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    Declassified CIA Docs Reveal Hitler Survived WW2, With Picture to Prove it

    By Jay Syrmopoulos - September 9, 2017



    Washington, DC – Newly declassified CIA files seem to confirm certain FBI documents related to Adolf Hilter, which claimed the Nazi Fuehrer escaped Germany and took up residence in South America after World War II.

    The files indicate that in 1955, the chief of the CIA’s Western Hemisphere Division (WHD) received a secret memo with the subject line “Operational: Adolf Hitler,” from the acting CIA station chief in Venezuela, which indicated that one of his sources had received a tip that the Nazi Fuhrer was indeed alive and living in Argentina.



    Interestingly, these revelations seem to confirm declassified FBI documents that also claimed sources had indicated that Hitler was indeed living in Argentina.
    While the official story sold to the global public is that Hitler died of suicide in the Fuhrerbunker, the actual truth may be vastly different from the popularized version of events.

    The acting CIA station chief’s informants, CIMELODY, was contacted by a former SS trooper Phillip Citroen, who claimed to have been in contact with Hitler—who was living under the pseudonym Adolph Schuttlemayer—about once a month in Colombia, while there on a trip from Maracaibo as an employee of the Royal Dutch Shipping Company.




    Citroen said that Hitler had left Colombia for Argentina around January 1955, and erroneously suggested that the statute of limitations for war crimes had passed—as it had been 10 years since the end of World War II—and that the Allies could no longer prosecute Hitler as a war criminal.

    The CIA documents reveal that Citroen told CIMELODY that he had even taken a photo with Hitler, and provided a grainy picture that was included in the CIA memo—with Hitler purported to be the man on the right.

    Read more: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cia...zen.yandex.com
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    Holy $#@!! Is Hitler still alive???
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Holy $#@!! Is Hitler still alive???
    Actually, the other day I overheard someone refer to Dinesh D'Souza as a Nazi. He must be literally Hitler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Holy $#@!! Is Hitler still alive???
    Word on the street is that he changed his name to Trump.

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    There are a number of sightings of Adolf Hitler in Argentina.
    I fell for the "CIA" story of former German SS trouper Phillip Citroen, who supposedly contacted a trusted friend, who on 3 October 1995 informed the CIA. There was also a (very vague) photo of "Adolf Hitler" with Citroen in Tunja (Tunga) Colombia, in 1954. Hitler called himself Adolf Schuttelmayor (Schrittelmayer) at the time.
    I have reserached it and haven't found a second source to confirm that Hitler went to Colombia, which makes it improbable that he did. I do believe that Hitler travelled to Paraguay after he had to leave Argentina...

    According to the official story, on 30 April 1945 Eva Braun took a cyanide pill and Adolf Hitler blew his brains out in the bunker in Berlin - suicide.
    Then some Nazis were ordered by Hitler’s aide Martin Bormann to put the bodies in a bomb crater in the garden and burn them.
    Some versions of this history claim that Hitler first took a cyanide pill; why would somebody take cyanide before blowing his brains out?

    According to history falsifier Guy Walters it is "2,000% rubbish" to claim that Hitler didn’t die on 30 April 1945, because “The evidence that Hitler was killed is simply overwhelming. For these authors to claim otherwise is simply staggering”.
    I never was good at believing all of the ridiculous stories they told me in history falsification. I haven’t found overwhelming evidence that Hitler and Eva Braun committed suicide the last day of April 1945 and I label anybody that says "2,000% " an imbecile.

    The death of Hitler was announced by the German Nazi propaganda on 1 May 1945. On 2 May the Red Army “liberated” Berlin and shortly thereafter the Soviet Union state media declared that they had found the dead body of Hitler.
    Nobody has claimed to witness that Hitler and Braun committed suicide, but a few German Nazis did say that they found 2 bodies in the bunker, one of which looked like Adolf Hitler. The bodies were burned before the Russians invaded...
    According to the official story the personal German dentist of Hitler (and Braun), made some kind of model of the teeth of Hitler that according to the Soviets was the spitting image of the teeth they had found of Adolf Hitler. Naturally this supposed model of the teeth of Hitler was never shown publicly.

    To silence the rumours that Adolf Hitler didn’t die in April 1945, the “skull of Hitler” was put on display in Moscow in 2000.
    In 2009, an investigation by Connecticut archaeologist and bone specialist Nick Bellantoni showed that this skull, with bullet hole, belonged to a woman between 20 and 40 years of age.
    Because Braun’s skull wouldn’t have a bullet hole), it is probably also not of Eva Braun: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...skull-fragment
    It is very implausible that the teeth that reportedly had been taken from the same skull (of the woman younger than 40) would belong to Hitler.


