Hollywood Calls a Wrap on $3.8 Billion Summer, Worst Since 2006

[Raginfridus]

Do you mean buy a physical product versus online or renting?

I meant versus torrent or free media hosts. If you can find good movies at goodwill, I guess buying's no big deal, but there are lots of so-called classics out of publication, or owned by the extortionists at Criterion. Then some never make it to America, for whatever reason. I haven't had any luck in the past at goodwill.

[donnay]

I'll just add this quote right here:

"The American motion picture is the greatest unconscious carrier of propaganda in the world today."
~ Edward Bernays

[euphemia]

It's not unconscious. It's very conscious and deliberate.

[tod evans]

Easy fix. Stop making $#@!ty movies, reboots, sequels, and instead offer us up some new fresh and innovative ideas that actually entertain us!

Now you've gone and offended someone too..

[uncharted]

Thread needs more David Fincher fans.

That said, I reckon that the primary reason why feature films in Hollywood are on a decline (domestically) is due to inflation. The rising costs of movie tickets (plus the foods, drinks, popcorn, and other snacks) are driving customers to cheaper alternatives such as Netflix, Redbox, and Amazon Prime. In addition, said examples of alternatives continue to refine (exclusivity such as Netflix-only movies like Will Smith's/David Ayer's Bright coming out - http://variety.com/2017/film/news/da...ht-1202501947/)

This is actually driving the corporation Disney into pulling their movies from Netflix in order to provide their own streaming services in the future - https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/08/disn...-services.html

*HBO has done likewise.

Moreover, I don't think that the quality of movies is actually an issue (at least a major one for casual viewers). Superhero movies are WAY better than they used to be IMO (Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy, Russo Brothers MCU movies, and we now have crossovers which have been a dream come true for many superhero comic book fans) and although I'm not a fan of them it seems that top tier (in the eyes of many viewers) animated films are released every year (ex: Frozen, Zooptopia, Finding Dory, Minions, Inside Out, etc.). The horror movie "Get out" was widely praised when it released this year. Moreover, the horror movie "It" is supposed to be great. I'm personally not really into the horror genre myself but I am interested in reading Stephen King's novel that the movie is based on. I'll probably see the movie too.

As for war movies: Did anybody see Dunkirk? Apparently, it's an incredible movie.

Furthermore, many people have enjoyed the new Star Wars movies (The Force Awakens, Rouge One) and the upcoming one will probably also be an enjoyable Science Fiction blockbuster too.

I know that I only brought up a few genres and movies but I kept it to some popular ones because I suspect that most viewers aren't movie buffs (watching indies and other lesser popular genres) and don't watch nearly as many movies as a movie buff does annually in general regardless if Hollywood is doing well or not.

Of course, there was plenty of forgettable crap that was released this year but there is forgettable crap that is released every year and this has probably been the case since Hollywood started. This is nothing magical, just the long tail phenomenon of the bell-curve being applied to the movie industry. It's not rare to hear complaints that Hollywood isn't being original, but was the industry ever really original? - It seems like adaptations, based on a true story, franchises (ex: 007, Star Wars, Batman), sequels, reboots, and other derivative works are what (most/non-movie buffs) moviegoers like to see. Whether we're talking 1962 or 2017.

[Ender]

Thread needs more David Fincher fans.

That said, I reckon that the primary reason why feature films in Hollywood are on a decline (domestically) is due to inflation. The rising costs of movie tickets (plus the foods, drinks, popcorn, and other snacks) are driving customers to cheaper alternatives such as Netflix, Redbox, and Amazon Prime. In addition, said examples of alternatives continue to refine (exclusivity such as Netflix-only movies like Will Smith's/David Ayer's Bright coming out - http://variety.com/2017/film/news/da...ht-1202501947/)

This is actually driving the corporation Disney into pulling their movies from Netflix in order to provide their own streaming services in the future - https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/08/disn...-services.html

*HBO has done likewise.

