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  1. #871
    $8280
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book



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  3. #872
    $7661.

    Anyone care to speculate on the continued downward trajectory? mt.gox continued dumping? I remember reading somewhere that sale of their coins by the trustee would not effect the markets?



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  5. #873
    Bitcoin Price Faces Bear Indicator Not Seen Since 2014
    https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-clo...en-since-2014/
    This time around, the bearish crossover will likely occur at the turn of the month, if bitcoin extends the current decline towards the $7,000 mark, and would open the doors for a deeper sell-off towards the $5,000 mark.

  6. #874
    MIT Tests Smart Contract-Powered Bitcoin Lightning Network
    https://www.coindesk.com/mit-testing...tning-network/

    An MIT test is providing a rare glimpse of how bitcoin might truly work at scale.Revealed to CoinDesk last week, the prestigious U.S. university has been quietly demoing an experimental use case for bitcoin's lightning network, one that showcases how it might be combined with smart contracts to not only handle millions of transactions, but do so with a greater degree of complexity.

    Modeled within the school's Digital Currency Initiative, started in 2015 as a way to further R&D on cryptocurrencies, the test envisions a system wherein transactions would take place automatically in the case of defined external events, based on say today's weather or the current price of U.S. dollars.

    This is possible due to MIT's creative use of so-called "oracles," trusted entities meant to broadcast data to smart contracts. For this demo, researchers Tadge Dryja and Alin S. Dragos built a test oracle to broadcast the recent price of U.S. dollars in satoshis, the smallest unit of bitcoins, which anyone can grab and use for their smart contracts.

    It's a notable step forward for the idea, one first proposed by lightning inventor Dryja last summer. However, this is the first time it's been implemented as a prototype with working code.

    Dragos told CoinDesk:

    "We built this as a standalone feature of our lightning network software. We chose data what we thought would be cool, U.S. dollars, but it could be any data you want, whether weather or a stock."


    Dragos stressed that the demo is "experimental" and "shouldn't be used for real money." That said, he and other MIT researchers are convinced that with the help of the lightning network, bitcoin might one day scale to capacities originally envisioned by its early users.
    As part of that work, MIT researchers have already created an implementation for the lightning network called lit, and this oracle code is an add-on of that work.

    "We at DCI, we really believe in the lightning network," Dragos said. "Bitcoin doesn't scale very well. I decided there has to be something better. Turns out what's better is lightning. It's the way to scale."

    Bitcoin smart contracts

    But while lightning provides scale, smart contracts add other new functionality to bitcoin. For example, should the tech in MIT's test be implemented, you could make some sort of a bet based on what's happening in the world.

    Or, in this case, a futures contract. Alice promises to pay Bob whatever the price of dollars is in satoshis on a certain day, say Friday. If a dollar is worth 12,150 satoshis by the end of the week, then she will end up paying that.

    It's a kind of advanced smart contract use case that is usually not associated with bitcoin.

    "When folks think smart contracts, they think ethereum. Their scripting language is much richer," Dragos admitted.

    But, he argues that with some workarounds, bitcoin can do the same thing.

    "It's not as developer friendly because bitcoin didn't go in that direction, but you can use it. You have to be a little creative," Dragos said.
    In short, it uses Dryja's "discreet log contracts" scheme to broadcast data to the smart contracts. One of the most important advantages of this scheme is scalability, because most of the data doesn't need to be stored on the bitcoin blockchain.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  7. #875
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...t-manipulation

    According to Bloomberg, the DOJ has opened a criminal investigation into whether large bitcoin traders - so-called "whales" - are manipulating the price of bitcoin. Market manipulation has been an increasingly popular topic in crypto world - particularly since prices started their historic surge.
    Bullish!
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  8. #876
    Going to hit $5,000 again- in the other direction? Dropped below $6,000 today. Lowest since October. Year to date is is off more than 50% ($13,500 as the year started). It was almost $20,000 in December (peaked Dec 6 at 19,350). Lost two thirds of its value since then (however, it is still double what it was a year ago so the bubble may have a ways more to deflate).
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 06-24-2018 at 04:11 AM.