    FBI DOCUMENTS – SIGHTINGS OF HITLER
    J. Edgar Hoover didn't believe that Adolf Hitler died in April 1945, and collected information. There are FBI-documents from people who say they saw Hitler, Braun and his entourage arrive in Argentina in 2 submarines: http://humansarefree.com/2016/07/hit...-died-old.html
    Here is the disclosed collection of FBI-documents on this topic (a lot of the documents aren’t worth the time): https://vault.fbi.gov/adolf-hitler/a...-01-of-04/view

    Here’s a report from 14 August 1945 - the firsthand account of someone named Guydano. Guydano explained that the escape of Hitler had been arranged by 6 Argentinean top officials.
    See the following excerpt:
    GUYDANO was one of the four men who met Hitler and his party when they landed from submarines in Argentina two and half weeks after the fall of Berlin.
    (...)
    Hitler... with two women, a doctor, and several other men numbering in or about fifty persons came ashore. (...) at the dusk the party arrived at the ranch where Hitler and his party are now in hiding.
    (...)
    According to GUYDANO, this affair was arranged by six top Argentine officials as far back as 1944, and GUYDANO further reports that if Hitler is apprehended the names of these six top officials will be revealed.
    (...)
    GUYDANO is ready also to reveal the names of the three other men who, with GUYDANO, helped Hitler inland to his hiding place.
    (...)
    GUYDANO advised that he was given $15,000 for helping in the deal... realizing that it is only a matter of time before Hitler is apprehended, he is desirous of clearing himself at this time


    Here’s a later FBI reported dated 21 September 1945 that describes that Guydano had told his story to a reporter of the Los Angeles Examiner on 29 July 1945.
    the subs landed along the tip of the Valdez Peninsula along the southern tip of Argentina in the gulf of San Matias


    That German submarines landed on the Argentine coast (on 28 June) is also confirmed by the following FBI report of 14 July 1945.
    There were earlier witnesses, “source of unknown reliability”, who claimed that Hitler had landed in Argentina on 20 June.


    According to another letter (with typos) to Edgar J. Hoover dated “Nov 2rd 1945” (?); Hitler...
    is liveing in a great underground establishment beneath a vast hacienda - 675 miles westfrom Florianopolis; 450 miles northwest of Buenos Aires



    ARGENTINIAN WITNESSES – EDEN HOTEL, PAVELICH
    The following 10:27 video shows 3 witnesses that saw Adolf Hitler in the Eden hotel, La Falda (a hotspot for Nazis). The hotel owners were the Nazi sympathisers Walter and Ida Eichhorn, who during the war regularly corresponded with Nazi Germany and went there at least twice a year.
    Witnesses Dr. Montaya and Alejandro Almosni tell about Hitler at the Eden hotel.
    Katelina Gamero tells that she personally served Adolf Hitler when he was in the Eden hotel for 3 days in 1947
    Hernan Ancin, carpenter for the Hungarian Nazi Pavelich surviving in Argentina, tells that he drank a cup of coffee with Hitler in 1953, when he arrived with his wife and 3 bodyguards to the building of Pavelich.


    Here are 3 photos that show somebody that looks like Hitler in the Eden hotel with the Eichorns.



    ABEL BASTI
    There are some writers about the faked death of Adolf Hitler that - according to internet - have the highest credibility.
    The first is Abel Basti. What hampers his credibility is that he has changed his story along the way. This could be understandable as with better information his earlier claims were debunked. At first Basti claimed that Hitler died in 1962, but later said 1971.
    Basti published a book in 2003 “Hitler In Argentina”.
    His later book “El exilio de Hitler” (The exile of Hitler) was published in 2010, but if I understand correctly was never translated from Spanish.

    Hitler escaped the bunker in Berlin around 20 April via a tunnel and then went to Austria.
    There is a reported “authenticated secret German document” which lists Hitler as one of the plane passengers on 26 April 1945 from Austria to Barcelona. This is ridiculous, Hitler would fake his own death, and then travel under his own name...
    In Spain Hitler travelled to probably Vigo or maybe Ferrol (Canary Isles), where he took the submarine to the coast of Patagonia, Argentina. A document of the British secret services confirms that a Nazi submarine convoy left Spain at the time, and after making a stop in the Canary Isles, continued to the south of Argentina. The route via the Canary Islands has also been backed up by CIA agent Bob Baer.

    Hitler arrived in Mar del Plata, Argentina by German submarine in early July 1945 (why would it take him so incredibly long to get there?).
    Hitler and Eva Braun, in a motorcade of at least three cars, drove to Bariloche. They took refuge in a place about 15 miles east of the town San Ramon.
    Another hiding place for the Hitler couple was San Carlos de Bariloche, some 1,000 miles southwest of Buenos Aires. The Incalco Ranch, located in Villa la Angostura on the shores of Lake Nahuel Huapi, was the eventual refuge for Adolf and Eva.

