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    Default Rand Paul wants to fund Harvey relief with cuts to foreign aid - "America First"

    Rand Paul wants Harvey relief and the debt ceiling bill split into 2 separate bills. Will also push ‘America First’ amendment, which would cover $7.85 billion Harvey relief aid by cutting foreign aid. https://bigleaguepolitics.com/rand-p...irst-amendment

    Rand Paul to Fight Linking Harvey Relief Funding and Debt Ceiling with ‘America First’ Amendment
    Cassandra Fairbanks - Sep 6, 2017

    On Wednesday, the House will be passing a clean funding bill for Harvey relief and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is planning to add an increase in the debt ceiling to the bill. A source has confirmed to Big League Politics that Senator Rand Paul will be fighting the effort.

    Paul will be doing two things to throw a wrench in McConnell and Paul Ryan’s plans to marry the issues.

    First, Paul plans to push for an ‘America First’ amendment which would cover the $7.85 billion Harvey relief funding through foreign aid cuts. In theory, the debt ceiling will still need to be raised soon, but not in conjunction with the FEMA relief funds if the money is offset with budget cuts.

    “It’s a mistake to raise the debt ceiling without having some dramatic reform to our budget process,” Paul told Politico on Tuesday. “A $20 trillion debt is really our no. 1 security risk so to just keep raising the debt I think is a huge mistake.”

    The senator added that “if you are simply adding to the debt to give people money I think it’s not really appropriate,” explaining that the costs should be offset from elsewhere.

    Second, the Kentucky senator will be fighting for the debt ceiling and the Harvey bill to be split so that senate will have to vote on and debate the issues separately.

    With FEMA saying that they will be out of funds by Friday, pressure is on for a funding bill to be passed quickly. By attaching the two issues, senators will be forced to either pass funding with the changes to the debt ceiling or be responsible for not providing aid money to the devastated areas in time.

    Obviously, the disaster relief funding on its own has overwhelming bipartisan support and would easily pass, but Paul Ryan and McConnell appear to be determined to complicate things by adding the politically charged debt ceiling legislation to an otherwise easy vote.

    Multiple members of the Freedom Caucus have also made it clear that they will be forced into not backing the package if it doesn’t include meaningful fiscal reforms.

    https://bigleaguepolitics.com/rand-p...irst-amendment



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    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

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    I wish him the best of luck but he's outnumbered. There is nothing more these cock suckers like to do than spend future generations money now.
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    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

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    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    I wish him the best of luck but he's outnumbered. There is nothing more these cock suckers like to do than spend future generations money now.
    It would have been feasible for Senate conservatives to force this, or something similar.

    ...but for the fact that Trump just made a deal with Senate Dems.
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

    -H. L. Mencken

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    Well Rand , we appreciate the effort.

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    That is a great idea... won't be happening.
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    Default Amendment Tabled... 87-10 vote

    We all knew how this was going to go.

    Great speech, though...


    Senate Tables Amendment Calling For Harvey Aid To Be Taken From Foreign Aid Fund
    JULIE GRACE BRUFKE - Capitol Hill Reporter
    1:10 PM 09/07/2017

    The Senate voted to table an amendment aimed at paying for Hurricane Harvey relief using cuts to foreign aid in an 87-10 vote Thursday.

    The “America First” amendment — introduced by GOP Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky — would have offset the House-passed $7.85 billion aid package while providing an additional $2.5 billion to be used for Harvey recovery efforts or preparation for Hurricane Irma.

    Paul’s office noted that the United States Agency for International Development’s (USAID) latest information shows that roughly $20 billion in unobligated foreign aid is currently available, which the senator believes would be better spent on domestic emergencies.

    “There have been people who argued that our $20 trillion debt is the number one threat to our national security. So what I am asking is: Why don’t we pay for this?” Paul said on the floor ahead of the vote. “Why don’t we simply take some money that we were going to spend someone else for something not as valuable in another country and why don’t we spend it here?”

    The Senate is slated to take up the lower chamber’s Harvey relief legislation, where it will attach a continuing resolution to keep the government funded and language on a raising the debt ceiling to the bill before sending it back to the House.

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/07/se...g-foreign-aid/

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    I wonder if Rand would be cool with taking the money out of the money set aside to arm the Kurds in Syria and Iraq?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    That is a great idea... won't be happening.
    No, it's not.
    It's straight-up welfare state politics.
    Making it responsible spending doesn't make it magically stop being welfarism.

    It's classic Rand Paul politics in a nutshell. Get everyone to cheer for what is essentially the polar opposite of what they claim to believe.
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    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    No, it's not.
    It's straight-up welfare state politics.
    Making it responsible spending doesn't make it magically stop being welfarism.

    It's classic Rand Paul politics in a nutshell. Get everyone to cheer for what is essentially the polar opposite of what they claim to believe.
    I don't think a libertarian has to believe in welfare spending to cheer for minimizing the damage.
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