  9. #877
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Going to hit $5,000 again- in the other direction? Dropped below $6,000 today. Lowest since October. Year to date is is off more than 50% ($13,500 as the year started). It was almost $20,000 in December (peaked Dec 6 at 19,350). Lost two thirds of its value since then.

    I'l bet Kludge who was mining by 2011 is still doing well.
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  10. #878
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    I'l bet Kludge who was mining by 2011 is still doing well.
    It was only about $5 back then.

  11. #879
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It was only about $5 back then.

    Yep. Maybe why he let the forums. Probably in the islands with hookers and blow.

    I bought some from him when it had already reached ~$600
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  12. #880
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Yep. Maybe why he let the forums. Probably in the islands with hookers and blow.

    I bought some from him when it had already reached ~$600
    That's not to bad either! It is just to volatile for me (plus I see it more as a gimmick than a real investment)



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  14. #881
    The $5760 low today was the lowest since before the Dec run-up.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  15. #882
    Quote Originally Posted by pearsile View Post
    Do you think it is a good idea to invest in Bitcoin or maybe look for some opportunities with some altcoins?
    I recommend you have some of both, whether it's 95% alt coin and 5% bitcoin or 95% bitcoin and 5% alt coin, or somewhere in the middle, some diversity is usually a good idea. Depends on whether you think bitcoin will continue to be the dominate coin and if it will have significant gains like it has in the past. Lightning network is still in testing phase, some say it is going well, others are saying there are issues - but that study that came out the other day saying there are issues actually hit the upper bounds of some artificial limits that have been put in place on the test network and those in the know say it is working just fine. Alt coins will probably do very well in the future as well, but it can be harder to predict which ones might do the best and which ones will be duds.
    Last edited by dannno; 07-03-2018 at 09:52 AM.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  16. #883
    Quote Originally Posted by pearsile View Post
    Do you think it is a good idea to invest in Bitcoin or maybe look for some opportunities with some altcoins?
    Like anything speculative, don't put in any more money than you can afford to lose. You should first have about a year's worth of expenses money put away first to cover things should you find yourself unemployed for whatever reason so you can pay your bills while looking for a new job.

  17. #884
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...s-4-week-highs

    The exchange also says it has rolled back all the irregular trades, and offers anyone who was negatively affected by trading during the rising SYS prices a zero-free [sic- fee] trading regime from July 5 through July 14.

    All other Binance users will be given a 70-percent rebate on trading fees throughout the same period, paid out in the platform’s native token, Binance Coin (BNB).
    The way you can tell that all of these crypto exchanges are run by the usual banker suspects is that their "mistakes" take your earned money and then to "fix" the mistake they give you "credits" back. Credits that the exchanges (or brokerages, if drawing comparison to stock markets) create at will. You lose your earned money. They give you created crap.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  18. #885
    Bitcoin Analysis - Getting bumped higher, but stepping pattern could gas out. $6707


  19. #886
    Bitcoin price declined sharply and broke the $8,060 support level against the US Dollar.

  20. #887
    LOL

    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  21. #888
    https://www.ccn.com/irans-bitcoin-vo...-death-spiral/


    Iran’s Bitcoin Volume Soars as Rial Value Enters ‘Death Spiral’

    Iran’s national currency has crashed to its record low against the U.S. Dollar as the country prepares to face economic sanctions imposed by the Trump administration.


    The Iranian Rial, which was just beginning to gain momentum after years of depreciation, set a new low on Monday, trading on an average at 100,000 Rials on the black market. Many Iranians are now agitated that their economy will collapse. The sentiment has furthered because of Iranian authorities’ decision to impose restrictions on foreign currency transactions. The authorities have also started a crackdown on those attempting to circumvent restrictions by purchasing gold coins in the black market.


