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    Russian network RT must register as foreign agent in US
    http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbyi...reign-agent-in


    The company that runs the U.S. version of RT, the Russian state-owned outlet originally known as Russia Today,
    must register with the Justice Department as a foreign agent,
    signaling that all of their content would be labeled as propaganda from Moscow.

    In a report Monday,
    RT did not name the company that the Department of Justice (DOJ)
    has compelled to file paperwork under the Foreign Agents Registration Act,
    but blasted the edict as overreaching.

    "The war the US establishment wages with our journalists is dedicated to all the starry-eyed idealists who still believe in freedom of speech.
    Those who invented it, have buried it,” Margarita Simonyan, RT’s editor-in-chief, said about the registration.

    Media organizations that have been exempted from the new law (which is wide-ranging in its disclosure requirements)
    generally applies to political consultants and those working in lobbying or public relations.

    It now would be a felony if RT is found to have willfully failed to register as a foreign agent.

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    In quid pro quo....
    I wonder if the Moscow Times will soon be declared as an 'American Agent'.

    Stoopid times we live in.... as if a media org self declared as 'Russia Today' isn't enuf of a 'public alert' as to its source? Good grief.
    Last edited by goldenequity; 09-12-2017 at 11:22 AM.



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    I am not surprised that foreign news agencies would be required to register anywhere . I imagine if i wanted to start a Sagamore of The Wabash newspaper in Iran or North Korea they would make me register.LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    I am not surprised that foreign news agencies would be required to register anywhere . I imagine if i wanted to start a Sagamore of The Wabash newspaper in Iran or North Korea they would make me register.LOL
    Why now though?
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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Why now though?
    In my case ? Most people would be disturbed by my radical ideas of freedom . The countries I mentioned are hardcore communist and the state owns everything .

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    From April, 2015

    https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...-media/390621/

    When Is a TV Channel a Foreign Agent?

    A Russian lawmaker thinks RT should register as a lobbyist with the U.S. government. Does he have a case?

    Where do the limits of a free press lie? If one were to ask Ilya Ponomarev, a member of the Russian parliament and the only lawmaker to vote against his country’s annexation of Crimea, the answer might be at the doorstep of RT, formerly known as Russia Today. In a recent interview with BuzzFeed, Ponomarev—who currently lives in exile in California and was stripped earlier this month of his parliamentary immunity from prosecution, thereby exposing him to criminal charges and likely expulsion from the Duma—proposed that the flashy, Kremlin-funded international news network register as a lobbyist. “It’s a great mistake that the west is doing, that it’s acknowledging [RT] as a media tool. I think it’s a lobbying tool and it should be regulated as a lobbyist rather than media,” Ponomarev argued.

    It was far from the first time that RT has been accused of being a mouthpiece for the Russian government. In fact, students at Columbia’s School of Journalism, under the direction of professors Ann Cooper and Linette Lopez, have an entire Tumblr dedicated to tracking the controversy surrounding RT’s reporting. But Ponomarev’s comments did suggest that a debate about how to respond to news outlets like RT, already well underway in Europe, has reached the United States, where the network is available via cable (mostly in and around major metropolitan areas) and satellite TV, and online. BuzzFeed’s Rosie Gray notes, for example, that the network has been subject to official investigations and threatened with sanctions in the United Kingdom—where RT is the fourth-most-watched 24-hour news station—for alleged bias in its reporting on the crisis in Ukraine.

    RT “started out in 2005 by telling positive stories about Russian history and culture—no one cared and ratings were terrible,” Peter Pomerantsev wrote last year in The Atlantic. “Gradually, RT changed its strategy, becoming a platform for Western conspiracy-theorists, far-right nationalists, and far-left radicals who sympathize with Russia.
    The formula works: RT claims that it now reaches more than 644 million people worldwide, and it can slip in messages about Kremlin policy between more popular programming.”
    Operating with a budget that, at an estimated $300 million, rivals the BBC’s, RT has translated that formula into a major online presence, including more than a million YouTube subscribers.

    RT, for its part, claims that it “delivers stories often missed by the mainstream media” and “provides an alternative perspective on major global events, and acquaints an international audience with the Russian viewpoint.”