Moreover, I don't think that the quality of movies is actually an issue (at least a major one for casual viewers). Superhero movies are WAY better than they used to be IMO (Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy, Russo Brothers MCU movies, and we now have crossovers which have been a dream come true for many superhero comic book fans) and although I'm not a fan of them it seems that top tier (in the eyes of many viewers) animated films are released every year (ex: Frozen, Zooptopia, Finding Dory, Minions, Inside Out, etc.). The horror movie "Get out" was widely praised when it released this year. Moreover, the horror movie "It" is supposed to be great. I'm personally not really into the horror genre myself but I am interested in reading Stephen King's novel that the movie is based on. I'll probably see the movie too.

As for war movies: Did anybody see Dunkirk? Apparently, it's an incredible movie.

Furthermore, many people have enjoyed the new Star Wars movies (The Force Awakens, Rouge One) and the upcoming one will probably also be an enjoyable Science Fiction blockbuster too.

I know that I only brought up a few genres and movies but I kept it to some popular ones because I suspect that most viewers aren't movie buffs (watching indies and other lesser popular genres) and don't watch nearly as many movies as a movie buff does annually in general regardless if Hollywood is doing well or not.

Of course, there was plenty of forgettable crap that was released this year but there is forgettable crap that is released every year and this has probably been the case since Hollywood started. This is nothing magical, just the long tail phenomenon of the bell-curve being applied to the movie industry. It's not rare to hear complaints that Hollywood isn't being original, but was the industry ever really original? - It seems like adaptations, based on a true story, franchises (ex: 007, Star Wars, Batman), sequels, reboots, and other derivative works have always been what (most/non-movie buffs) moviegoers like to see. Whether we're talking 1962 or 2017.

My family are all movie buffs and there are still good movies being made- because the industry is so large, there also more mediocre crap as well. but a great film is always a joy for us.

Also, Netflix etc is cool but watching a film on a TV will never compare to a film on the big screen. The sound, color, etc is completely different and can be a mind-blower once you actually compare the experience. Again, for the Matrix, the color is extremely important in the film, but is not very apparent on a small screen. The Matrix sound is incredible and cannot be duplicated online.

[Ender]

O' Brother and Big Lebowski.



Why We Fight, stunning, even though it is technically, propaganda.

And Scott?

Enemy of the State.

That is all.

Agree 1000%!

[Wooden Indian]

We're an off grid family, work full time, plus homesteading. So TV and movies isn't something we have time for.

That said, we do have Netflix and enjoy some series on it.

For the most part though, the movies are trash. Sherlock, Lost, House MD, all shows we'll watch from time to time.

And if there's a movie we hear about that we really want to see, we'll go early on a Sunday and do just that.

But it's all... well, not a habit... if that makes sense. It's in moderation because there's quite simply better things to do usually.

Build, repair, have sex, read... TV is option 10 LOL.

[nikcers]

Build, repair, have sex, read... TV is option 10 LOL.

Do you read for entertainment though? I think the big difference is people have to work more to make the same standard of living so they have less leisure time. Lots of people do still try to watch stuff on their down time but usually by skipping commercials, the line, ect. The world has gone and nationalized itself so we have to keep up by trying to produce more and more efficiently. This is not counting people who are not contributing of course but they never contributed much to Hollywood before.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I meant versus torrent or free media hosts. If you can find good movies at goodwill, I guess buying's no big deal, but there are lots of so-called classics out of publication, or owned by the extortionists at Criterion. Then some never make it to America, for whatever reason. I haven't had any luck in the past at goodwill.

A friend of ours showed us how to get many free movies, but it was really choppy. Not sure if it was just that day or what. He's the guy who really fixed my wife's computer and installed Linux and other programs, so he's fairly good with computers. I never really pursued it after that.

[devil21]

Exactly what I mean when I talk about paranoids who see everything as a conspiracy. Greater diversity in production, better storytelling, more view points, a greater diversity in business, and a greater ability to tailor what you watch exactly to your desires is somehow a psyop? Please. Wouldn't it work the other way around? Wouldn't they want to funnel you into theaters where they could control the single message everyone gets?

Someone tell me this is really a Poe post.

I could address your points one by one but I have better things to do with my time.

You're not familiar with Agenda 21 and social engineering, eh? It's ok. Carry on, Pierz.

