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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post

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    I do think that ID should be required for certain things like carrying a concealed weapon...




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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Who says they weren't residents of New Hampshire? Registration, even on election day, requires proof of residency. You can't just walk in and vote. Not having a New Hampshire license is not proof they weren't.
    It is "evidence" nobody said it was "proof", evidence is what you use to start an investigation, proof is what you use to end one and start a prosecution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It is "evidence" nobody said it was "proof", evidence is what you use to start an investigation, proof is what you use to end one and start a prosecution.
    It is a lack of evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It is a lack of evidence.
    No it is the presence of an unusual number of voters with out of state licenses who never got in state licenses.
    That is worthy of investigation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    No it is the presence of an unusual number of voters with out of state licenses who never got in state licenses.
    That is worthy of investigation.
    5,000 out of 800,000?

    How many are college students who can vote but still have their license from their "home states" (New Hampshire has over 100,000 people enrolled in colleges and universities within the state)? How many recently moved there and had not gotten a New Hampshire one yet?

    II. College Student Voting

    New Hampshire election law provides college students with a special privilege when determining where they register to vote. A college student in New Hampshire may choose as his/her voting domicile, either the domicile he/she held before entering college or the domicile he/she has established while attending college. New Hampshire law provides the following definition of domicile:

    An inhabitant's domicile for voting purposes is that one place where a person, more than any other place, has established a physical presence and manifests an intent to maintain a single continuous presence for domestic, social, and civil purposes relevant to participating in democratic self-government. A person has the right to change domicile at any time, however a mere intention to change domicile in the future does not, of itself, terminate an established domicile before the person actually moves.

    Under no circumstances may college students retain two voting domiciles. Like any other citizen, college students have only one voting domicile and may only cast one vote in any election. A student of any institution may lawfully claim domicile for voting purposes in the New Hampshire town or city in which he or she lives while attending such institution of learning if such student’s claim of domicile otherwise meets the requirements of the paragraph above.
    If just five percent of those in college or University in New Hampshire voted using an out of state license, that accounts for every one of the "fraudulent" votes. New Hampshire had a 75% voter turnout- one of the highest in the country.

    Would five percent of college students having a out of state license be "an unusual number"?
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 09-07-2017 at 05:59 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    5,000 out of 800,000?
    5,313, who used non-N.H. driver’s licenses, had neither a state licenses nor had registered a motor vehicle.

    Hillary Clinton defeated Donald Trump in News Hampshire by 2,736 votes.

    Democratic Sen. Maggie Hassan defeated incumbent Republican Kelly Ayotte by 1,017 votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    5,000 out of 800,000?

    How many are college students who can vote but still have their license from their "home states"? How many recently moved there and had not gotten a New Hampshire one yet?
    Please have your boss contact me. I don't think you are up to the task of posting here. Most find your posts offensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    How many are college students who can vote but still have their license from their "home states" (New Hampshire has over 100,000 people enrolled in colleges and universities within the state)? How many recently moved there and had not gotten a New Hampshire one yet?
    That is the kind of thing an investigation would determine, along with the question of whether they also voted in their home state.



    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    If just five percent of those in college or University in New Hampshire voted using an out of state license, that accounts for every one of the "fraudulent" votes. New Hampshire had a 75% voter turnout- one of the highest in the country.
    Another unusual number.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Would five percent of college students having a out of state license be "an unusual number"?
    What percent of college students even voted?

    The number is unusual simply because it is so much larger than the margin of victory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Do people get arrested for that? Is it enforced?
    I live here.

    Yes, they do.

    NH aggresively enforces resdidency requirements becasue so many people from Maine and Mass. try to escape taxation.

    This is blatant voter fraud, that did not affect my vote for president, but did alter my choice for Senate.

    Granted Ayotte was no great shakes, but a cut above Hassan who we just got rid of as governor.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 09-07-2017 at 06:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That is the kind of thing an investigation would determine, along with the question of whether they also voted in their home state.




    Another unusual number.



    What percent of college students even voted?

    The number is unusual simply because it is so much larger than the margin of victory.
    New Hampshire turnout was in line with their normal voter turnout. They are always among the highest.



    So to effect the outcome, they somehow had to know what the margin of victory would be and send in the right amount of people do do it (and you are also need to assume that every person who registered to vote with an out of state license was not allowed to vote in New Hampshire- the numbers cited don't show that any of them weren't actually eligible). You CAN vote legally in New Hampshire with ID from another state (provided you can prove residency).
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 09-07-2017 at 06:14 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    New Hampshire turnout was in line with their normal voter turnout.