    Several Buenos Aires newspapers, reported that rubber boats had landed on the coastline with passengers from submarines.
    In 1947 the Hungarian Ladislao Zsabó published a book. He had heard that Hitler’s destination was the German Antarctica, from which he should have understood Patagonia.
    In July-August, 1945 Hitler and his entourage landed in the Rio Negro province near the Caleta de los Loros village and moved on further into Argentina: http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-...s-1163749.html

    Hitler spent a decade in Argentina, before he moved to Paraguay, where he died on 3 February 1971.
    Basti claims that Hitler was buried in an underground bunker in Asuncion, which is now a hotel.
    In 1973, the entrance to the bunker was sealed and 40 people came to say goodbye to Hitler. Brazilian serviceman Fernando Nogueira de Araujo attended the service: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b08078d6e78435


    WILLIAMS & DUNSTAN
    Abel Basti claims that Gerrard Williams and Simon Dunstan stole his research on the escape of Adolf Hitler to Argentina.
    Basti gives the state media more opportunities to make him look like a fool. Williams and Dunstan came to him asking for information on the escape of Hitler to Argentina. It’s stupid that at a later time he complained that they used “his” information: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ina-plagiarism

    Gerrard Williams and Simon Dunstan published “Grey Wolf: The Escape of Adolf Hitler” in 2011 and also made a documentary.
    A body double took Hitler’s place and an actress stood in for Eva Braun on 27 April 1945.
    They write a detailed description of the escape route of Hitler and Braun.
    After escaping the bunker by (secret) tunnel they took a plane in Berlin to Tonder, Denmark. Peter Baumgart has confirmed that he flew Hitler to Denmark.
    In Denmark they took another plane to Travemunde, Germany; another plane to Reus, Spain; another plane to Fuerteventura, Canary Isles.
    On the Canary Isles they boarded a U-boat that brought them to Mar Del Plata, Argentina. This route is ridiculous. Hitler wouldn’t go to Spain by detour through Denmark, and another stop in Germany...

    According to Williams and Dunstan Hitler and Braun had two daughters before Hitler died in 1962 in Patagonia at the age of 73: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Argentina.html
    Gerrard Williams and Simon Dunstan aren't reliable however...
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    Doesn't Oyarde have a picture of his grandfather playing golf with Hitler in Argentina?

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    Angela Merkel's granddaddy. Ain't real history fun?
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    Declassified CIA Docs Reveal Hitler Survived WW2, With Picture to Prove it
    The article title is hyperbole at best.

    Should read: "CIA Docs Reveal Misc Unconfirmed Reports of Hitler Sightings and One Inconclusive Picture".
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Angela Merkel's granddaddy. Ain't real history fun?
    Hitlery Rodham's father.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Because there were no 'death' camps?

    guys, guys - I have a confession to make... its about Hitler and my grandfather. I can't say it here, its too dangerous. Meet me at the Lunatic Hospital across the river, in W Lafayette.
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    They lost.
    They turned friends
    into enemies.
    Who became
    friends of our enemies.
    They stood alone, in splendid isolation,
    And said it was their only choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Because there were no 'death' camps?

    guys, guys - I have a confession to make... its about Hitler and my grandfather. I can't say it here, its too dangerous. Meet me at the Lunatic Hospital across the river, in W Lafayette.
    Who said there were no death camps in that video?
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Who said there were no death camps in that video?
    Nobody, that's why I suggested the real reason: there were no 'death' camps. Concentration camps are evil as it is, w/o the myth of 6 million Jews dying in gas chambers, and open pits of fire.
    They fought the Wars
    They lost.
    They turned friends
    into enemies.
    Who became
    friends of our enemies.
    They stood alone, in splendid isolation,
    And said it was their only choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Nobody, that's why I suggested the real reason: there were no 'death' camps. Concentration camps are evil as it is, w/o the myth of 6 million Jews dying in gas chambers, and open pits of fire.
    I see. Well, I may not buy the 6 million Jews only narrative, but I believe there were many people exterminated, experimented on and just flat-out murdered under the Hitler regime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    I see. Well, I may not buy the 6 million Jews only narrative, but I believe there were many people exterminated, experimented on and just flat-out murdered under the Hitler regime.
    There was social engineering, there was ethnic cleansing, there were mass murders, but there's never been evidence of a systematic "Final Solution" extermination - forensic or documented. With the tortures inflicted on witnesses, Nuremberg would never have flown in US courts. Its all Army Psyops bull$#@!; no Holohoaxer's affirmed the lampshade myth in 40 years, but its still preached in our textbooks. We bombed the $#@! out Germany, and millions of prisoners didn't get their rations - end of story. If you want actual cases of systematic extermination, look to Cuba, the second Opium War, and the second Boer War. Queen Victoria was way worse than Hitler.
    They fought the Wars
    They lost.
    They turned friends
    into enemies.
    Who became
    friends of our enemies.
    They stood alone, in splendid isolation,
    And said it was their only choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Doesn't Oyarde have a picture of his grandfather playing golf with Hitler in Argentina?
    It is a well known fact he was in south america and alive well into the 50's or more , but we do not play golf . I am though familiar with the places that germans would go in south america in those days mostly because I like a hotel with a nice bar .
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    http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/story?id=119160

    By SIMON GARDNER L A F A L D A , Argentina, Nov. 18 200?


    It was supposed to be a paradise on Earth, a luxury spa deep in the New World. But this fallen Eden is now in ruins — haunted by its past as an Argentine haven for Nazis and their supporters.

    The Eden Hotel, famous before the end of World War II as a posh resort for Germans in central Argentina, is now an empty shell managed by the local municipality, which offers tours and is trying to restore it as a museum.

    Wending his way through the ruins on one such tour, 33-year-old businessman Jose Ranz has come to learn of its ties to Adolf Hitler's Nazi Germany and to unravel the mystery of his own family's past.