[jllundqu]

I travel a lot for work, so I like to catch a movie at the theater's when I get the chance. I LOVE the movie theater experience. Cherry coke and a box of Junior Mints every time. This past year has been so lame in terms of movies, it saddens me. There were some diamonds in the rough.

Hacksaw Ridge (technically last year) was amazing.. should have won the oscar imo.
The movies mentioned above like Dunkirk, Star Wars, etc., were fun... but it has been a looooong damn time since a film has been made that really appealed to me. Interstellar was the last film that blew me away.

It's gotten so bad that my only choice for a movie at the theater that I would actually PAY to watch this past weekend? Close Encounters of the Third Kind - 40th Anniversary Edition. I had to watch a movie from 40 $#@!ING YEARS AGO to be willing to pay money to see it.

[lilymc]

You're not familiar with Agenda 21 and social engineering, eh? It's ok. Carry on, Pierz.

Not only that, but I think many people are unaware that there is a spiritual component, too.

[Swordsmyth]

New Star Trek show to tackle the Trump-era divide and 'racial purity is a big theme'

• Star Trek: Discovery to tackle real-world issues starting with US political divide
• The controversial drama will show a war between the United Federation of Planets and the Klingon Empire
• The Klingons ideological ideas are inspired by the 2016 electoral divide
• Isolationism and racial purity are big themes throughout the series

More at: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4sBNQjADT

[juleswin]

This is the most confusing thread I have read in a long time, it seems like half the people just do not know what the internet has done to other businesses like the bookstore business, brick and mortar porn stores, movies rental businesses, the music/TV business, international phone cards, travel agencies, newspapers and the list goes on and on and on.

Non of this is because of SJW or movie industry making sequel and reboots (which btw are some of the most successful movies made by Hollywood). This is the natural order of things in this world when a newer, more superior technology comes into the market. I can access just about any movie released in the movie theatre less than 2 weeks after it is out and most of the time in very high quality. I can then watch it in front of my 4k ultra 70 inch TV with surround sound for free. And most dates now rarely go to the movies. Its dinner, walk and if you are luck, you "surf and turf" while pretending to "netflix and chill". The allure of going to the movies is dying among the youth, we older people may still reminisce of the good old days but our numbers are dwindling and new generation are creating their new habits which regular visits to the movie is not part of.

If nothing is done soon about pirating, the slow decline would continue until the business model is no longer viable.

Lastly, Obama is no more likely to bail out Hollywood than Trump. trump was a supporter of the last bailout just like Obama and if need be, he would also be in support of a new one. This idea that there is a gulf of difference between Obama and Trump needs to end ASAP. It is delusional thinking that is not helping anyone.

My thread of fantastic movies to watch on netflix is here. People talk about the Coen brother and no mention of "No Country for old men" shame on you people

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...lix-Movie-gems

To some of you older members that were around when radio was still king, did people also accuse SJW for allowing TV to dethrone radio?

[bunklocoempire]

This is the most confusing thread I have read in a long time, it seems like half the people just do not know what the internet has done to other businesses like the bookstore business, brick and mortar porn stores, movies rental businesses, the music/TV business, international phone cards, travel agencies, newspapers and the list goes on and on and on.

Non of this is because of SJW or movie industry making sequel and reboots (which btw are some of the most successful movies made by Hollywood). This is the natural order of things in this world when a newer, more superior technology comes into the market. I can access just about any movie released in the movie theatre less than 2 weeks after it is out and most of the time in very high quality. I can then watch it in front of my 4k ultra 70 inch TV with surround sound for free. And most dates now rarely go to the movies. Its dinner, walk and if you are luck, you "surf and turf" while pretending to "netflix and chill". The allure of going to the movies is dying among the youth, we older people may still reminisce of the good old days but our numbers are dwindling and new generation are creating their new habits which regular visits to the movie is not part of.

If nothing is done soon about pirating, the slow decline would continue until the business model is no longer viable.

Lastly, Obama is no more likely to bail out Hollywood than Trump. trump was a supporter of the last bailout just like Obama and if need be, he would also be in support of a new one. This idea that there is a gulf of difference between Obama and Trump needs to end ASAP. It is delusional thinking that is not helping anyone.