    In the United States, designating RT a lobbyist would involve invoking the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA), a law passed in 1938 to counter German propagandists operating in the United States prior to the Second World War. The statute’s scope is broad, but in its most general sense, it is designed to identify any individual or organization that engages in political or quasi-political activities on behalf of a foreign government or organization. “Political activities” are defined as attempts to “influence any agency or official of the Government of the United States or any section of the public within the United States with reference to formulating, adopting, or changing the domestic or foreign policies of the United States,” and include public-relations and publicity work.


    With some exceptions, the act obligates organizations that meet this criteria to register as a foreign agent with the U.S. Department of Justice. Registration requires, among other things, the semi-annual reporting of the foreign agent’s activities and funding, and a disclaimer on “informational materials” that “the information is disseminated by the agents on behalf of the foreign principal.” Penalties for failing to comply can include a $10,000 fine or up to five years in prison (one of the more interesting applications of the law was its use in arresting Anna Chapman and 11 other members of a Russian spy ring in 2010).

    Does RT fall under FARA’s auspices? The statute explicitly states that its definition of a foreign agent does not include news or press agencies, but then goes on to say that the exemption only holds if the company is at least 80-percent owned by U.S. citizens and “not owned, directed, supervised, controlled, subsidized, or financed, and none of its policies are determined by any foreign principal …” Given that RT is funded by the Russian government and appears to lack full—if any—editorial independence from the Kremlin, the channel may not be exempt under FARA. Still, by my count, only four media organizations are registered under FARA at the moment: two Asian television networks and the distributors for two Chinese dailies.
    It’s important to note that, were RT to be registered under FARA, the network would not be censored or banned in the United States. It’s also unclear how the act’s requirement of a disclaimer would affect the Russian outlet given that the network’s primary format is video. China Daily, for instance, provides its disclaimer on its Facebook page and About Us page. TV Japan, on the other hand, has received a waiver for the disclaimer from the Justice Department on the basis that the company has not engaged in political propaganda. Regardless, registration would define RT as a foreign agent in the United States—a distinction that could make a difference in the ongoing media and information war between Russia and the West.
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    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/28/form...ign-agent.html

    Former Trump campaign chairman registers as foreign agent

    President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, registered Tuesday with the Justice Department as a foreign agent for political consulting work he did for a Ukrainian political party, acknowledging that he coached party members on how to interact with U.S. government officials.

    Manafort says in a Justice Department filing that his firm, DMP International, received more than $17 million from the Party of Regions, the former pro-Russian ruling party in Ukraine, for consulting work from 2012 through 2014.

    Manafort is the second member of the Trump campaign to register as a foreign agent. In March, former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn registered with the Justice Department for work his consulting firm performed for a Turkish businessman that he said could have aided the Turkish government. Both registrations came after the work had been completed.
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    From 2012:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ign-agent-ngos

    Russia plans to register 'foreign agent' NGOs

    Russian NGOs that receive funding from abroad will have to register as "foreign agents" and undergo extra checks under a new bill that critics warn is part of a crackdown on independent activists.

    The bill, backed by the ruling United Russia party, would require foreign-funded NGOs involved in political activities to tag all publications and websites with the label "foreign agent".

    They would have to undergo an annual financial audit and issue biannual reports on their activities. Individuals in breach of the law would face up to three years in prison and fines of up to 300,000 roubles (£5,850), and their organisations could be fined up to 1m roubles.

    A video in support of the bill says: "You have the right to know who is trying to influence your opinion. Our country must have an opposition, but if it is protecting foreign interests, you have the right to know that."

    The bill was put forward by the United Russia Duma deputy Alexander Sidyakin. Earlier this year he sponsored a bill that was passed by the Duma to drastically increase fines for illegal protests, as the Kremlin attempted to put down demonstrations against Vladimir Putin that have drawn tens of thousands on to the streets of Moscow. Putin has repeatedly blamed the mass opposition on the US state department.

    Many of Russia's most prominent NGOs, including the corruption watchdog Transparency International, the election monitor Golos and the environmental group Greenpeace Russia, rely on foreign grants to operate in a country where the government often views them as enemies.

    Grigory Melkonyants, deputy head of Golos, said: "They're passing this law to complicate the lives of NGOs or completely stop our financing." Golos helped expose the electoral fraud that marred Russia's recent parliamentary and presidential elections, and has already been the target of a mass discreditation campaign.

