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    China has announced a "new world order" for world oil markets that could have profound effects on the global economy and the monetary order itself. But as The Shanghai International Energy Exchange gears up for operation, it's important to note yet again that this is another engineered conflict with the pre-determined death of the dollar system being used to bring in the new multipolar world order that the NWO has been openly working toward for decades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bunklocoempire View Post
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    I wouldn't worry about it.
    How is it "gold backed"? It is an energy futures trading exchange. http://www.shfe.com.cn/en/Announceme...911327625.html

    The exchange isn't handling gold. The article refers to their (the Chinese) gold exchange which is a different market.

    "To further entice trade, China says the yuan will be fully convertible to gold on exchanges in Shanghai and Hong Kong."

    So if you wanted to "gold back" your Chinese energy futures, you need to sell those futures on the energy exchange and then buy gold futures on the other exchange. Nothing you can't do in other countries like the US or Britain. If the Energy Exchange is actually gold backed you should be able to redeem your energy futures for gold directly. I don't see anywhere they are going to be doing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    How is it "gold backed"? It is an energy futures trading exchange. http://www.shfe.com.cn/en/Announceme...911327625.html

    The exchange isn't handling gold. The article refers to their (the Chinese) gold exchange which is a different market.

    "To further entice trade, China says the yuan will be fully convertible to gold on exchanges in Shanghai and Hong Kong."

    So if you wanted to "gold back" your Chinese energy futures, you need to sell those futures on the energy exchange and then buy gold futures on the other exchange. Nothing you can't do in other countries like the US or Britain. If the Energy Exchange is actually gold backed you should be able to redeem your energy futures for gold directly. I don't see anywhere they are going to be doing that.

    Why would anybody listen to you? You have six red reputation bars, so are hardly a good source of information. This article below talks about a first Chinese commodity contract opening up.

    Even if it's not directly gold backed, the Yuan's recent history seems comparable to the US dollar (see graphs below). Yuan has generally risen the past 30+ years, while the US dollar has slowly declined the past 50 years.


    The crude oil futures will be the first commodity contract in China open to foreign investment funds, trading houses, and oil firms. The circumvention of U.S. dollar trade could allow oil exporters such as Russia and Iran, for example, to bypass U.S. sanctions by trading in yuan, according to Nikkei Asian Review.

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    China’s pricing of assets in yuan – coupled with the Hong Kong Stock Exchange’s plan to sell physical gold contracts priced in the currency – will create a system where countries can sidestep the US banking system, Tinker said in an Aug 30 note.

    http://www.eurasiareview.com/0509201...ked-yuan-oped/






















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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    How is it "gold backed"? It is an energy futures trading exchange. http://www.shfe.com.cn/en/Announceme...911327625.html

    The exchange isn't handling gold. The article refers to their (the Chinese) gold exchange which is a different market.

    "To further entice trade, China says the yuan will be fully convertible to gold on exchanges in Shanghai and Hong Kong."

    So if you wanted to "gold back" your Chinese energy futures, you need to sell those futures on the energy exchange and then buy gold futures on the other exchange. Nothing you can't do in other countries like the US or Britain. If the Energy Exchange is actually gold backed you should be able to redeem your energy futures for gold directly. I don't see anywhere they are going to be doing that.
    China is buying Oil Futures with Gold-Backed Yuan... it's kind of a striking blow to the #Petrodollar if you're paying attention...

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    It is (and has always been) about the Petrodollar's hegemony (hegeMONEY? ) Nations that have tried to circumvent the petrodollar found themselves on the receiving end of bombs, missiles, and regime change.

    China is now DIRECTLY challenging that hegemony with the PetroYuan... and Saudi may just give the US the middle finger if it turns out to be profitable, stable, and in their interest to do so. The death of the dollar has been talked about, especially by RON PAUL, for decades.... this war just got hot.
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    China basically just RESET the world reserve currency system... if you think that is not a big deal, well....
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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    China is buying Oil Futures with Gold-Backed Yuan... it's kind of a striking blow to the #Petrodollar if you're paying attention...

    The yuan isn't gold backed. They can be converted into gold if you use yuan to buy gold futures on the Shanghai Gold Exchange. Or you can use money to buy gold someplace else too.

    To further entice trade, China says the yuan will be fully convertible into gold on exchanges in Shanghai and Hong Kong.
    The gold exchange is not the same thing as the energy exchange.

    Yuan-denominated gold futures have been traded on the Shanghai Gold Exchange since April 2016, and the exchange is planning to launch the product in Budapest later this year.

    Yuan-denominated gold contracts were also launched in Hong Kong in July -- after two unsuccessful earlier attempts -- as China seeks to internationalize its currency. The contracts have been moderately successful.

