in a million doses”?

    One of the ways the U.S. government monitors vaccine safety is through the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)—”a national vaccine safety surveillance program jointly run by CDC and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).” [5]

    VAERS serves as an early warning system to detect possible safety issues with U.S. vaccines by collecting information about adverse events (possible side effects or health problems) that occur after vaccination. [5] VAERS was created in 1990 in response to the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act. If any health problem happens after vaccination, anyone—doctors, nurses, vaccine manufacturers, and any member of the general public – can submit a report to VAERS. [5]
    Actually, VAERS was not created in response to the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA), it was an integral part of the vaccine safety provisions secured in that law by the co-founders of the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) to gather critical information on health problems occurring after vaccination that could be analyzed and used to prevent vaccine injuries and deaths. VAERS is a national vaccine reaction monitoring system that all doctors and other vaccine providers are required per the 1986 law to report to when a person who has been given a federally recommended vaccine experiences serious health problems, is permanently injured or dies.

    It seems fairly straightforward. An early warning system to detect health problems that may occur after vaccinations. Certainly, over time, such a system would show whether certain vaccines were more problematic than others or whether there was an obvious pattern of harm caused by government recommended and mandated vaccines in general.

    The problem is that VAERS was never designed to scientifically estimate the incidence of vaccine adverse effects or to determine cause and effect in terms of each individual reports. It was designed to be a post-marketing tool to identify serious vaccine reactions that are not identified in pre-licensure clinical trials. In addition, it is a monitoring system that provides at least some transparency. It gives descriptions of vaccine reaction symptoms and related health problems, injuries and deaths that not only doctors administering vaccines, but also the people who receive vaccines can directly can report to and access.

    And if all vaccine providers would report, it would give a much clearer picture of what is happening after millions of vaccinations are given in the U.S. every year, which could serve to stimulate well designed research into reported vaccine adverse effects. The CDC uses the large electronic medical records Vaccine Safety Database (VSD) from eight HMOs (health maintenance organizations) to do that. The VSD “conducts vaccine safety studies based on questions or concerns raised from the medical literature and reports” to VAERS. [6]

    But all vaccine providers do not report to VAERS. In fact, most don’t. That is one of the big flaws in the system for gauging injuries and deaths associated with or caused by vaccines. Estimates of the percentage of reactions to vaccines that are actually reported to VAERS range between one and 10 percent. [7, 8]

    Many doctors, nurses, and other health care professionals who administer vaccines are busy and reporting to VAERS has not been made a high priority in standard of care. Or they do not associate the events with the vaccinations because they have been taught to simply believe vaccines are safe and, therefore, health problems that occur after vaccination couldn’t possibly be the cause and are usually only a “coincidence.” Imagine the impact of this kind of circular logic on reporting rates. [9, 10, 11, 12]

    According to computer scientist Steven Rubin, PhD:

    Because the reports are submitted voluntarily, many patients and doctors do not report vaccine reactions. Different estimates exist for the amount of underreporting and range from a factor of 10 to as much as a factor of 100 (meaning that the true number of vaccine reactions is between 10 and 100 times higher than what is reported to VAERS). [13]
    It is important to stress that, although there is a requirement under the 1986 law for vaccine providers to report to VAERS, there are no legal penalties or fines for not reporting. As Barbara Loe Fisher of NVIC has noted, the NCVIA, in which Congress established VAERS, “contained no legal sanctions for not reporting; doctors can refuse to report and suffer no consequences.” [12]

    Additionally, many within the medical community are not even aware that VAERS exists. As Suzanne Humphries said in a 2016 interview, “It was never told to me, there were no posters in the hospital about the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. I didn’t know that there was a reporting system for any drug, let alone for vaccines.” [14] There are countless vaccine reactions that have occurred over the years that will never be a part of the public record because for this reason alone.

    In a study published in the American Journal of Epidemiology, Thomas Verstraeten, MD and his research team wrote:

    The proportion of cases of an adverse event after vaccination that are reported to VAERS (i.e., VAERS reporting completeness) is mostly unknown. Therefore, the risk of such an event cannot be derived from VAERS only. [15]
    In another study published in the journal Vaccine, epidemiologist Elaine Miller, RN, MPH and her team wrote:

    [M]aking general assumptions and drawing conclusions about vaccinations causing deaths based on spontaneous reports to VAERS—some of which might be anecdotal or second-hand—or case reports in the media, is not a scientifically valid practice. [16]
    Using VAERS data and, by extension, VSD-based research to conclude that serious adverse effects occur in one out of every million vaccine doses given is unsound practice. Immunologist Tetyana Obukhanych, PhD perhaps came much closer to the truth when she stated, “As of now, we are totally in the dark regarding who will and who won’t suffer a severe vaccine injury and from which vaccine. No guarantees can be made. Basically, vaccinate yourself at your own risk.”[ 17]

    So, it turns out that the best that can be said about the “one in a million” (or less) estimate is that it is merely an idiom. We do not know how safe vaccines are. It is possible that side effects from vaccines are extremely rare, but it’s unclear what that means.