    Because you think that I believe voter fraud was invented after the turn of the last century?
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    That would also explain a local election for NH House that went "blue" for no good reason.

    Had a number of people tell me that "away" voters swung that.

    Mrs AF and I saw it first hand in the 2008 primary with Ron Paul, along with numerous other election shenanigans.

    Zip, you're wrong.

    Ineligible voting by out of state residents, by far and away Mass. socialists, has been an ongoing and clearly identified problem, for years now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    That would also explain a local election for NH House that went "blue" for no good reason.

    Had a number of people tell me that "away" voters swung that.

    Mrs AF and I saw it first hand in the 2008 primary with Ron Paul, along with numerous other election shenanigans.

    Zip, you're wrong.

    Ineligible voting by out of state residents, by far and away Mass. socialists, has been an ongoing and clearly identified problem, for years now.
    Need stronger proof than this to prove it.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 09-07-2017 at 06:30 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    That would also explain a local election for NH House that went "blue" for no good reason.

    Had a number of people tell me that "away" voters swung that.

    Mrs AF and I saw it first hand in the 2008 primary with Ron Paul, along with numerous other election shenanigans.

    Zip, you're wrong.

    Ineligible voting by out of state residents, by far and away Mass. socialists, has been an ongoing and clearly identified problem, for years now.
    Zip don't live there so he has an outside perspective, far removed from your observation, of local politics. You are just too "caught up in it." You need to step back and take a Zippy perspective.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

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    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Need stronger proof than this to prove it.
    Oh count on it, it's there.

    I know you wouldn't accept my word for it.

    This is just the tip of the iceberg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Need stronger proof than this to prove it.
    True, hence the need to investigate. The only person here acting like it is considered absolute proof is you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Need stronger proof than this to prove it.
    And you REALLY don't want anyone to look for it do you?
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    It may be people from Massachusetts but it may still be legal.

    http://archive.boston.com/news/local...altered_state/

    Families relocating from Massachusetts to New Hampshire are slowly changing its lifestyle

    A recent study conducted by the University of New Hampshire confirms what curmudgeons in these parts have been complaining about for a long time: The Granite State may be turning into a suburb of Boston.

    The report, "The Changing Faces of New Hampshire: Recent Demographic Trends in the Granite State," released last month by the Carsey Institute at the University of New Hampshire, indicates that nearly 25 percent of New Hampshire residents were born in Massachusetts, and Internal Revenue Service data indicate that the largest source of new migrants to New Hampshire is Greater Boston.

    According to the report, 57 percent of the current population of New Hampshire were born outside the state. The national average is about 40 percent.

    "I was surprised at the turnover," Kenneth M. Johnson, the author of the report, said last week. "Everyone thinks of New Hampshire as such a quaint, stable state, but only seven other states have fewer residents born in state, and those are states you'd expect, like Florida, Nevada, and California."

    The report states that the majority of the migrants moved to the southern tier of the Granite State, which appears to be becoming part of the "peripheral sprawl of the Boston metropolitan area."

    The mountains and the Lakes Region also attracted a large number of migrants, the majority of them retirees.

    Slightly more than 78,000 people moved to New Hampshire from Boston between 2001 and 2006, resulting in a 2006 population in the Granite State of 1,315,000. Families moving to New Hampshire from metropolitan Boston tend to be relatively affluent, with a mean income considerably higher than existing New Hampshire households.
    That is from 2008.

    Newer figure: http://www.unionleader.com/politics/...d-out-12272016

    In 2012, 42 percent of the people living here were born here. 2012 is the most recent year such figures are available.

    Today, one in four residents in New Hampshire were born in Massachusetts. The next-closest is New York; one in every 20 New Hampshire residents was born in the Empire State.
    25% of people in New Hampshire came from Massachusetts. Legally. Maybe they need a New Hampshire Wall to keep them out.

    The biggest contributor to this net immigration to New Hampshire in 2015 was Massachusetts. That’s because 11,000 more residents came from there to here (MA to NH) last year than went from here to there (NH to MA).
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 09-07-2017 at 06:47 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Zip don't live there so he has an outside perspective, far removed from your observation, of local politics. You are just too "caught up in it." You need to step back and take a Zippy perspective.
    Maybe somebody can find it, my search fu is weak tonight...

    I swear there was a published story last year that quoted some leftist group that was encouraging Mass voters to illegally vote in NH, and how to skirt the residency requirements.