    The existence of yuan-backed oil and gold futures means that users will have the option of being paid in physical gold, said Alasdair Macleod, head of research at Goldmoney, a gold-based financial services company based in Toronto. "It is a mechanism which is likely to appeal to oil producers that prefer to avoid using dollars, and are not ready to accept that being paid in yuan for oil sales to China is a good idea either," Macleod said.
    Not exactly. The Shanghai Energy Exchange will not pay you in gold. They will pay you in yuan which you can then take over to the other exchange- the Shanghai Gold Exchange- and buy gold futures with your own money there. Or buy physical gold someplace else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The yuan isn't gold backed.
    A report released by the Nikkei Asian Review indicates that China is prepared to release a RMB Yuan denominated Crude Oil futures contract that is convertible, aka backed by physical Gold.
    http://www.livetradingnews.com/china...tem-53992.html
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    The dollar is as backed by gold as the yuan is. You can go to a gold exchange and buy gold futures here too. You can convert dollars directly into gold at any coin shop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    How is it "gold backed"? It is an energy futures trading exchange. http://www.shfe.com.cn/en/Announceme...911327625.html

    The exchange isn't handling gold. The article refers to their (the Chinese) gold exchange which is a different market.

    "To further entice trade, China says the yuan will be fully convertible to gold on exchanges in Shanghai and Hong Kong."

    So if you wanted to "gold back" your Chinese energy futures, you need to sell those futures on the energy exchange and then buy gold futures on the other exchange. Nothing you can't do in other countries like the US or Britain. If the Energy Exchange is actually gold backed you should be able to redeem your energy futures for gold directly. I don't see anywhere they are going to be doing that.
    SGE is a physical gold market, especially compared to the laughable 'gold market' called COMEX. Send oil to China, receive yuan letter of credit, turn yuan letter of credit in at the SGE (or PBOC), take delivery of physical gold from SGE.

    Of course, the Saudis will quickly shift over to the yuan market (assuming they haven't already and we're simply not privy to it yet) instead of dollar markets since they go where the gold is to sell their oil. A secret of the petrodollar standard has been that the Saudis were converting much of their dollar proceeds into physical gold the whole time, in a similar manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    China basically just RESET the world reserve currency system... if you think that is not a big deal, well....
    I agree that the dollar's days as reserve currency are numbered, but I don't see how you can tell that this does it. It may, but we'll see.

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    So, why have an oil contract backed by gold?

    1) price stability during contract?

    2) a way to avoid dollars.

    is that the jist of this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    So, why have an oil contract backed by gold?

    1) price stability during contract?

    2) a way to avoid dollars.

    is that the jist of this?
    1) value for value (as opposed to price vs price since price is a currency measure)

    2) yes (dollar is nothing more than a unit of measure in trade, hence why DX is a measure of dollar against other currencies [price vs price], not dollar against value)
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    1) value for value (as opposed to price vs price since price is a currency measure)

    2) yes (dollar is nothing more than a unit of measure in trade, hence why DX is a measure of dollar against other currencies [price vs price], not dollar against value)
    Just thought of number 3.

    3) Economic preparation for war (Korea?) to trade oil without dollars?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    Just thought of number 3.

    3) Economic preparation for war (Korea?) to trade oil without dollars?
    Very possible. I'm not convinced there will be a war but yes, segregation of economic avenues is standard war prep. However, economic war prep like that is historically more about a long term (well after the war is concluded) goal than specifically about an impending war. Always remember that all wars are banker wars. Wars are a way to justify large-scale global economic changes that otherwise wouldn't be feasible.
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    Venezuela pricing oil in yuan. Seems to me that all these sanctions and threats of sanctions against various entities only serve as an excuse for them to switch away from petrodollars. Bankers always like to push the blame for major economic changes onto the "little guys", when it was a banker plan all along.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...ket-price-yuan
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Venezuela pricing oil in yuan. Seems to me that all these sanctions and threats of sanctions against various entities only serve as an excuse for them to switch away from petrodollars. Bankers always like to push the blame for major economic changes onto the "little guys", when it was a banker plan all along.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...ket-price-yuan
    They are listing prices in yuan but using dollar pricing to do so. The US is their #1 customer- we buy $15 billion of their total $25 billion worth of oil exports (China buys about $6 billion worth) and sell them back refined oil products they are unable to produce (their refineries can't handle their harsh oil) like gasoline. http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/ven/ Oil sales are their #1 source of government revenues.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-v...-idUSKCN1BQ2D1

    A weekly Oil Ministry bulletin published on Friday listed September prices in yuan, while including prices from previous weeks and months in dollars.
    Venezuela’s yuan-based prices appear to be the result of multiplying dollar prices by the dollar/yuan exchange rate.
    But Venezuela remains dependent on the greenback given that it conducts ample commercial trade with the United States both through exports of oil and imports of U.S. food and consumer products.
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    "They are listing prices in yuan but using dollar pricing to do so."

    That's the dumbest thing you've ever posted. Unless they post a price in troy ounces of gold, their own local currency or an SDR, the price will always be some variation of a current currency exchange rate. If it's not priced in dollars then it is not dollar priced. It's yuan priced, which can be converted into a dollar price. Do you even Forex bro?
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    "They are listing prices in yuan but using dollar pricing to do so."

    That's the dumbest thing you've ever posted. Unless they post a price in troy ounces of gold, their own local currency or an SDR, the price will always be some variation of a current currency exchange rate. If it's not priced in dollars then it is not dollar priced. It's yuan priced, which can be converted into a dollar price. Do you even Forex bro?
    Your link hinted that they were using a yuan price to avoid using the dollar. They aren't avoiding using the dollar. It isn't any switch from "petrodollars" you claim.