    If you were to look at a study conducted in Canada and published in the journal PLOS One in 2011, you would see that vaccination led to an emergency room visit for one in 168 children after their 12-month vaccinations and one in 730 children after their 18-month vaccinations. [18]

    One in 168? That’s far from extremely rare. That’s drawing closer to autism rates. [19]

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    Anybody that thinks its wrong to vaccinate kids can get the hell out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesiv1 View Post
    Anybody that thinks its wrong to vaccinate kids can get the hell out.
    If only....

    Instead, they just flood the forums with their discredited, regurgitated bile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesiv1 View Post
    Anybody that thinks its wrong to vaccinate kids can get the hell out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesiv1 View Post
    Anybody that thinks its wrong to vaccinate kids can get the hell out.
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    The statement is a red herring. It does not matter if it is 1 out of 1,000 or 1 out of 1,000,000,000. The question is who decides how much risk to subject a person's body or property to.

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    It is interesting to watch anti- vax people cite VAERS as proof that vaccines harm people and they also turn around and say that VAERS statistics are not reliable. (They may understate things because it is voluntarily reported but it may also overstate actual cause/ effect because there does not need to be any actual, verified link between a vaccine and a reported reaction- reported effects are not confirmed).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It is interesting to watch anti- vax people cite VAERS as proof that vaccines harm people and they also turn around and say that VAERS statistics are not reliable. (They may understate things because it is voluntarily reported but it may also overstate actual cause/ effect because there does not need to be any actual, verified link between a vaccine and a reported reaction- reported effects are not confirmed).
    Silly Billy, it is not reliable, because almost nobody knows anything about VAERS or have never heard of a Vaccine Court.

    At any rate it is very telling, the fact that vaccine manufacturers demanded protections from their own supposedly 100% safe products. They argued if you don't do this for us we are not going to make them anymore because we are loosing our lawsuits and cannot make any profit!
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    First look at the effect of reporting.
    If for example 1 adverse event in 100,000 vaccinations is written.
    This could be the same as 1 adverse event in 5,000 vaccinated children, if the children get an average number of 20 vaccines.

    Quote Originally Posted by Created4
    If you were to look at a study conducted in Canada and published in the journal PLOS One in 2011, you would see that vaccination led to an emergency room visit for one in 168 children after their 12-month vaccinations and one in 730 children after their 18-month vaccinations.18
    This is based on K. Wilson et al - Adverse Events following 12 and 18 Month Vaccinations: a Population-Based, Self-Controlled Case Series Analysis (2011): http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0027897
    Using the self-controlled case series design we examined 271,495 12 month vaccinations and 184,312 18 month vaccinations to examine the relative incidence of the composite endpoint of emergency room visits or hospital admissions in consecutive one day intervals following vaccination. These were compared to a control period 20 to 28 days later.
    (…)
    The observation period for each patient begins with pediatric vaccination date (leftmost upward arrow) and continues for a total of 28 days.
    (…)
    In total, we examined 455,807 separate vaccination events in these 413,957 children that occurred at 12 and 18 months plus 60 days (Figure 2).
    (…)
    The primary reason for the elevation in the combined endpoint was an increase in ER visits (relative incidence 1.34(1.29–1.39)). There were an excess of 598 children experiencing 1 or more ER visits during the risk interval per 100,000 vaccinations or 1 additional child for every 168 children vaccinated. There was no increase in hospital admissions (relative incidence 1.08 (0.93–1.25)). There were five or fewer deaths (Table 3). The average CTAS score for ER visits during the risk period was 3.27 compared to 3.26 for the control period. (p = 0.74), suggesting no differences in severity of presentation between ER visits in the risk and control periods. There was an increase in presentation for multiple conditions during the risk period compared to the control period.
    (…)
    184,312 children received vaccinations between 545 and 605 days of age. Consecutive statistically significant elevations in combined endpoints began on day 10 and continued to day 12. A total of 1275 children experienced at least one event included in the combined endpoint during the combined three day at risk period compared to 3065 during the nine day control period.
    (…)
    Overall the increase in event rate following the 12 month vaccines accounted for approximately 598 extra children experiencing one or more ER visits during the risk interval per 100,000 vaccinations.
    (…)
    While our study cannot establish causality it has many features that support a causal relationship between vaccination and delayed adverse events. These include the consistency with other studies and a compelling biological model which explains the diagnoses in the affected children and the reduction in effect with the 18 month vaccinations. Furthermore, our historical analysis demonstrates that the effect seen at 18 months after MMR vaccination in 2006–2009 is not present in 2002–2005, when the MMR vaccine was given only at 12 months and not at 18 months. The effect is still clearly visible after the 12 month vaccination in the 2002–2005 data.
    (…)
    The findings also suggest that the reactions are not severe since acuity was not higher than the control period and furthermore, there were few hospital admissions.
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