US Catholic Bishops blast Trump for rescinding DACA

[Ender]

DACA was a case of the executive branch violating the law.

As for the DACA "Kids", they might be given some form of compromise by congress, but only if it comes with immediate increased border enforcement, otherwise you create an incentive for more invaders to come and bring their children.

From the Judge's article above:

Before signing his executive orders, Obama tried to persuade Congress to amend federal immigration laws so as to permit those who came here illegally and bore children here and those who came here illegally as infants to remain here with work permits, high school diplomas, Social Security numbers, jobs and other indicia of stability and permanence. After Congress declined to vote on the Obama proposals, he authored his now-famous DACA and DAPA executive orders. He basically decided to do on his own what Congress had declined to do legislatively.

But Obama’s executive orders were not novel; they merely formalized what every president since Ronald Reagan — including President Donald Trump — has effectively done. Each has declined to deport undocumented immigrants who bore children here or who were brought here as young children. President Obama alone showed the courage to put this in writing, thereby giving immigrants notice of what they need to do to avoid deportation and the government notice of whose deportations should not occur.

And

Morally, most of the beneficiaries of DACA are fully Americanized young adults who know no other life but what they have here and have no roots in the countries of their births. Many are serving the U.S. in the military. Constitutionally, DACA has effectively been in place since 1986, and 800,000 people younger than 40 have planned their lives in reliance upon it. Legally, once a benefit has been given by the government and relied upon, the courts are reluctant to rescind it, even though the 5th Circuit showed no such reluctance.

Economically, the summary removal of more than three-quarters of a million people from the workforce would have serious negative consequences for their employers and dependents and for delicate economic forces, and there would be negative economic consequences to the government, as well, as each claimed hardship case — each person whose deportation is ordered — is entitled to a hearing at the government’s expense.

[Swordsmyth]

From the Judge's article above:

Habitual violation does not justify itself, and formalization was a way to encourage more invaders to come.

[bunklocoempire]

thank goodness for separation of church and state. These bishops can $#@! off!

I think these bishops have a pretty good idea of just what kind of "church" the state has already become.

[r3volution 3.0]

End the welfare state and the drug war and immigration will fix itself.

For most anti-immigrant people, the mere presence of the immigrants is itself the problem.

Muh culture and whatnot...

DACA was a case of the executive branch violating the law.

As far as I'm concerned, federal immigration restrictions are altogether unconstitutional, and one cannot violate a law which is already void. That said, if one's only objection to DACA is constitutional, one should have no problem with the Congress reimplementing it. Clearly, most of the talk of constitutionality is cover for other motivations. If you think Trump, or Sessions, or Hannity, or any of these raging statists have truly, all-of-the-sudden become constitutionalists, I've a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

[donnay]

As James Wood's so eloquently put it in a tweet;

"#DACA is a yet another voter fraud scam by the Democrats, pure and simple. #DemocratLarvae
— James Woods (@RealJamesWoods) September 4, 2017

[CaptUSA]

Pretty tall order, tough enough to get the native population to go along with that, impossible to do if you have an imported voter base of tens of millions that want the welfare state.

You realize that applies to almost everyone, right? Not just immigrants. And since people covered by DACA don't get voting rights, you're really talking about their children. Like I said in my previous post, if we're going to start deporting people because of how their descendants may vote in the future, you would have had to stop that parade generations ago! Because most of the country has no problems using government to get things they want.

You're no more likely to convince someone in the "native" population to stop giving government power than you are of convincing the child of a DACA immigrant. Even less so if you've been bad-mouthing their families for years.

I don't need to know the question; liberty is always the answer. It just takes faith. And trust in your beliefs. I can't tell you how many so-called "free-market" people turn to socialism as soon as a hurricane strikes. In times of strife, that is when liberty is needed the MOST!

[Ender]

Habitual violation does not justify itself, and formalization was a way to encourage more invaders to come.

Invaders....... that would be most all "Americans".

And, if we're going to preach about obeying the CONstitution, let's start with getting out of all those $#@!ty unconstitutional wars- ya think?

[euphemia]

Catholic charities get a lot of taxpayer money for their "resettlement" programs. Link

[Anti Federalist]

For most anti-immigrant people, the mere presence of the immigrants is itself the problem.

Muh culture and whatnot...

Yes, quite right, it is.

There is demographic war being waged, with foreign heads of state making statements like this:

"He is too stupid to realize that one day the minority will become the majority." - Vincente Fox

Every day I read some new call, some new missive, some new exhortation to have myself and my family and everything I believe in wiped out, disenfranchised or outright exterminated. And a stunning number of these are not some rant from an anonymous internet person, but from "respected" sources in academia, government, the media and so on.

