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    I'm confused. What does this mean? Did they already raise the debt ceiling or does it still need to be signed?



    http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3...g-debt-package


    Also does this mean Trump is going to work with democrats so they can both get spending they want? Is that what is happening?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I'm confused. What does this mean? Did they already raise the debt ceiling or does it still need to be signed?

    http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3...g-debt-package

    Also does this mean Trump is going to work with democrats so they can both get spending they want? Is that what is happening?
    The details aren't being released yet AFAIK, but it looks like the deal is for Dems to vote (in near future, hasn't yet happened) with leftist GOPers, over the objection of conservatives, to pass a "clean" debt ceiling increase: i.e. no spending cuts. Presumably the Harvey funding is also going to be in the bill, and without any offsetting spending cuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I'm confused. What does this mean? Did they already raise the debt ceiling or does it still need to be signed?

    http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3...g-debt-package

    Also does this mean Trump is going to work with democrats so they can both get spending they want? Is that what is happening?
    Did you read the article you linked to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Did you read the article you linked to?
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    The details aren't being released yet AFAIK, but it looks like the deal is for Dems to vote (in near future, hasn't yet happened) with leftist GOPers, over the objection of conservatives, to pass a "clean" debt ceiling increase: i.e. no spending cuts. Presumably the Harvey funding is also going to be in the bill, and without any offsetting spending cuts.

    MAGA!

    I wonder if the wall is going to be included. Maybe for the next debt ceiling crisis? An article on zerohedge makes it sound like everything will come to a head in December, but if they extend the debt ceiling to Dec they'll be able to go until maybe April of next year before they run out of money. It's going to be interesting to watch the debt climb over the next few months. It'll probably be like 200 or 300 billion a month.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...imit-extension

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I wonder if the wall is going to be included.
    Not if the Dems are voting for it.

    Maybe for the next debt ceiling crisis? An article on zerohedge makes it sound like everything will come to a head in December, but if they extend the debt ceiling to Dec they'll be able to go until maybe April of next year before they run out of money. It's going to be interesting to watch the debt climb over the next few months. It'll probably be like 200 or 300 billion a month.
    If this goes the way it's looking right now, yea, December or early next year.

    Between now and then Trump and the other leftist GOPers will promise, pinky swear, to do fiscal reform next time.

    Then, well, you know, we can't shut the government down can we? We might lose the Senate!
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    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Not if the Dems are voting for it.
    I don't know, what if Trump offered them something really big like universal healthcare?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I don't know, what if Trump offered them something really big like universal healthcare?
    They'd go for that, but he's not going to offer it, not at this point anyway, when he still has strong support within the GOP.

    But I could easily see him doing deals of that magnitude with the Dems in a couple years.
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

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    I'm holding judgement on this until I hear the interdimensional-chess Trumpsplanation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Then, well, you know, we can't shut the government down can we? We might lose the Senate!
    Shut 'er down... a lot less damage will be done that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't care if it passes. Bring on the Government Shutdown.
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    Expect one in September.
    More Trump dreams ruined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    More Trump dreams ruined.
    These people know what they are though, they shamelessly will defend him and his ilk because he is part of the machine. Trump has always been part of the machine. The scammers are part of the machine though too, the ones that scammed people into thinking he wasn't part of the machine. They don't care if you prove them wrong, they just care about spinning his chaos into other peoples problems. They will come in here and blame the congress not the conman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    I'm holding judgement on this until I hear the interdimensional-chess Trumpsplanation.
    This guy bashes Trump a lot, and he bashes the people who cry "5D chess" when Trump does something he disagrees with, but here he is coming around.

    https://www.pscp.tv/Cernovich/1YqxomgWXVZGv?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    This guy bashes Trump a lot, and he bashes the people who cry "5D chess" when Trump does something he disagrees with, but here he is coming around.

    https://www.pscp.tv/Cernovich/1YqxomgWXVZGv?
    The best part of live broadcasts are the fruedian slips
    'I'm all for criticizing trump when your supposed but if trump made a deal with somebody- if trump made a deal with somebody- and you think its a bad deal you should actually stop for a minute and go its probably not a good deal '-