My thread of fantastic movies to watch on netflix is here. People talk about the Coen brother and no mention of "No Country for old men" shame on you people

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...lix-Movie-gems

To some of you older members that were around when radio was still king, did people also accuse SJW for allowing TV to dethrone radio?

IMO, government spanked brick and mortars, and the internet is a market solution.

Now copyrights to the rescue? I don't think so, but I imagine that that will be the "solution" pushed.

Centralized movie distribution has had a lot to do with their own demise, IMO.
Movies are worse, and the price goes up or stays the same.

[KrokHead]

Hollywood is going the way of the music industry. People are downloading the $#@! for free, even mental retards have firesticks.

Stealing movies, like music had been around as long as its media has been around but now it's easier to steal it than to pay for it. This means movies have finally been devalued.

The following also doesn't help:
1. Movies $#@!ing suck, the only one I wanted to see this year was Dunkirk.
2. Too many $#@!ing marvel and dc movies. $#@! Spiderman, he has been rebooted twice in like 4 years maybe nobody cares. Maybe people are tired of watching the same movie 3 times a year.
3. Do we really need 9 fast and furious Movies?
4. We live in an era of 2000 channels on tv, youtube, and alternative media. I can skip on prolefeed just fine.

[Anti Federalist]

Hollywood is going the way of the music industry. People are downloading the $#@! for free, even mental retards have firesticks.

Stealing movies, like music had been around as long as its media has been around but now it's easier to steal it than to pay for it. This means movies have finally been devalued.

The following also doesn't help:
1. Movies $#@!ing suck, the only one I wanted to see this year was Dunkirk.
2. Too many $#@!ing marvel and dc movies. $#@! Spiderman, he has been rebooted twice in like 4 years maybe nobody cares. Maybe people are tired of watching the same movie 3 times a year.
3. Do we really need 9 fast and furious Movies?
4. We live in an era of 2000 channels on tv, youtube, and alternative media. I can skip on prolefeed just fine.

All of that.

[Anti Federalist]

To some of you older members that were around when radio was still king, did people also accuse SJW for allowing TV to dethrone radio?

I am the one and only person who does not wish to put money in the pocket of people who hate me.

Yup.

Just me.

[angelatc]

I am the one and only person who does not wish to put money in the pocket of people who hate me.

Yup.

Just me.

I was boycotting their niose when you still thought we could compromise with them

[juleswin]

I am the one and only person who does not wish to put money in the pocket of people who hate me.

Yup.

Just me.

Rolling your eyes would be appropriate here if that is what I actually said. There is a group of people that have been boycotting most of what Hollywood makes for years but that hasn't stopped then from raking in billions in profits. The vast majority of the people understand that what one or two movies critics says about people like you is not representative of what the industry as a whole think of people like you.

You are a small to insignificant reason for the low box office performance. Movie piracy is the top reason for it and not because SJW or crappy movies or movie sequels and reboots. All those types of movies have made up the vast majority of movies made. The movie gems are actually the exceptions to the rule ever since I can remember.

[juleswin]

Hollywood is going the way of the music industry. People are downloading the $#@! for free, even mental retards have firesticks.

Stealing movies, like music had been around as long as its media has been around but now it's easier to steal it than to pay for it. This means movies have finally been devalued.

The following also doesn't help:
1. Movies $#@!ing suck, the only one I wanted to see this year was Dunkirk.
2. Too many $#@!ing marvel and dc movies. $#@! Spiderman, he has been rebooted twice in like 4 years maybe nobody cares. Maybe people are tired of watching the same movie 3 times a year.
3. Do we really need 9 fast and furious Movies?
4. We live in an era of 2000 channels on tv, youtube, and alternative media. I can skip on prolefeed just fine.