    Supporters of the law have likened it to similar legislation in the US that requires lobbyists employed by foreign governments to reveal their financing. Critics worry that it could be applied selectively in a country lacking rule of law.

    Melkonyants noted that the bill did not include a definition of political activity, meaning it could be applied far and wide. "Political activity means wanting to come to power – no human rights groups or environmental groups want to come to power. Such a wide formulation of this law is very aggressive," he said.
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    Anybody visiting a foreign agent website is a fair game as far as NSA tracking?
    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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    From RPI:

    RT America is a news organization operating in the United States that is funded at least partly by a foreign government. So is the BBC. So is Deutsche Welle, France24, Al-Jazeera, and numerous other foreign media organizations. It is assumed that they all to a degree reflect the editorial interests of those who pay the bills.

    The same is true with other, non-state funded media outlets, of course. It's up to us to factor these things …

    the United States Justice Department informed RT America that of all the foreign-funded media companies operating in the United States they alone must register as agents of a foreign government under the 1938 Foreign Agents Registration Act. The move without doubt reflects the neocon-inspired continuing push for a Cold War 2.0 … bizarrely joined by frustrated supporters of former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. …

    Neocons want a new Cold War because it will fund their lavish lifestyles in the think tanks and salons of Washington … they have no skills aside from fomenting conflict. The military-industrial complex (which is the primary funding source of the neocon think tanks) wants a new Cold War because without it the gravy train … will come to a screeching halt. Hillary supporters want a new Cold War because while they push Stalinist self-criticism for others, they are pathologically incapable of self-reflection as a process by which they themselves can understand their rejection by the American electorate. …

    The target is of this US government action is not RT America or Russia. The real target is Americans [exposing truth, critical of Washington foreign policy and neocon lies]…

    this latest attack on RT America is not the end. It is the beginning. If this move does not shutter RT's Washington, DC headquarters the next move will be against Americans who appear on RT's programs. … no one in the mainstream media is knocking at our doors for [alternative] commentary and analysis that is critical of US government foreign policy actions. CNN and the rest of the neocon-approved media wants us silent!

    Those who support the US government move against RT America today would like nothing more than for our heads to soon be on the same chopping block. …
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    The one steady news outlet that regularly interviews knowledgeable, well-spoken and persuasive libertarians, pro-peace, and analysts that are critical of neocon foreign policy, war-making, surveillance and police state policies.

    Next up is to target anyone appearing on RT interviews, and any alternative media outlets that reprint or link to RT or other sources of information critical of the neocon Washington agenda.
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    An yet the elephant in the room, one of the worlds most powerful foreign agent lobbyists, AIPAC, which is openly political, directly trying to influence elections, contributing to politicians, drafting laws, etc... remains exempt.

    AIPAC:

    Ironically, the most powerful and effective foreign-government lobby in Washington is so dominant that it has been able to avoid registering for the past 55 years. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) was last confronted by FARA when its predecessor organization the American Zionist Council was pressured by John F. Kennedy’s Justice Department in 1962 and 1963. Kennedy’s death stopped that effort—and ended White House attempts to hold Israel accountable for the development of its secret nuclear weapons program …

    AIPAC’s website declares that it is “America’s Pro-Israel Lobby,” so by its own admission it functions pretty clearly as Israel’s proxy. … It also benefits from being a tax exempt 501(c)4 organization … Its annual Summit in Washington attracts more than 15,000 participants, including scores of congressmen and other senior government officials. It blankets Capitol Hill with its lobbyists and is a prolific source of position papers explaining Israel’s perception … Its easy access to the media and also to politicians in Washington is so widely accepted on Capitol Hill that it reportedly frequently drafts bills that Congress then goes on to propose. …

    The power of the Israel Lobby and of AIPAC is not cost free for the American public. The current $3 billion plus that Israel, with a thriving first world economy, receives in military assistance is on top of the $130 billion that it has received since 1949. Protecting Israel in international organizations like the United Nations has sometimes marginalized the U.S. … In 2010 General David Petraeus stated that Israeli policies were putting American military personnel in the Middle East in danger. He quickly recanted ...