    The resort was a magnet for the rich and famous early last century, luring Albert Einstein in 1925. But the heyday was short-lived and the hotel was plunged into disrepute and eventual ruin by the Nazi sympathies of its former owners.

    The hotel is a haunting testament to the murky relationship Argentina shared with the Nazis, hundreds of whom flocked here after the war, drawn by the open-door policy of General Juan Domingo Peron, who had fascist sympathies.

    "My grandfather told me this was once the only place you could contact Europe from," Ranz said, looking at the rooftop where a radio antenna connecting the hotel with Berlin once stood alongside an iconic eagle torn down after World War II.

    That wasn't all he told him. His grandfather sat him down when he was 12 and confessed: He was not Spanish as he had maintained since he fled to Argentina in the 1930s; he was German.

    "He told me what was good about Nazism and why it later became deformed," Ranz said, explaining his visit as part of an effort to decipher his grandfather's true sympathies.

    "He explained why the Nazis hated Jews … I don't know if he escaped from Nazism, or if he escaped because he was a Nazi."

    His grandfather lived nearby, often spoke of the hotel and socialized with the Germans who congregated around it.

    Storied History

    The hotel dates from 1897, the brainchild of a German hotelier, and passed into the hands of another German family, the Eichorns. The town of La Falda, a resort 450 miles northwest of Buenos Aires, evolved to service the hotel.

    The Eden Hotel had its own 18-hole golf course, a fleet of Model T Fords, orchards, a ballroom decked out with oak imported from Slovenia and stairs hewn from Italian marble.

    The old visitors' book is filled with Argentina's elite of the day.

    Owners Walter and Ida Eichorn were fervent supporters of Hitler, and when Argentina declared war on Germany shortly before the fall of the Third Reich, the hotel was confiscated by the government as enemy property.

    Nazi Spa

    "The Eichorns were members of the National Socialist Party, and sent money for the Fuehrer's political campaign [in the 1930s]," said 22-year-old guide Ariel Manzani, who conducts tours of the hotel for the local tourism board.

    "They celebrated his victories with parties at the hotel," added Manzani. "Their idea was to create a German colony here in Argentina."

    Dozens of Alpine-style chalets are now clustered on land surrounding the hotel that the Eichorns sold off largely to German immigrants in the 1930s to help finance the operation.

    After a string of ill-fated attempts to resurrect the hotel by successive owners, its doors finally shut in the 1960s. Years of neglect and looting followed, and the hotel's ramshackle shell now sits on just a fraction of the original 2,965 acres of grounds.

    The municipality is trying to convince residents who came by the hotel's contents — from chandeliers to coffee cups that were auctioned off or looted over the years — to loan them back.

    "The idea is to try and reclaim rooms of the hotel, like a museum and show what they would have looked like originally," said La Falda tourism chief Daniel Buonamico. "But I fear most of [the contents] have been lost."

    Tales of the Führer

    Ambrosio Vicente Farias, 85, recalls driving visitors to the hotel during the Eichorn era. "They all spoke German up there. I couldn't understand anything," he said. "They say Hitler himself visited once incognito."

    At the hotel there are two faded sepia group photographs taken on the front steps. In both pictures, taken from different angles, one of the 60 or so faces is blurred beyond recognition. The shadow of small moustache is just discernible.

    "Did Hitler ever come here?," Ranz asked his guide as he and his young family ended their tour.

    "That's what some say," came the answer.

    Fact about the Eden Hotel has blended with fiction in local lore and some townspeople have been reluctant to confront its past. Ranz and Manzani say it is time to put the record straight, for better or worse.

    Part of it, at least, already has been.

    "The local legend about a Hitler visit is just that: legend," said Hitler expert Professor Sir Ian Kershaw of Britain's Sheffield University.
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    This goes here:

    "If the news is fake, imagine the history." -- at the 43:00 min mark.

    This is a very interesting video.

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    7. Honor your father and mother.
    8. Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.
    9. Don’t use your Higher Power's name in vain, or anyone else's.
    10. Do unto others as you would have them do to you.

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    I guess it wouldn't surprise me too much if he were able to skate.

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    The problem here is not finding stories about how Hitler faked his death and escaped to South America.
    The difficult part is ignoring all the fake stories…

    The best website I’ve found on this topic, is the following: http://tst.greyfalcon.us/
    In this post I’ll try to describe the “overwhelming” evidence that the state propaganda has invented that Hitler and Braun committed suicide on 30 April 1945.

    This is the only picture taken of the corpse of “Adolf Hitler” in something like a crate. Is this evidence?


    Admiral Dönitz told the German people on the evening of 1 May 1945 that Hitler had died. The death of Hitler wasn’t announced on the day that he supposedly died...
    Dönitz had left Berlin on April 21, and was informed by Göbbels on 1 May 1945 by telegram that Hitler had died on 30 April, 15:30 hours. Dönitz made this speech from Plön, 150 miles from Berlin.

