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    All the sudden, everyone has a disease! What could have caused such a vast increase in hypertension, obesity, and osteoporosis?
    The answer is an expanded definition of who is considered afflicted.
    You walk into your doctor’s office for a physical exam and step on the scale. Last year, the doctor said you were overweight. Now he says you are obese — at the same weight.
    A nurse takes your blood pressure. You have hypertension — with the same previously healthy reading you’ve had for years.
    The doctor scans your wrist bone. You have a condition called “osteopenia” — with the same bone density that was fine last time you were measured…
    You are suddenly sick, simply because the definitions of disease have changed. And behind those changes, a Seattle Times examination has found, are the companies that make all those newly prescribed pills.
    This is nothing new. Unfortunately, the above quotation is from the introduction to a 2005 series of articles. They were sounding the alarm early, but things have only gotten worse.
    Back then, the pharmaceutical industry had a hand in designing the testing tools for osteoporosis. They helped change the definition of obesity. They redefined diseases without any strong evidence. And they did this by giving money to doctors in order to promote their agenda. Some of the doctors who received kickbacks were policy setters in the World Health Organization, the U.S. National Institute for Health, and other medical associations.
    Every time the boundary of a disease is expanded — the hypertension threshold is lowered by 10 blood-pressure points, the guideline for obesity is lowered by 5 pounds — the market for drugs expands by millions of consumers and billions of dollars.
    The result? Skyrocketing sales of prescription drugs. Soaring health-care costs. Escalating patient anxiety. Worst of all, millions of people taking drugs that may carry a greater risk than the underlying condition. The treatment, in fact, may make them sick or even kill them.
    One woman was taking a medication to lower her blood pressure. When it was ineffective, the dose was doubled. This caused an allergic reaction which sent her to the hospital and could have been deadly. Her doctor switched her to other medications.
    Her doctor, Saunders, doesn’t sound like some evil stooge taking back room bribes. He sounds like a man caught up in an industry in crisis.
    But Saunders isn’t sure whom to trust. He questions the stream of studies leading to new guidelines urging broader use of new medications.
    “In my heart of hearts,” he said, “I am concerned that these studies that are telling people that it’s best to get down to 120 over 80 are all paid for by drug companies who are trying to sell pills. It makes me uncomfortable. I think the days of getting unbiased information are gone.”
    But this is all old news. Most people have gotten a glimpse of such conflicts of interest. But still, doctors rely on the experts. Even if your local doctor is not corrupt and money hungry, he may be listening to people who are. And worse yet, he may be reading medical journals that are a complete fraud.
    Hundreds of “Scholarly Articles” Retracted
    The medical journal publisher Springer has retracted almost 200 papers in the last two years because “the peer review process was compromised.”
    Sadly, many of the retracted articles have to do with tumor biology. For years, people have been labeled conspiracy theorists for believing in the massive amount of corruption surrounding the cancer industry. This retraction is just the tip of the iceberg.
    The most affected journals are Tumor Biology (25 papers) and Diagnostic Pathology (23 papers). The other journals are Comparative Clinical Pathology (one paper), Journal of Parasitic Diseases (four papers), Cancer Cell International (two papers), Journal of Ovarian Research (two papers), and World Journal of Surgical Oncology (one paper).
    To submit a fake review, doctors often provided false emails which came back to them or someone else they could trust to provide a great review and vouch for the accuracy of the paper. Many journals accept paid entries without doing the homework to find out anything about the person submitting the paper, or who allegedly peer reviewed the piece.
    But even when the medical papers are not outright lies, they can be quite misleading. According to a JAMA review:
    Of the 45 eligible highly cited studies with efficacy claims (Table 2), 7 (16%) were contradicted by subsequent research, and another 7 (16%) were found to have initially stronger effects. In all these 14 cases (Box 1), subsequent studies were either larger or better controlled (randomized vs a nonrandomized original study). The findings of 20 highly cited articles (44%) were replicated (also with a larger sample size in subsequent research compared with the original highly cited study) and 11 (24%) had remained largely unchallenged.
    Basically, 66% of the highly cited studies could not really be trusted. There just was not enough evidence of their findings to take them as solid truth. 32% of the studies should have been ruled out altogether, since later better studies found the results incorrect or highly exaggerated.

    More at: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...until-you-read
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    Nothing to see here. Move along. By the way, drug costs are a national emergency so the government must step in a pay for them. It's a human right to have government pay a pharmaceutical company to give you drugs.
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    I have a friend who went through drug hell with his doctor. They prescribe a drug for cholesterol, which was deemed unhealthy on a single blood test. He takes the meds, it causes more problems, which they then want to put him on two more drugs.