    Venezuela pricing oil in yuan. Seems to me that all these sanctions and threats of sanctions against various entities only serve as an excuse for them to switch away from petrodollars.
    The US- which buys 2/3rds of their oil- is still paying in dollars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Your link hinted that they were using a yuan price to avoid using the dollar. They aren't avoiding using the dollar. It isn't any switch from "petrodollars" you claim.



    The US- which buys 2/3rds of their oil- is still paying in dollars.
    The point is, they are no longer selling 100% of their oil for dollars.

    The point is, China has had enough of doing like all the rest of the world does, and buying dollars which they then use to buy oil. The point is, China has just enough muscle to challenge our habit of using our military to prop up your bosses at the Federal Reserve. The point you are working so hard to obfuscate and gloss over is, the value of the Federal Reserve Note is entirely dependent upon supply and demand. Which means your bosses at the Fed can only create so much of it out of thin air without crashing the value of it. Our military has enabled them to print more by bombing the $#@! out of any country that sells oil for anything but Federal Reserve Notes (like Iraq and Libya), because when other countries have to buy dollars before they can buy oil, that artificially raises the demand side of the supply/demand balance. If China starts refusing to buy Federal Reserve Notes to buy oil, and threatens to retaliate if we bomb the $#@! out of the oil producing nations which sell them that oil, then your bosses at the Fed can't create as much money out of thin air without severely outstripping demand, and Zimbabwe-izing their own product.

    So, is the Petrodollar era over? Or do we go to war with China, and whatever nations (like Russia) decide to join them?
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    The point is, they are no longer selling 100% of their oil for dollars.
    Did they actually sell any oil in yuan? They reported oil sales figures in yuan- after converting that from oil sales in terms of dollars. Even if China did pay for their $6 billion in yuan, that is a drop in the bucket. US GDP alone uses over $14 trillion in $US every year. Global oil sales are about $800 billion a year- it is also just a very tiny portion of that (0.75%). It isn't the end of the dollar or anything significant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Did they actually sell any oil in yuan? They reported oil sales figures in yuan- after converting that from oil sales in terms of dollars. Even if China did pay for their $6 billion in yuan, that is a drop in the bucket. US GDP alone uses over $14 trillion in $US every year. Global oil sales are about $800 billion a year- it is also just a very tiny portion of that (0.75%). It isn't the end of the dollar or anything significant.
    This is like saying that if my local Wal-Mart started pricing a 6 pack of Coke in yuan they're really expecting payment denominated in dollars. The yuan figure is just ornamental.

    Currency exchange rates is a big way the bankers try to keep people confused. As if there's a yuge numerical difference between 100 yen and 1(.00) dollar, eg. Gold negates all that mess since an oz of gold never changes value. Only the currency prices change measured against gold. Eons old "magic", indeed. A tradition even!
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    This is like saying that if my local Wal-Mart started pricing a 6 pack of Coke in yuan they're really expecting payment denominated in dollars. The yuan figure is just ornamental.

    Currency exchange rates is a big way the bankers try to keep people confused. As if there's a yuge numerical difference between 100 yen and 1(.00) dollar, eg. Gold negates all that mess since an oz of gold never changes value. Only the currency prices change measured against gold. Eons old "magic", indeed. A tradition even!
    If Walmart starts pricing Coke in yuan, they won't sell any. Or they will still buy and pay in dollars. Their customers don't have any yuan to spend at a Walmart so bad example.

    http://oilprice.com/Geopolitics/Inte...irst-Time.html

    Venezuela’s choice to price its oil in yuan is an interesting, if not toothless maneuver, that goes against earlier reports that it would favor the Euro. Still, the oil prices appear to be based on a U.S. dollar to Yuan conversion. It is unlikely that China would ever join Washington on its quest to force Mauro to end his campaign to rewrite Venezuela’s constitution in what many see as a step in bringing the downtrodden country closer to dictatorship, so the choice of yuan seems a safe one, if nothing else. After all, Venezuela has borrowed nearly $60 billion from China in exchange for selling oil at a discount—the details of which are a bit murky.

    But safe, Venezuela is not, as its state-run oil company, PDVSA, slips ever closer to default, and with little hope that things will turn around. And that $60 billion that Venezuela owes to China is supposed to be paid back in oil—oil that Venezuela isn’t producing. Venezuela’s production, according to OPEC’s secondary sources, have been on a steady decline in recent years, averaging 2,375 bpd in 2015, and falling to 2,159 bpd in 2016. Venezuela’s 2017 production fell even further, starting out in Q1 averaging 2,057 bpd and finally reaching an average of 1,918 bpd in August.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    If Walmart starts pricing Coke in yuan, they won't sell any. Or they will still buy and pay in dollars. Their customers don't have any yuan to spend at a Walmart so bad example.
    Or they could make you convert your dollars to yuan at the door if you wish to buy Coke. With a small conversion surcharge to the bank, of course

    Seems the details are always a bit murky. Murky enough that some banker has to explain it.
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