    There have been 6 statements made public on the suicide death of Hitler by the SS-ers: Harry Mengershausen, Otto Günsche, Johannes (Hans) Rattenhuber, Erich Kempka, Hermann Karnau and Erich Mansfeld.
    Mengershausen, Günsche and Rattenhuber were captured by the Soviets on 2 May 1945. They told about what had happened to Hitler from 13 to 20 May 1945. Their statements were only made public in 2005.
    Heinz Linge, who carried the body of Hitler before it was burned, was captured at the same time, but his interrogation statements have never been released.

    Mengershausen claimed that the cremation was around noon, while Günsche and Rattenhuber both stated that the cremation had taken place around 3:00 or 4:00 PM.
    Erich Mansfield and Herman Karnau described the burning of Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun. They tell the strange tale about the blazing corpse of Eva Braun:
    her legs raised and bent themselves until her knees were almost touching her chin, and her arms lifted until they were pointing straight before her.
    This would mean that Eva’s body was burned before rigor mortis had set in...

    Harry Mengershausen described seeing Hitler's corpse in early June 1945. According to Mengershausen he saw the "distinctive shape of Hitler's nose".
    After burning and more than a month passed, the face of Hitler wouldn’t be recognisable. This means that Mengershausen was lying...


    DENTAL IDENTIFICATION
    The only way they could identify the burned corpse of Hitler in 1945, was by examining the teeth and comparing them with dental records.
    There are no documents from 5 May 1945 that describe the teeth of the corpses that were found (and later identified as Hitler and Braun). According to the autopsy report of 3 days later, the mouth of “Hitler” was completely intact.

    The Soviets went looking for the dentist of Hitler and Braun – Johann Hugo Blaschke. Blaschke wasn’t at his practice that had been taken over by Fedor Bruck. Hitler's records weren’t there. Bruck accompanied them to Blaschke's assistant, Käthe Heusemann, and told them where to find his dental technician, Fritz Echtmann.
    They never found Hitler's dental records. Of course if the suicide of Hitler was faked (and a replacement was killed instead), they would have destroyed the dental records before the Red Army “liberated” Berlin...

    This is a picture of the teeth of “Hitler”. In April 1945 Hitler had only 5 original teeth left, all the others had been replaced with porcelain crowns.


    On 10 May 1945, Heusemann examined the remaining teeth of “Hitler”. The jawbones had been removed from the Hitler’s skull, and were kept in a cigar box...
    Heusemann affirmed that the teeth were Hitler's.
    Bruck later told a foreign reporter that Heusemann had also identified Eva Braun's teeth; by recognising a bridge that was made “only six weeks ago”. She said that the bridge was made by dental technician “Eichmann” (Echtmann).
    I find it hard to believe that (the assistant of) my dentist could recognise my teeth from memory after I die...
    There are no records at all that confirm that Heusemann worked for the Reich Chancellery dental surgery, which makes it unlikely that Heusemann ever worked on the teeth of Adolf and Eva...
    In August 1951, Heusemann and Echtmann were arrested by Soviet officials. They were both sentenced to 10 years in a Soviet labour camp, nobody knows if they ever escaped the Gulags.

    In July 1945, Hitler’s dentist Blaschke was locked up in an American camp for prominent POWs. They swiftly sent him a bag with equipment to reconstruct, as perfectly as memory served him, Hitler's jawbone. The state propaganda claimed that the result perfectly matched Hitler's jawbone, but this evidence has never been shown publicly.
    In early 1948, while still in American captivity, Blaschke told in an interview that Heusemann "cannot give a positive identification because she knows only some X-rays of Hitler's teeth".
    After Blaschke’s release he returned to dentistry in Nuremberg, until his death in 1959.

    In April 1970, reportedly the remains the body of Hitler (with the exception of his teeth and skull that belonged to a woman younger than 40) were intermixed with the remains of 10 other persons - Eva, General Hans Krebs, Josef Göbbels, his wife and 6 children - and buried in Magdeburg, East Germany by the Soviets. This sounds like destroying evidence...

    On 9 June 1945, during a press conference for international media, the Soviet military commander Georgi K. Zhukov admitted that Hitler's corpse had not been found.
    In July 1945, during conversations with US Secretary of State James F. Byrnes and William D. Leahy (Chairman of the American Joint Chiefs of Staff), Stalin said that Hitler was still alive. In August 1945, Stalin accused the British of concealing the living Adolf Hitler in their sector of Berlin: http://tst.greyfalcon.us/Introduction.htm
    (archived here: http://archive.is/2PE04)


    ESCAPE VIA DENMARK, NORWAY
    Hitler and a small group escaped Berlin in the last days of April 1945.
    From there they were flown to Tønder, Denmark.
    Already in the 1940s articles appeared about Baumgart’s claims that he flew Adolf Hitler to Denmark. The "Zig Zag" Santiago, Chile, 16 January 1948 (not in the book!), stated that on 30 April 1945:
    Flight Captain Peter Baumgart took Adolf Hitler, his wife Eva Braun, as well as a few loyal friends by plane from Tempelhof Airport to Tondern in Denmark [still German controlled]. From Tondern, they took another plane to Kristiansund in Norway [also German controlled]. From there they joined a SUBMARINE convoy.
    http://www.whale.to/b/omega18.html
    (archived here: http://archive.is/kYuiR)


    In my opinion this could be possible - ASAP to Kristiansund to get Hitler to safety in a submarine.
    The state media claim that Peter Baumgart was completely insane and had to be locked up in an insane asylum, but in our world that’s upside down such claims should increase his credibility.