    He stopped all the drugs and everything is OK again. It's a circus of incompetence out there.
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    "...doctors rely on the experts. Even if your local doctor is not corrupt and money hungry, he may be listening to people who are. And worse yet, he may be reading medical journals that are a complete fraud."
    This is the problem in a nutshell, many doctors do not do their own research or think for themselves. The need to take a more holistic approach: Treat the whole person and not just the disease.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    I have a friend who went through drug hell with his doctor. They prescribe a drug for cholesterol, which was deemed unhealthy on a single blood test. He takes the meds, it causes more problems, which they then want to put him on two more drugs.

    He stopped all the drugs and everything is OK again. It's a circus of incompetence out there.
    If he is still worried about his Cholesterol tell him to take olive oil.
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    Customers are demanding pills from their doctors. "Come on doc! Ya gotta gimme sumthin'! "
    "The only thing we have to fear is.... fear itself!" Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Nothing to see here. Move along.
    Many journals accept paid entries....
    And there's the thing. Not that the peer review process can't be improved, but not all journals are created equal, either.
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    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Customers are demanding pills from their doctors. "Come on doc! Ya gotta gimme sumthin'! "

    That's fine, but don't tell me I have to pay for it by buying mandatory insurance (ACA) I neither need or want. Dope should strictly be done in the private sector.
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    I do think that ID should be required for certain things like carrying a concealed weapon...




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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Customers are demanding pills from their doctors. "Come on doc! Ya gotta gimme sumthin'! "
    Corruption+Stupidity=Fire+Gasoline
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Customers are demanding pills from their doctors. "Come on doc! Ya gotta gimme sumthin'! "
    That's because the TV told them so. They don't call it programming for nothing.
    "Logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." ~ Rod Serling
    "Cops today are nothing but an armed tax collector" ~ Frank Serpico
    "To be normal, to drink Coca-Cola and eat Kentucky Fried Chicken is to be in a conspiracy against yourself."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Customers are demanding pills from their doctors. "Come on doc! Ya gotta gimme sumthin'! "
    Doc, I am making $#@! up all the time! Ya gotta gimme sumthin'!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    I have a friend who went through drug hell with his doctor. They prescribe a drug for cholesterol, which was deemed unhealthy on a single blood test. He takes the meds, it causes more problems, which they then want to put him on two more drugs.

    He stopped all the drugs and everything is OK again. It's a circus of incompetence out there.
    Cholesterol drugs turn you into a zombie.
    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Cholesterol drugs turn you into a zombie.
    Don't know about that, but apparently they can mess with other indicators, that require even more drugs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Don't know about that, but apparently they can mess with other indicators, that require even more drugs...
    Statins also carry warnings that memory loss, mental confusion,...
    http://www.webmd.com/cholesterol-man...statin-drugs#2
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    That's because your brain needs cholesterol and when you take statins it literally shrinks the brain.


    Your Brain Needs Cholesterol

    Cholesterol is vitally important for brain function. While your brain represents about 2-3% of your total body weight, 25% of the cholesterol in your body is found in your brain, where it plays important roles in such things as membrane function, acts as an antioxidant, and serves as the raw material from which we are able to make things like progesterone, estrogen, cortisol, testosterone and even vitamin D.

    In fact, in a recent study available on the NIH Public Access site, researchers showed that in the elderly, the best memory function was observed in those with the highest levels of cholesterol. Low cholesterol is associated with an increased risk for depression and even death.

    This understanding of the important role of cholesterol in brain function raises concern as we now see changes in recommendations for prescribing statin medication. Some estimates indicate that moving forward, the number of individuals taking statins to lower cholesterol in America may actually double! This presents a worrisome proposition for brain health.
    http://www.drperlmutter.com/brain-needs-cholesterol/
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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Statins also carry warnings that memory loss, mental confusion,...
    I have those symptoms and the only 'drug' I take is aspirin....

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    Looking up & reading the long list of possible side effects (often including death) should be enough make one thick twice about taking any of it... scares the $hit outta me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    This understanding of the important role of cholesterol in brain function raises concern as we now see changes in recommendations for prescribing statin medication. Some estimates indicate that moving forward, the number of individuals taking statins to lower cholesterol in America may actually double! This presents a worrisome proposition for brain health.
    More zombies!
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