1. Movies don't suck anymore than they were sucking in the 90s. If anything, Id say they have gotten better over the years. Btw, there are more movies playing than the ones heavily marketed to kids and teenagers. To hell and high water was one that was absolutely amazing and almost nobody say it because they were too busy complaining about sequels and reboots and missed an original screenplay. Personally, wouldn't see a Dunkirk if you paid me money. Do not fancy WWII movies especially those that portray the allies as the good guys(essentially all of em ). Btw, how many different movies about some battle in WWII is going to be enough for the market, yes Dunkirk is not technically a reboot or remake but I swear, there are at least 50 different movies about battles in WWII over the years. I personally hope the market grow tired if em after this one.

2. People are not tired of it. Except for Pirate of the Caribbean, the vast majority of sequels made 100s of millions above their production cost. That is why they keep making it because the movie going audience is eating it up.

3. You may say no, but he market says yes. Furious 7 made $360 m nationwide and $1.5 billion worldwide on a production cost of $190m. And for this reason, there would be a part 8 coming out soon and most likely would continue to happen until the market says no. Didn't they make like 10 parts of Police Academy in the 90s?

4. This is true, can't argue with it but also don't forget video games. They have for many years been a strong competition to the movie industry. It gets better and better every year, it is a time sink and for the most part have been able to ward off serious pirating of its product.

In 2014, the global revenue for games was estimated at $83.6 billion (Polygon). Meanwhile, according to the MPAA, in 2014, the movie industry worldwide grossed $36.4 billion (MPAA). ... In fact, the bulk of the movie industry's revenues might not even come from the box office.

[juleswin]

Hell or High water review. Don't pirate it, instead try and pay money for it. I have am sure the part Hollywood that made this movie doesn't hate u

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

$#@! Hollywood

$#@! the MSM

$#@! TPTB

[GunnyFreedom]

If nothing is done soon about pirating, the slow decline would continue until the business model is no longer viable.

One thing to keep in mind, is that the music and the movie industries have largely brought piracy upon themselves, by not only refusing to embrace online content delivery, but actively opposing it as a possibility until after people had come to rely on online content delivery. Had the music and movie industries embraced online content delivery up front, they would have increased their profits by billions of dollars.

I am not excusing or justifying theft, but neither do I have any sympathy for the industry right now. "They did it to themselves" actually applies here. If Hollywood and the music industry have to go completely bankrupt before someone else fills the void and starts caring about content delivery, fine. Good movies and good music will not go extinct from the human race. The leaders of the industry may have to completely fail to make way for the better models though.

These are the same people who refused to support content delivery of any kind, ever in the late 80's. Forget those ignorant technophobes. Hurry up and die off and let people who understand the modern era take over the music and movie industries and they will no longer be in danger of dying off due to piracy...... because they will actually offer the services that the consumers actually want.

[Raginfridus]

If nothing is done soon about pirating, the slow decline would continue until the business model is no longer viable.

o no?

[kpitcher]

I tried to like King. He does great character development yet seems to fail on wrapping up his stories. I'd pick up one of his books from time to time but Under the Dome was the last straw for me. Last chapter the reason the Dome existed was given, yet somehow the entity that did this followed county lines? Um that's the best he could come up with?

[Swordsmyth]

Superman defends illegals against angry American

The Man of Steel has now become a propaganda tool for the defenders of illegal aliens.
In the most recent issue of Action Comics, Superman comes to the rescue of a group of illegal aliens -- under attack from a white guy wearing an American flag bandana and waving around a machine gun.


Remember when Superman stood for truth, justice and the American way? Then again, Clark Kent is technically an illegal alien – a native of Krypton.
I reckon it's only a matter of time before DC Comics unleashes other superheroes in its corporate quest to defend the alien invaders.
So don't be surprised to see the Flash rushing Mexicans across the border or Wonder Woman using her lasso to round up Texas ranchers trying to defend their property.

More at: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/...-american.html

[juleswin]

So this past monday, I was taking care of this patient. So I would notice that he was on his ipad watching movies every time I came into the room. Anyway, I decided to ask him what he was watching and I kid you not, he was watching the Dark Tower on his ipad.

The site he was on had just about every movie that is on the theatre for free. IT the clown movie was even there but he said it was only available in spanish 4 days after it was released. I mean with this sort of technology and easy of pirating available, what is the motivation for the average man to pay for a movie ticket?