    After arriving on the coast of Argentina in Mar del Plata, Hitler and entourage travelled through Argentina. Adolf Hitler settled in “Residencia Inalco” in Villa la Angostura on the shores of Lake Nahuel Huapi near San Carlos de Bariloche, some 1000 miles southwest of Buenos Aires (in the Patagonia area of Argentina).
    Located in the mountains; near a popular ski resort. Juan Domingo Perón regularly came to ski there.
    Here’s a picture of Residencia Inalco.


    Some sites claim that Residencia Inalco only became Hitler’s main residence in 1947 (instead of 1945).
    Probably Adolf Hitler lived there until 1955, after the fall of Juan Peron, when he was forced to leave for Paraguay.
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    Hitler has been at the Eden Hotel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The article title is hyperbole at best.

    Should read: "CIA Docs Reveal Misc Unconfirmed Reports of Hitler Sightings and One Inconclusive Picture".
    Yep

    Many such reports have been declassified over the years.

    Personally, I think the evidence tends to show that he did survive the war and escape to S. America, but there's no smoking gun.
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    On 12 November 1981, there was an article in The Canberra Times “Evidence on Eva Braun doubted” that shows that the body of Eva Braun was not correctly identified.
    This article claims that the body found by the Soviets contained a gold bridge, which - according to her dental records - Eva Braun didn’t have. So this weren’t the teeth of Eva Braun: http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/126857716
    The Soviets, who carried out an autopsy on what was assumed to be her body — it was burnt beyond recognition — found six teeth and a gold bridge of four artificial teeth,
    A team of forensic experts led by Norwegian-born Professor Sognnaes, emeritus professor of oral biology and anatomy at the University of California, has spent the past 10 years unearthing Eva Braun's dental records. They found that she did not have a gold bridge, but did have two false porcelain teeth, which would almost certainly have survived a fire.

    There are a reported 2 (or even more) last public appearances of “Adolf Hitler”. According to the “independent” Wikipedia his last public appearance was on 25 April 1945, in the garden of the Reich Chancellery…
    If his last public appearance was on 25 April, Hitler he could have caught a submarine (in Spain or Norway) and be in Argentina by 20 May 1945.
    There are in fact 2 German submarines that “escaped” to Argentina in 1945 - U-530 and U-977...
    Why would it matter to the German soldiers to surrender in Argentina or Europe?

    On 10 July 1945, U-530 surrendered to the Argentine navy in Mar del Plata. This is fact.
    The captain of the ship, Otto Wermuth, “did not explain why it had taken him more than two months to reach there.
    Wermuth destroyed the logs to hide what had happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_submarine_U-530

    On 17 August 1945, U-977 surrendered to the Argentine navy in Mar del Plata. This is fact.
    According to the official story, U-977 left from Kristiansand, Norway on 2 May 1945.
    On 5 May 1945, U-977 was outbound north of Scotland, when the captain of the ship, Heinz Schäffer, decided to escape to Argentina and surrender there.

    According to Schäffer, he asked his crew for a vote (does anybody believe that the German army was really democratic?). Because 16 crew members wanted to return, they went back to Norway, where on May 10 these 16 left the submarine in dinghies and went to Holsnoy Island near Bergen (Norway).
    Dropping 16 crew members on May 10 by the U-977, looks like a decoy...

    It then went under water for 66 days, and on 14 July 1945 it supposedly touched at the Cape Verde Islands where the crew went swimming. They could have already been to Argentina to deliver Adolf Hitler...

    These 66 days is, according to experts, even more ridiculous than the return to Norway after a vote...
    According to Commander Heinz Schäffer, they arrived in Mar del Plata after 99 days at sea from Bergen on a journey of 14,157 km, 8,797 mi (7,644 nautical miles): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_submarine_U-977

    Jerome Corsi found a US naval intelligence report, dated 18 July 1945, by the Naval Attaché in Buenos Aires who notified Washington that there was reason to believe U-530 had landed Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun in the south of Argentina before the submarine surrendered at Mar del Plata.
    According to Captain Otto Wermuth, he departed its “German home base on 19 February 1945”.


    According to the following report on the U-530; it:
    Left Kiel 19 February 1945 at 1800. Diving and Schnorchel trials at Horten. Left Kristiansand 3 March 1945 together with 500-ton U-boat under command of Oberleutnant zur see KOCH. U-530 herself under command of Oberleutnant zur See Otto WERMUTH
    http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-530A/U-530INT.htm


    On the following link I’ve found reports in English on the arrival of the submarines in Argentina (the accompanying text is in Spanish): http://www.aviacionargentina.net/for...sificados.html
    (archived here: http://archive.is/lsITX)

    The following report of 13 July 1945 shows that the Argentinean navy didn’t believe the ridiculous stories that were told to them by Otto Wermuth about the U-530:
    He proceeded to Christiansand, Norway, and left there in March, working in the North Sea and North Atlantic. He spent some time off the port of New York. He did not see a single ship all the time he was at sea (sic).