    Stuck between a depreciating national currency and strict law enforcement agencies, some Iranians are reportedly turning to bitcoin and similar decentralized assets to elude sanctions. Since May 2018, when the U.S. announced its sanctions against Tehran, bitcoin trading volume within the country has experienced a marked uptick, though it is still far below the all-time high it set last December. Around the same time, local media had claimed that Iranians had sent over $2.5 billion out of their land to purchase bitcoin and other digital currencies.

    One Iranian, who wished to remain anonymous, confirmed that she has been purchasing some bitcoins every month out of her salary as a protective measure against U.S. sanctions.


    “I started purchasing Bitcoin, and even Ethereum, thinking Iranian central bank will not be able to resolve the poor economic situation,” she told CCN. “I had read many reports about Chinese and Venezuelan people doing the same at the time of their economic crisis.”


    She has also confirmed that Rial price dropped heavily against bitcoin in the underground market, stating she was asked the equivalent of as much as $20,000 to purchase 1 BTC by the same dealer who was selling it for $10,000 only the last month.


    In international markets, the bitcoin price against USD is around $8,130 at press time.


    National Cryptocurrency a Solution?

    Iran, despite banning bitcoin and similar digital currencies in April this year, had announced that it will launch its own national cryptocurrency. Just very recently, the Iranian government confirmed that they have created a national encryption key which would employ blockchain technology.


    Nevertheless, U.S. believes that efforts to bypass their sanctions will be in vain, for they apply to people and organizations, not assets. The Trump administration has made clear that those who would form business ties with Iran would be enmeshed by sanctions.


    A similar attempt made by Venezuela by launching an oil- and mineral reserves-backed cryptocurrency, the Petro, has not gone too well. It has dropped from its initial sale price of $60 to the current price of $16.50, with minimal demand from global markets.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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  23. #889
    Bitcoin back in the 5 ks. How low would it go?

  24. #890
    BTC 6150 USD

    Altcoins are DYING

  25. #891
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    LOL

    How did your head not explode? It's all "but but but Hillary!" in Trump threads but promoting Bill in a Bitcoin thread? Bill Clinton is a fan of your beloved cryptocurrencies?

    The cognitive dissonance is strong.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  26. #892
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    How did your head not explode? It's all "but but but Hillary!" in Trump threads but promoting Bill in a Bitcoin thread? Bill Clinton is a fan of your beloved cryptocurrencies?

    The cognitive dissonance is strong.
    Your ignorance is strong.

    Ripple is not a decentralized crypto currency like bitcoin or almost all alt coins..

    It is "owned" and controlled and promoted by a central company/controller. Some people call it the "banker coin", I thought you already knew about it since you promote the idea that a decentralized crypto is a banker coin..

    The idea is to defeat fiats like what they want ripple to become and what the dollar is now with decentralized crypto. That's why you should be on team bitcoin as opposed to team ripple. To see Bill Clinton promoting the banker coin is almost over the top and pretty hilarious.
    Last edited by dannno; 08-16-2018 at 09:20 AM.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  27. #893
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Your ignorance is strong.

    Ripple is not a decentralized crypto currency like bitcoin or almost all alt coins..

    It is "owned" and controlled and promoted by a central company/controller. Some people call it the "banker coin", I thought you already knew about it since you promote the idea that a decentralized crypto is a banker coin..

    The idea is to defeat fiats like what they want ripple to become and what the dollar is now with decentralized crypto. That's why you should be on team bitcoin as opposed to team ripple. To see Bill Clinton promoting the banker coin is almost over the top and pretty hilarious.
    Yes, I'm aware of what Ripple is and how it differs from Bitcoin, et al. I asked why you'd promote Bill, not the particulars of the coin. I don't tend to post things that promote people and products I disagree with. ymmv

    And yes, they're both banker coins, meant to condition you to the blockchain future that they've been planning for years. If you read nerdy things like years old globalist summit whitepapers you'd already know that.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  28. #894
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Yes, I'm aware of what Ripple is and how it differs from Bitcoin, et al. I asked why you'd promote Bill, not the particulars of the coin. I don't tend to post things that promote people and products I disagree with. ymmv
    Oh ok, I wasn't promoting Bill, I said "LOL" then posted it because it is hilariously transparent that they have Bill Clinton promoting Ripple.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  29. #895
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    And yes, they're both banker coins, meant to condition you to the blockchain future that they've been planning for years. If you read nerdy things like years old globalist summit whitepapers you'd already know that.
    Bitcoin will be the banker's coin, exactly like this economic professor explains in this video in Austria. (Economics)