    AIPAC’s Steven Rosen boasted to an interviewer, “You see this napkin? In twenty-four hours, we could have the signatures of seventy senators on this napkin.” He meant that congressmen would sign on to anything if they thought it would please Israel. Recently the U.S. Congress has been working on bills that would criminalize individuals or groups that support a boycott of Israel … the bill was drafted with the assistance of AIPAC … is particularly dangerous … essentially denying free speech when the subject is Israel. … The AIPAC website, which describes the group’s lobbying agenda, includes the promotion of the Israel Anti-Boycott Act as a top priority. …

    Twenty-one state legislatures have already passed various laws confronting BDS, in many cases initiating economic penalties on organizations that boycott Israel or denying state funds to colleges and universities that allow BDS advocates … The pending federal legislation would go one step further by criminalizing any U.S. citizen “engaged in interstate or foreign commerce” who supports a boycott of Israel or who even goes about “requesting the furnishing of information” regarding it, with penalties enforced through … the Export Administration Act of 1979 and the Export-Import Act of 1945, that include potential fines of between $250,000 and $1 million and up to 20 years in prison. …
    Those co-sponsoring the bills include Democrats, Republicans, progressives, and conservatives. Deference to Israeli interests is bipartisan and crosses ideological lines. … observe that “…the very mention of the word ‘Israel’ causes most members of both parties to quickly snap into line in a show of unanimity that would make the regime of North Korea blush with envy.” …

    ……

    HuffPo:

    AIPAC, of course, is the main component of the Israel lobby. …
    This year’s conference which ended on March 28 saw 18,000 AIPAC members filling the Washington Convention Center … Is there any place but AIPAC that not only gets Mike Pence, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi in the same room but gets to hear them in near total agreement. … The whole spectacle is abnormal. How can America’s representatives declare that any other country’s fight is our fight, its cause our cause, its values our values. ...

    George Washington could have been speaking about AIPAC and Israel when, in his 1796 Farewell Address, he warned:
    ...a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliance of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.

    How does AIPAC get away with it? …

    Every foreign country except Israel is represented in Washington by foreign agents who must register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act. Under its terms, the country in question is absolutely banned from participating in American elections. … It does not apply to Israel. ...

    I worked at AIPAC, directly for Mr. Kenen, back in the 1970s. He told me that he came up with the AIPAC formula … so that AIPAC would be legally permitted to engage in politics and not have to reveal its activities. …
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    Stephen Lendman weighs in:

    Hostile US demands on popular English-language Russian media, combined with social media censorship of alternative views ... controlling news, information and analysis, suppressing alternative truth-telling, notably on vital issues. America is on a dangerous slippery slope ...

    Its enactment had nothing to do with regulating or acting against foreign media. US media operate freely in Russia.

    America’s global propaganda operations include Voice of America, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, Radio Free Asia, along with Radio and TV Marti aimed at Cuba, and Middle East broadcasting networks [and myriads of NGOs] ...

    Hundreds of entities are registered under FARA, no media of any foreign country. ... Washington’s demand an attempt to “drive (RT) out of the country.” ...

    In fall 2008, 1,490 foreign correspondents, representing scores of nations on every continent, reported from Washington. ... None of the media they represent were forced to register under FARA, RT the only one, solely for political reasons, perhaps prelude to banning the broadcaster altogether – for its truth-telling, conflicting with the official narrative.

    Washington wants alternative views silenced. Targeting RT may be prelude to hostile actions against other independent media sources, notably online. ...
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    More from RPI:

    the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) of 1938 has been irregularly enforced over the course of its 79-year history. ... There are, however, many exceptions to those who must register, such as diplomats, artists, priests, and “any news or press service organized under the laws of the United States.” ...

    This last exception is why the U.S. Department of Justice’s announcement on Thursday that the TV news channel Russia Today (RT), which receives funding from the Russian government and a consortium of Russian banks, must register as a foreign agent came as a surprise to many. ...

    the U.S. government has toyed with the idea of shutting down RT in recent years. In 2015, the then-chief of the U.S. Broadcasting Board of Governors (BBG), Andrew Lack, ... equated RT’s news coverage to terrorist groups ... Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland discussed curbing the channel’s operations in response to its coverage of the U.S.-backed coup in Ukraine. ...

    many other state-funded outlets with operations similar to RT continue to operate within the United States without the designation and accompanying scrutiny, of acting as a foreign agent. This has held true even in cases where use of the news outlet by a foreign government to exert influence is well-documented. ...