    The Argentineans concluded explicitly that it had been possible for the U-530 to “land people”:
    There are rumors (being investigated) that a strange submarine was seen by fishermen off the coast on the 9th; other rumors are to the effect that it was known to be off the coast a week before its surrender.
    Had it been the intention to land people, this would be a logical procedure—land the people and then stand off for some time in order to give those people an opportunity to hide themselves before the possibility of their landing from a submarine could be noted.
    Although the condition of the submarine is such that it obviously had been at sea for a long time, the exact time is impossible to determine by inspection. There appears to be no reason why the sub could not have returned to a European port before coming here and have brought passengers.



    The U-977 had a maximum surface speed of 32.8 km/h; 20.4 mph (17.7 knots) – under water slower...
    The U-530 had a maximum surface speed of 33.9 km/h; 21.1 mph (18.3 knots)
    33 km/h is a maximum of 792 km per day, this would take a journey of 14,157 km at least 18 days (but from Spain to Argentina is much shorter)...

    This means that if the U-530 left Norway on 3 March 1945, it could have gone to Argentina, get back to Spain, pick Hitler up on May 1, and be at Argentina again by May 20, return to Spain, and drop a third batch of Germans in Argentina before surrendering on 10 July 1945 in Mar del Plata.

    If U-977 left Kristiansand, Norway on 2 May 1945 (and we ignore the story that it returned to drop 16 crew members in Norway), it could have landed Hitler at Argentina on May 20.
    It could then return to Spain to pick up a second load of elite Nazis, drop them off, return again to Spain to deliver a third group of Germans, and surrender on 17 August 1945 at Mar del Plata.

    Of course this would only be possible with outside help to provide fuel (and to not bomb the submarines), but it is well known that many German Nazis escaped to South America (for example by planes of the Dutch KLM on passes of the International Red Cross). So outside help was available…
    Furthermore it would have been impossible for German submarines to leave Europe at a time when the “allied” forces already controlled the water surrounding Europe.

    The last site also contains a (better) description from a FBI report dated 4 August 1945, of some of the witness testimonies about seeing submarines on the Argentinean coast.
    Source Z stated that on 28 June, submarine surfaced off Santa Cruz near San Julian and landing 2 unidentified persons, one a very high-ranking army officer and the other an important civilian, possibly a woman. Sub was reportedly refuelled by a sailing vessel.
    Source Y (…) stated (…) that 2 persons were landed near Stoeder, Argentina, about 27 June 45 (...) A german national (...) took them to Veronica, Argentina.
    (…)
    Source V also reported that it was generally believed in Mar Del Plata at time of surrender that the log book was in existence.
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    ARGENTINIAN WITNESSES – EDEN HOTEL, PAVELICH
    The following 10:27 video shows 3 witnesses that saw Adolf Hitler in the Eden hotel, La Falda (a hotspot for Nazis). The hotel owners were the Nazi sympathisers Walter and Ida Eichhorn, who during the war regularly corresponded with Nazi Germany and went there at least twice a year.
    Witnesses Dr. Montaya and Alejandro Almosni tell about Hitler at the Eden hotel.
    Katelina Gamero tells that she personally served Adolf Hitler when he was in the Eden hotel for 3 days in 1947
    Hernan Ancin, carpenter for the Hungarian Nazi Pavelich surviving in Argentina, tells that he drank a cup of coffee with Hitler in 1953, when he arrived with his wife and 3 bodyguards to the building of Pavelich.
    Here’s a report that confirms that on 23 October 1945 the FBI was informed about the warm friendship between Ida Eichhorn and Adolf Hitler, and that possibly Hitler could find a “safe retreat at her hotel (La Falda)”:
    d. that if Hitler should at any time get into difficulty wherein it was necessary for him to find a safe retreat, he would find such safe retreat at her hotel (La Falda) where they had already made the necessary preparations.
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    “[T]he enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table.” (Heller, 554 U.S., at ___, 128 S.Ct., at 2822.)

    How long before "going liberal" replaces "going postal"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Doesn't Oyarde have a picture of his grandfather playing golf with Hitler in Argentina?
    Just because I know for a fact he was alive in south america does not mean I go around telling people that . Next thing ya know the commie leftists will be calling us conspiracy theorists .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    There was social engineering, there was ethnic cleansing, there were mass murders, but there's never been evidence of a systematic "Final Solution" extermination - forensic or documented.
    You sir are an idiot and an embarrassment to this forum.
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    Regularly after I post something on the internet, stories are published with similar keywords, to bury my posts.

    Yesterday, the propaganda network Reuters published a story that involves the following keywords “Submarine, Buenos Aires, Argentina, San, Juan, crew, Patagonia, coast, “Mar del Plata”, Santiago”: https://gcaptain.com/argentine-navy-...off-patagonia/

    In the follow-up story, Reuters also mentioned “Antarctica, Brazil, Chile, “South Africa””: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...KBN1DH1MP?il=0

    The Guardian wrote a slightly different story that involved ““Valdes peninsula”, Germany”: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...st-40-on-board


    Catalina Gamero, who served Adolf Hitler for 3 days in 1949, was 15 when she went to live with the Eichhorns in 1945.
    Eight days after the “important visitor” left La Falda, Ida and Walter Eichhorn took Catalina to the Eichhorn's house on Pan de Azucar Mountain (“El Castillo”), where Hitler stayed for 15 days; the last time that Catalina saw Hitler.
    Gamero also remembers taking telephone calls from Hitler at the Eichhorn home through operators in La Rioja and Mendoza until 1962.