Taking that into account, and being well aware of what happens in a society when a once powerful and despised majority suddenly becomes a displaced and powerless minority, (genocide happens, in case you are wondering), I'm no longer turning a blind eye toward it, and wrapping myself in naive fantasies of all holding hands and singing "We Are The World".

I'm getting similar "feedback" from a lot of other people as well, in the few places where you can still freely speak.

The current narrative is to place this unrest at Trump's feet, and his supporters. Well, all you have to do is look back in my post history and see I never was a Trump supporter, and still am not, outside of mild praise at some of the few things done right or better than what would have been done under Clinton.

What Trump has done however, is kick over the ant hill and expose an entire network of people, millions of people, that would happily, in the words of one Hollywood producer, have me exterminated.

Of course, he had no awareness that he was doing this, but it was done, just the same.

Ignore that at your own peril, since, as I have shown numerous times already, just by virtue of being here, you're a Nazi as well.

[Danke]

Yes, quite right, it is.

There is demographic war being waged, with foreign heads of state making statements like this:

"He is too stupid to realize that one day the minority will become the majority." - Vincente Fox

Every day I read some new call, some new missive, some new exhortation to have myself and my family and everything I believe in wiped out, disenfranchised or outright exterminated. And a stunning number of these are not some rant from an anonymous internet person, but from "respected" sources in academia, government, the media and so on.

Taking that into account, and being well aware of what happens in a society when a once powerful and despised majority suddenly becomes a displaced and powerless minority, (genocide happens, in case you are wondering), I'm no longer turning a blind eye toward it, and wrapping myself in naive fantasies of all holding hands and singing "We Are The World".

I'm getting similar "feedback" from a lot of other people as well, in the few places where you can still freely speak.

The current narrative is to place this unrest at Trump's feet, and his supporters. Well, all you have to do is look back in my post history and see I never was a Trump supporter, and still am not, outside of mild praise at some of the few things done right or better than what would have been done under Clinton.

What Trump has done however, is kick over the ant hill and expose an entire network of people, millions of people, that would happily, in the words of one Hollywood producer, have me exterminated.

Of course, he had no awareness that he was doing this, but it was done, just the same.

Ignore that at your own peril, since, as I have shown numerous times already, just by virtue of being here, you're a Nazi as well.

I'm guessing most who support increases in illegals are not having 50-60% of their income taken by government.

[Swordsmyth]

Invaders....... that would be most all "Americans".

No, I like most Americans am a natural born descendant of successful invaders or those who not violating the rules of the ruling nation state when they came.

The natives who lost to the invaders back then are a good example of why we must not allow a successful invasion of our society.

And, if we're going to preach about obeying the CONstitution, let's start with getting out of all those $#@!ty unconstitutional wars- ya think?

I agree but I can walk and chew gum at the same time.

[Swordsmyth]

You realize that applies to almost everyone, right? Not just immigrants. And since people covered by DACA don't get voting rights, you're really talking about their children. Like I said in my previous post, if we're going to start deporting people because of how their descendants may vote in the future, you would have had to stop that parade generations ago! Because most of the country has no problems using government to get things they want.

You're no more likely to convince someone in the "native" population to stop giving government power than you are of convincing the child of a DACA immigrant. Even less so if you've been bad-mouthing their families for years.

I don't need to know the question; liberty is always the answer. It just takes faith. And trust in your beliefs. I can't tell you how many so-called "free-market" people turn to socialism as soon as a hurricane strikes. In times of strife, that is when liberty is needed the MOST!

Illegals vote, Obummer encouraged it.

[Swordsmyth]

As far as I'm concerned, federal immigration restrictions are altogether unconstitutional, and one cannot violate a law which is already void. That said, if one's only objection to DACA is constitutional, one should have no problem with the Congress reimplementing it. Clearly, most of the talk of constitutionality is cover for other motivations. If you think Trump, or Sessions, or Hannity, or any of these raging statists have truly, all-of-the-sudden become constitutionalists, I've a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

If Congress approves a replacement then I will object on the grounds of bad policy unless it is coupled with an immediate boost to border enforcement to prevent the precedent from encouraging more invaders to come and bring their children.

The Constitution does give congress power over immigration, there are other threads where I have proved that so I won't derail this one to argue it again.

See:
Article 1 Section 9

[CaptUSA]

Illegals vote, Obummer encouraged it.

So do dumbasses. Both parties encourage it.

Listen, the point of my comment is that you can't get more liberty by restricting liberty. It doesn't matter who is voting, they all vote to take away your liberty and mine. We don't need to be part of it. DACA or no DACA, it doesn't matter. The real problem with immigration is the restrictions on our liberty. The welfare state and the drug war. I understand the impulse to say, "well, we can't correct one government-created problem, so we need more government to fix it", but that NEVER works.