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    The best part of live broadcasts are the fruedian slips
    'I'm all for criticizing trump when your supposed but if trump made a deal with somebody- if trump made a deal with somebody- and you think its a bad deal you should actually stop for a minute and go its probably not a good deal '-

    Dumb comment, that was a mis-speak, not a freudian slip, and it happened in like the first 30 seconds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Dumb comment, that was a mis-speak, not a freudian slip, and it happened in like the first 30 seconds.
    I don't know there was this magical popup that said yes, you are honest when he said 'I'm all for criticizing trump when your supposed but if trump made a deal with somebody- if trump made a deal with somebody- and you think its a bad deal you should actually stop for a minute and go its probably not a good deal '

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    December 15, how convenient for the swamp creatures like McConnell and Schumer. Right before the holidays, so they can hold Congress and the nation hostage. "We have to pass this monstrous bill before Christmas, otherwise we have to stay through the holidays and shut the government down! We don't want to do this, but we have no choice!"
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    Shocked, shocked I tell you!

    Or maybe not. From two years ago:

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Rand is ahead of the curve on this. Most people wouldn't know how bad Trump would be until he was President. When Trump doesn't do the things he promised, and he starts to cut deals with the Democrats, will people get mad? When Trump uses the full force of government for personal vendettas, will people get mad?

    IMHO, Trump as President would be similar to Schwarzenegger as Governor. He would eventually work with the Democrats and essentially become a Democrat. The difference would be that Trump would probably be more vindictive and use government to go after critics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    December 15, how convenient for the swamp creatures like McConnell and Schumer. Right before the holidays, so they can hold Congress and the nation hostage. "We have to pass this monstrous bill before Christmas, otherwise we have to stay through the holidays and shut the government down! We don't want to do this, but we have no choice!"
    If the new debt ceiling expires Dec 15 I'm assuming they won't have to make a deal until 3-5 months later. This last debt ceiling suspension expired in mar so they made it about 6 months before running out of funds. I'm assuming 3 months is not enough time to replenish all the cash they used so it won't be as long this time around before they run out.

    I'm still confused about this. All the articles make it sound like a done deal, but it sounds to me like nothing is official yet. Can't the republicans turn around and offer Trump a better deal?
    Last edited by Madison320; 09-07-2017 at 01:47 PM.

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    Senate Passes Debt-Limit Deal Trump Struck With Democrats

    The Senate voted to extend the U.S. debt limit as part of a $15.25 billion bill providing funds for Hurricane Harvey victims under a deal struck by President Donald Trump and Democratic leaders that roiled Republican lawmakers.

    The 80-17 vote Thursday would suspend the debt limit and keep the government open through Dec. 8 and finance aid to flood victims in Texas and other parts of the Gulf coast. The measure now goes to the House for consideration, where even small-government Republicans in opposition predict it will pass because of the urgent need for storm funds.

    Trump’s decision to accept the deal undercut GOP leaders in the House and Senate, as well as his own Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, who had been arguing for a longer-term debt-limit extension. It also left Republicans blindsided, angry and disappointed with their own leaders and, to a lesser degree, Trump.

    The episode provided the latest illustration of the bind Republicans find themselves in. Even though they control the White House and both chambers of Congress, they’ve been unable to set aside their own differences to get much done.

    Republicans say Democrats likely will gain the upper hand in negotiations when the short-term agreements are due to expire in December as lawmakers race to complete their work to go on recess. The agenda is expected to include Trump’s proposed border wall with Mexico, his decision to end a program that lets young undocumented immigrants stay in the U.S., and perhaps the debt limit.