  30. #896
    Quote Originally Posted by Mordan View Post
    Bitcoin will be the banker's coin, exactly like this economic professor explains in this video in Austria. (Economics)

    But but muh decentralization and anonymousness! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

    (I still don't think it's bitcoin though. It'll be some not-yet-unveiled IMF/CB approved crypto with all their tracking bells and whistles built in.)
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book



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  32. #897
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    But but muh decentralization and anonymousness! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

    (I still don't think it's bitcoin though. It'll be some not-yet-unveiled IMF/CB approved crypto with all their tracking bells and whistles built in.)
    and just like democracy 51% takeover.

  33. #898
    What happened today? After being amazingly stable for something like 6 months, bitcoin got hammered. Down about 15% to 5,500.

  34. #899
    The thread headline is accurate again as Bitcoin once again reaches the $5,000 mark- this time on the way down. Some blame it on the "fork" while some blame it on people losing interest in bitcoins. Some blame it on too many different coins confusing everyone not hardcore into it.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-46263998

    Bitcoin falls below $5,000

    The value of Bitcoin has fallen below $5,000 (£3,889) for the first time since October 2017.

    The fall brought the total value of all Bitcoin in existence to below $87bn.

    On Thursday, 15 November, Bitcoin Cash - an offshoot of Bitcoin - split into two different crypto-currencies, which are now in competition with each other.

    And some observers have blamed this for creating turmoil in the crypto-currency markets, with many of the digital assets experiencing falls.

    Bitcoin exchange Kraken said in a blog post that it regarded one of the two new Bitcoin Cash crypto-currencies - Bitcoin SV - as "an extremely risky investment".

    Bitcoin is a notoriously volatile crypto-currency.

    At its peak, in November 2017, it briefly hit $19,783 - which means the price has fallen by about 75%.

    After the excitements of last year when the price soared to nearly $20,000 and then tumbled, Bitcoin has been rather dull and stable for much of 2018, settling between $6,000 and $7,000.

    Sceptics like the economist Nouriel Roubini have predicted its demise, while the "hodlers" - those who promise to hold it come what may - remained confident it was heading "to the moon" where they would drive their "lambos". (That's- Lamborghinis for the uninitiated.)

    Now it is tumbling again and while it is never safe to ascribe any one cause to a market movement, bitter rifts in the community around a Bitcoin variant appear to be to blame.

    Bitcoin Cash split off from Bitcoin last year after a dispute about its direction and split again a few days ago in another so-called hard fork.

    Its value has dropped by almost 50% over the last week. It's confusing but think of the People's Front of Judea versus the Judean People's Front and you will get the picture.

    The result is gloom right across the cryptocurrency sector with its many altcoins. We were told that the fact that there was a strict limit of 21 million bitcoins which could be mined guaranteed that this would be a strong and stable currency.

    What nobody seemed to reckon with was that if you could start one cryptocurrency you could start dozens and chaos might then ensue.


  35. #900
    The $4500-5k range wasn't properly tested during the last bull cycle, as it was manipulated all the way up to $20k. Here we are in a final capitulation area before the coming trend reversal. It has nothing to do w/ a fork or confusion from other coins or tokens. Institutional money put the last bull market on steroids then deliberately and systematically controlled the demolition on the way down, killing the mom and pops who panic bought on the way up. The last halving took place in July of 2016 so go and look at the charts leading up to that and beyond. Next halving takes place in 2020 and you'll see a repeat of another bull trend leading up to it and beyond. This capitulation area is the new $180-220 range of 2015's bear market. In other words, this range is a great entry point for bitcoin and many of the other coins/tokens. We've been talking cryptos here since before the last bear market and you all had the chance to ride the last wave up. Your next shot is coming.

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