    international news channel Al Jazeera – funded entirely by the government of Qatar – has never been forced to register as a foreign agent, despite ... that the U.S. government has long viewed Al Jazeera to be “an instrument of Qatari influence.” ...

    numerous other state-funded news outlets function within the United States but are not required to register as foreign agents, ... the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) is funded by the U.K. Foreign Office. ... has consistently supported the foreign-funded Syrian opposition in its reporting, including fawning coverage of the White Helmets group, which – like the BBC – is largely funded by the U.K. Foreign Office. However, BBC’s Syria coverage fit with the U.S. narrative at the time ...

    some individuals and organizations that specifically lobby the government on behalf of foreign governments have successfully eluded registering under FARA ... For example, the Podesta Group ... failed to register under FARA while lobbying on behalf of the Russian government-owned company Uranium One ...

    the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), which describes itself as “America’s Pro-Israel Lobby” ... According to its website, AIPAC “urges all members of Congress to support Israel through foreign aid, government partnerships, [and] joint anti-terrorism efforts.” Despite this, AIPAC has avoided registering as a foreign agent for 55 years ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    I am not surprised that foreign news agencies would be required to register anywhere . I imagine if i wanted to start a Sagamore of The Wabash newspaper in Iran or North Korea they would make me register.LOL
    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    From RPI:

    RT America is a news organization operating in the United States that is funded at least partly by a foreign government. So is the BBC. So is Deutsche Welle, France24, Al-Jazeera, and numerous other foreign media organizations. It is assumed that they all to a degree reflect the editorial interests of those who pay the bills.

    The same is true with other, non-state funded media outlets, of course. It's up to us to factor these things …

    the United States Justice Department informed RT America that of all the foreign-funded media companies operating in the United States they alone must register as agents of a foreign government under the 1938 Foreign Agents Registration Act. The move without doubt reflects the neocon-inspired continuing push for a Cold War 2.0 … bizarrely joined by frustrated supporters of former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. …

    Neocons want a new Cold War because it will fund their lavish lifestyles in the think tanks and salons of Washington … they have no skills aside from fomenting conflict. The military-industrial complex (which is the primary funding source of the neocon think tanks) wants a new Cold War because without it the gravy train … will come to a screeching halt. Hillary supporters want a new Cold War because while they push Stalinist self-criticism for others, they are pathologically incapable of self-reflection as a process by which they themselves can understand their rejection by the American electorate. …

    The target is of this US government action is not RT America or Russia. The real target is Americans [exposing truth, critical of Washington foreign policy and neocon lies]…

    this latest attack on RT America is not the end. It is the beginning. If this move does not shutter RT's Washington, DC headquarters the next move will be against Americans who appear on RT's programs. … no one in the mainstream media is knocking at our doors for [alternative] commentary and analysis that is critical of US government foreign policy actions. CNN and the rest of the neocon-approved media wants us silent!

    Those who support the US government move against RT America today would like nothing more than for our heads to soon be on the same chopping block. …
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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    We should be careful what we wish for, could become a slipper slope.

    Lindsey Graham asks whether AIPAC, which comes to Capitol Hill in ‘droves,’ is a foreign agent

    July 26, 2017
    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/07/lindsey-whether-capitol/

    Relational

    Obama bundler used ex Israeli intelligence agents to spy on US journalists
    Well, it is an interesting dilemma. It really boils down to a question of motivation and agenda. Is it a foreign influence or agenda which goes against the best interests of the US?

    The irony here is that "motivation" is the prime concern when it comes to political correctness in AmeriKa. Who determines what is a proper (or legal) motivation?

    Discuss amongst yourselves...
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    Danke would be required to register as a foreign agent here on my properties . He is from Minnesota which has a large communist population and borders a foreign country , he has spent extensive time in Asia checking out women who may be affiliated with various terrorist groups . Once registered he has to buy the first round .

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    We should be careful what we wish for, could become a slipper slope.

    Lindsey Graham asks whether AIPAC, which comes to Capitol Hill in ‘droves,’ is a foreign agent

    July 26, 2017
    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/07/lindsey-whether-capitol/






    Relational

    Obama bundler used ex Israeli intelligence agents to spy on US journalists
    I require all current Mossad members to register here and they must leave the next day .