    Failed Amendments

    Before the final vote on the bill, H.R. 601, the Senate rejected amendments by Republican Rand Paul of Kentucky that would have required foreign aid cuts to offset the disaster assistance and by Republican Ben Sasse of Nebraska that would have dropped the debt-limit extension and stopgap spending from the disaster measure.
    ...
    More: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...with-democrats
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    Here are the senators who voted against the bill:

    Bob Corker (Tennessee)

    Steve Daines (Montana)

    Mike Enzi (Wyoming)

    Joni Ernst (Iowa)

    Deb Fischer (Nebraska)

    Jeff Flake (Arizona)

    Lindsey Graham (South Carolina)

    Chuck Grassley (Iowa)

    Ron Johnson (Wisconsin)

    James Lankford (Oklahoma)

    Mike Lee (Utah)

    John McCain (Arizona)

    Jerry Moran (Kansas)

    Rand Paul (Kentucky)

    James Risch (Idaho)

    Ben Sasse (Nebraska)

    Pat Toomey (Pennsylvania)
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    These people know what they are though, they shamelessly will defend him and his ilk because he is part of the machine. Trump has always been part of the machine. The scammers are part of the machine though too, the ones that scammed people into thinking he wasn't part of the machine. They don't care if you prove them wrong, they just care about spinning his chaos into other peoples problems. They will come in here and blame the congress not the conman.
    Yep, that seems to be the bread and butter of the Trump playbook.

    ...did it with Obamacare, did it with DACA.

    FOX and other regime media has been pushing this line a lot lately, and the parrots are already squawking it back.

    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Can't the republicans turn around and offer Trump a better deal?
    There are only a handful of GOPers who want a better deal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Here are the senators who voted against the bill:

    Bob Corker (Tennessee)

    Steve Daines (Montana)

    Mike Enzi (Wyoming)

    Joni Ernst (Iowa)

    Deb Fischer (Nebraska)

    Jeff Flake (Arizona)

    Lindsey Graham (South Carolina)

    Chuck Grassley (Iowa)

    Ron Johnson (Wisconsin)

    James Lankford (Oklahoma)

    Mike Lee (Utah)

    John McCain (Arizona)

    Jerry Moran (Kansas)

    Rand Paul (Kentucky)

    James Risch (Idaho)

    Ben Sasse (Nebraska)

    Pat Toomey (Pennsylvania)
    See, that pisses me off...

    The underlined would have happily voted for the bill, but for the fact that it was supported by the Dems.

    They voted against it only because they knew it was going to pass anyway.

    I'd have rather seen it pushed through with Rand and Lee the only Nays, and the rest revealing their true colors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    See, that pisses me off...

    The underlined would have happily voted for the bill, but for the fact that it was supported by the Dems.

    They voted against it only because they knew it was going to pass anyway.

    I'd have rather seen it pushed through with Rand and Lee the only Nays, and the rest revealing their true colors.
    McCain and Graham would happily side with the Democrats. They probably voted no because Trump made the deal and could take credit. Additionally, their neocon advisers probably told them this is a golden (safe) opportunity to make points with vote scoring organizations like Heritage.
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    And where was Ted Cruz? Doing everything he can to placate the establishment so they don't run against him in the primary? Sorry, Ted, too late for that. They will run a primary candidate against you.
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    Jump is a NY Liberal RINO.... this is not exactly news, folks. You Trumphumpers that tried to convert us principled Libertarians and Ron Paul Republicans shouldn't be surprised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    McCain and Graham would happily side with the Democrats.
    If it were necessary for the bill to pass, yes.

    Otherwise, they'd rather pretend to be conservatives.

    Hence this vote.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    And where was Ted Cruz? Doing everything he can to placate the establishment so they don't run against him in the primary? Sorry, Ted, too late for that. They will run a primary candidate against you.
    Ted's from Harveyland. He wasn't going to vote against the aid package: you know, given that he's a whore.
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    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

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    Looks like Trump is taking his marching orders from Chucky Schumer these days. Not really a surprise since Schumer is one the banker's top boys.

    A bill still has to be agreed between the House and Senate and signed to extend the "suspension" (CR) to December 15 (incidentally the same day as Charlottesville guy's court appearance). Last I saw it's not a formal debt ceiling increase, just another suspension. How they'll finagle that with Treasury cash dwindling already, I don't know. Launder some more Treasuries through shell companies probably...

    There was talk on CNBC earlier that the debt ceiling requirement will be repealed altogether. Big doin's underway!
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