    Eloisa Luján was one of the "tasters" for the meals of Hitler (to prevent him being poisoned).
    Angela Soriani was the niece of Hitler's cook at Hacienda San Ramon, Carmen Torrentegui.


    I’ve found a more detailed description from carpenter Hernán Ancin’s meetings with the Hitlers, while he was working for Paveli as a carpenter in the Argentine coastal city of Mar del Plata.
    Ancin worked for Paveli ’s company from the middle of 1953 to September or October 1954. In the southern summer of 1953, the Hitlers were regular visitors to the building site where Ancin was working. Ancin saw Hitler with Paveli 5 or 6 times.

    Ancin describes the strange handshake by which Hitler and Paveli greeted each other:
    When Hitler [arrived] he raised the closed fist of his right hand with his arm extended. Paveli went to him and put his hand on Hitler’s fist, enclosing it. Afterward, they smiled, and Paveli shook hands with Hitler. This was always the greeting.
    Ancin recalled Hitler as having "light eyes, a friendly gaze—[he was] quiet and very polite.

    Ancin also saw Hitler in Mar del Plata at an old colonial-style house behind the San Martin Park. He didn’t know if Hitler lived there or was only visiting (the house was in fact the property of Lahusen).
    While in the city Hitler always travelled by car, but on one occasion the carpenter saw him sitting on a bench near the sea. Ancin noticed that Hitler had problems with walking; he dragged his feet, and Eva held his arm when he walked.
    Ancin said about “Hitler’s wife”:
    Hitler’s wife was a little heavy. She seemed to be just over forty years old. She was large, well-fed you could say. She wore work clothes, very cheap, beige, just like his. She was a woman who gave you the feeling that she had suffered a great deal, or at least that she was suffering from something, because it was reflected in her face. She always seemed worried, and almost never smiled.
    (…)
    Hitler’s wife, I don’t remember—I assume she spoke a bit of Spanish, because she always said ‘thank you for the coffee.’ … Hitler spoke Spanish with difficulty, and had a strong German accent.
    Probably in 1954, after their return from the holiday at the Lahusen-owned house in Mar del Plata, Eva left Inalco and Hitler. She moved to Neuquén, a quiet town about 230 miles northeast of San Carlos de Bariloche.



    Adolf Hitler used different identities but the most important one was Kurt Bruno Kirchner. Under that name he travelled to Asuncion after the overthrow of Gen. Juan Domingo Peron in 1955.

    In 1990, Paraguayan-German journalist Rainer Tilch received information from professor and ornithologist Karl Bauer, a resident of Ytú, Caacupé, who told him that Germans in the Altos region knew about Hitler’s stay in Paraguay, and that one of them even personally met Hitler.
    Bauer, told Tilch:
    If you do not want to believe me, I'm going to introduce you to some old Germans from the Altos area, who know a lot more about it than I do. One who personally knew the Führer.
    The German Hermann Rademacher also told Tilch about Hitler’s stay in Paraguay.
    Bormann had arrived in Paraguay in 1956, living for a couple of years in a property of Alban Drug, in Hohenauen the area of ​​Alto Paraná. In 1958-1959, he was attended by Dr. Josef Mengele, who had also settled in Paraguay.

    Helmut Janz told Tilch that he had met a German who had seen Hitler and Eva Braun at the big annual party of the German Shooting Association of Altos ("Verein Patria") in 1968.

    According to Carmen von Schmeling, Hitler visited Paraguayan General Emilio Díaz de Vivar at least once.

    According to lawyer Mariano Llano’s, a woman of the Von Schmeling family introduced Hitler to Diaz de Vivar, in 1961.
    In 2011, Llano revealed that Hitler's presence in Paraguay had been confirmed to him by President Alfredo Stroesnner on 3 November 1994, who told that him that General Peron personally asked him to protect Hitler, which he did (of course).

    The German Julio Heinechen told Llano that he had seen Hitler in San Bernardino on several occasions.

    Pedro Cáceres assured Llano that he had met Hitler and Eva Braun in Asunción in 1960.
    Cáceres also said that Dardo Castelluccio had confirmed that Hitler was in Paraguay: http://tst.greyfalcon.us/bizarre3.htm
    (archived here: http://archive.is/9gNrY)


    I’ve found a good video – “How Hitler got away” (44:14).
    I think that the most interesting part is about the 2009 “scientific” investigation by Connecticut archaeologist and bone specialist Nick Bellantoni.
    The conclusion is shown that the skull belongs to a woman.
    Most of the blood on the sofa in the bunker belonged to a man. Because Hitler’s relatives in the USA didn’t provide DNA-material it’s impossible to determine if the male blood on the sofa in the bunker is Adolf Hitler’s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    Word on the street is that he changed his name to Trump.

    Hitler actually did Great things for the German economy
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