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    Zippy is on a roll tonight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post

    Families relocating from Massachusetts to New Hampshire are slowly changing its lifestyle

    This is the big reason why I don't waste my time running away and trying to find a freedom spot. Places can change fairly fast. Pretty soon--you're running away again.

    Here's an analogy: Massachusetts transplants are to New Hampshire as ZippyJuan & Co. are to ____________________ Forums.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I do think that ID should be required for certain things like carrying a concealed weapon...




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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    That is from 2008.
    Yes it is.

    And while we have an ongoing problem with that, there has been a shift over the last ten years.

    Many are bypassing NH and going to Maine.

    Furthermore, this is why I am now opposed to all immigration, legal or otherwise.

    I live where I live for a reason, not by happenstance or a job or throwing dart at a map.

    I want to live in New England...OK?

    Not New Somalia, nor New Ghana, nor New Singapore, nor New Trashcanistan.

    I live here, I've raised my family here, I own property here, I pay the King's squatters fees here.

    I have a right to determine the surroundings in which I live, a right to self determination, a right to distance myself from the insane mob that is running amok across this country, screaming in my face that they want me dead.

    Since I pay the King's ransom, and theye tell me that taking up arms is no longer a viable solution, then I furthermore have a right to make my wishes known, to have a representative that represents me at the King's court.

    And the King has a duty to determine that only fellow subjects of the realm have that voice.

    If we are going to live in a neo-feudalistic state, then by god so be it.

    Oh, and one other thing, I longer have a single $#@! to give to anybody who finds the above statements, racist, xenophobic or "hateful".

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    This is the big reason why I don't waste my time running away and trying to find a freedom spot. Places can change fairly fast. Pretty soon--you're running away again.

    Here's an analogy: Massachusetts transplants are to New Hampshire as ZippyJuan & Co. are to ____________________ Forums.
    When you are completely overrun you have to move, but until then don't give up without a fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    When you are completely overrun you have to move, but until then don't give up without a fight.

    Yep. And look how many members left this site because of the shenaniganists. Just sort of rolled over. If you can't even take care of business on a simple website, then you will get steamrolled in the real world.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I do think that ID should be required for certain things like carrying a concealed weapon...




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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    This is the big reason why I don't waste my time running away and trying to find a freedom spot. Places can change fairly fast. Pretty soon--you're running away again.

    Here's an analogy: Massachusetts transplants are to New Hampshire as ZippyJuan & Co. are to ____________________ Forums.
    The Granite State may be turning into a suburb of Boston
    I'm sure the Bolshevik mobs would love that to be the case, but we still have a few tricks up our sleeve.

    You will not find the single best, most comprehensive freedom oriented gun laws in a suburb of Boston, for instance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Zippy is on a roll tonight.

    Ole Zipper John is slippery like butter!


    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I do think that ID should be required for certain things like carrying a concealed weapon...




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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    When you are completely overrun you have to move, but until then don't give up without a fight.
    I have a buddy of mine out on the Cape, he called over the weekend utterly despondent.

    He has made his politics very clear, from being a deacon in his small conservative church that refuses to fly the faq flag, to being active in local and national politics. (Yes, he's a Trump supporter)

    He is surrounded in this small town by Bolsheviks, weirdosexuals of every stripe and various leftists of all sorts.

    Apparently they have started to wage a quiet form of political jihad against him, denying access to public buildings for church meetings, moving his property, calling cops and code enforcement for petty issues...that sort of thing, all starting over the past month or so.

    I told him to leave, to get out...all you can be is a martyr now...you're going to lose your temper, do something stupid and end up in jail.

    There is no point in living in a community that overwhelmingly hates you and everything you stand for, and rely the same system (cops, judges courts) that put this place, to try and protect you.

    This is why separation and secession is the only answer.

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    I regret that I have but one neg rep to give this shill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post

    This is why separation and secession is the only answer.
    You speak truth. It's not like things are gonna get any better. Unfortunately those of like minds are experiencing a pincer move by the right and left. We seriously need a Galt's Gulch.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    Sorting out this issue will require several polls, IMHO.
    1. Don't lie.
    2. Don't cheat.
    3. Don't steal.
    4. Don't kill.
    5. Don't commit adultery.
    6. Don't covet what your neighbor has, especially his wife.
    7. Honor your father and mother.
    8. Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.
    9. Donít use your Higher Power's name in vain, or anyone else's.
    10. Do unto others as you would have them do to you.

    "For the love of money is the root of all evil..." -- I Timothy 6:10, KJV

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