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    We should be careful what we wish for, could become a slipper slope.

    Lindsey Graham asks whether AIPAC, which comes to Capitol Hill in ‘droves,’ is a foreign agent

    July 26, 2017
    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/07/lindsey-whether-capitol/
    Holy crap!

    Who let Linsay speak out of turn

    Are there privileges for registering as a foreign agent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Danke would be required to register as a foreign agent here on my properties . He is from Minnesota which has a large communist population and borders a foreign country , he has spent extensive time in Asia checking out women who may be affiliated with various terrorist groups . Once registered he has to buy the first round .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Holy crap!

    Who let Linsay speak out of turn

    Are there privileges for registering as a foreign agent?
    Well it was revised in the 60's and since no person has been successfully prosecuted in a criminal case . Basically you disclose your finances and activities and what government you represent and you are free to lobby congress . There are usually around 1800 from 100 countries . News organizations are pretty well exempt if US Owned . You are exempt though if your activities are not political/financial but instead religious , academic , fine arts , scholastic , scientific . Scientific gives you an out for most good stuff if your lawyer is good enough .

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Interesting. Very accurate assessment of the situation, very wrong solution from a communist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Interesting. Very accurate assessment of the situation, very wrong solution from a communist.
    Yeah I think this is why RT is getting bullied though, they don't like the rigged narrative getting mainstream traction.

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    Another Step toward Sovietization of American Media

    This week the US Department of Justice Criminal Division forced ... RT to register as a “foreign agent” ... The move comes on the heels of Senators’ recent demands that terrified tech giants Twitter, Facebook, and Google act as ideological filters. ...

    more ominous is what the move against RT says about America’s rulers’ further intention to limit the sources of information available to its subjects. ...

    The attack on RT is a milestone in the degeneration of the American official (call them what you want – corporate, legacy, mainstream) media into PR agencies for the governing establishment and its ideological imperatives. We’ve been moving along this path for a while now, and it’s going to get worse. ...

    By its attack on RT, the US government is officially telling us that only the mainstream media (MSM) can be regarded as are purveyors of Truth and that anybody not on the approved list is fake. How do we know? Why, the MSM themselves tell us! The Washington Post’s “
    Democracy Dies in Darkness.” CNN’s “Facts First.” The New York Times’ “The Truth is Hard.” ...

    A lot of Americans don’t buy it anymore, though. Some of the skepticism falls along purely partisan lines ... Increasingly, there is nothing like a national dialogue on anything, but rather two entirely separate, diametrically opposed ideological cultures – and alternate realities – each demonizing “them.” ...

    At some point the false picture of pseudo-reality diverges so far from real reality that the official media narrative becomes useless and even counterproductive. ...

    In the past, notably in the totalitarian societies of the 20th century, maintaining the credibility of official media required the physical repression of alternatives. Today .... Instead of suppressing dissent, is it sufficient to maintain major media’s role as gatekeeper and certifier of reliability.

    Which brings us back to the impact of foreign media like RT, Sputnik, Strategic Culture Foundation, Al-Jazeera, CGTN, Press TV, often in parallel with alternative media like Zero Hedge, Lew Rockwell, Antiwar.com, Ron Paul Institute, and others, to break through the information firewall ... a growing segment of the American public is discovering a skill once well-honed by the citizens of the former communist countries: reading between the lines of the official media (which is assumed to be full of lies) and making informed comparisons ...

    Make no mistake – what has started with RT won’t end with RT. Our betters have decided they need to protect our minds from “propaganda” penetration that might cause us to doubt the truth of what CNN and the Washington Post tell us.
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    They fought the Wars
    They lost.
    They turned friends
    into enemies.
    Who became
    friends of our enemies.
    They stood alone, in splendid isolation,
    And said it was their only choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    More bull$#@!. The Five Conglomerates are CIA ops, he's not touching them. There are unlicensed sources better than their outfits.
    They fought the Wars
    They lost.
    They turned friends
    into enemies.
    Who became
    friends of our enemies.
    They stood alone, in splendid isolation,
    And said it was their only choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    More bull$#@!. The Five Conglomerates are CIA ops, he's not touching them. There are unlicensed sources better than their outfits.
    Its all in the guise of normalizing and popularizing censorship of whomever they want to censor.

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