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"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
I would suggest creating a blockchain.info wallet, send the bitcoin to that address, then buy gold or silver at apmex or amagi.. but I wouldn't spend it all.
Edit: you probably have some tokens and wex.nz also, at some point those should be redeemable for 100% face value, you might wanna just hold onto those, could bey very valuable some day.
AFAIK btc-e didn't do anything illegal, they just had a customer who did, so I wouldn't worry too much about it but I'm not going to advise against getting your crypto off wex.nz
You also probably have some bitcoin cash that you didn't know about?
Last edited by dannno; 12-19-2017 at 02:29 PM.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
I got that wrong. I owned it when the price action said I was wrong when it traded sideways. I'll be wrong a lot more in the future too. Fortunately, being right isn't very important to making money.
Price probably pulls back to around the 10 week average. That's what growth stocks do after a parabolic run. We'll see if it holds for Bitcoin.
Last edited by Krugminator2; 12-19-2017 at 05:16 PM.
SEC suspended trading ?
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
to be honest I sold a small percentage after the failed 20k attempt. the more it rises the more a chance for a pullback. will buy more later.
however I am big hodler long term. Crypto is going to destroy banking like the printing press brought information to the people
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
Lol, wait a minute.. I thought after the first year I learned that the establishment was the enemy, even though I kinda knew that before.
The establishment comes out against Trump, and you back them up and attack Trump.
The establishment comes out against bitcoin, and you back them up and attack Bitcoin.
Notice a trend yet?? And I haven't learned anything??
Then you come up with this whacked out conspiracy theory, which admittedly could be true, but not very likely, imo, that they are purposely against Donald Trump to get people like me to support him, even though I didn't vote for him. And they are pitting the mainstream citizen against bitcoin, allegedly so that people like me, the minority, will support it. Why? I dunno. If they liked the blockchain why not just put it into the banking system that they already control??
If the lessons that I was supposed to learn on RPF is that the establishment is going to attack things that they like, to get me to like them, then why should I have supported Ron Paul to begin with
Last edited by dannno; 12-20-2017 at 05:56 PM.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
You don't know controlled opposition tactics when you see it? Here's a hint. Everything that gets big media coverage is what they really want, by presenting only options that are acceptable to predetermined outcomes! When sentiment turns anti-establishment, offer controlled "anti-establishment" options like Trump. As if there's such a thing as an anti-establishment Jesuit trained NYC billionaire...
The rest isn't worth bothering with since it's all extensions of that simple tactic.
Last edited by devil21; 12-20-2017 at 06:21 PM.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
Ya, I get it, I just don't agree that is their tactic here, it doesn't seem like their best option and they don't seem to be doing anything to benefit themselves.
Obama was exactly what you described. He was sorta the anti-GW Bush, Cinderella story, comin out of nowhere, beat Hillary the establishment candidate, media plastered him everywhere.. But what they didn't do was ruin all of their credibility overly attacking him constantly. That would have been counter-productive. It would have been counter-productive to go overboard attacking him if they actually wanted him to win... because if he won it makes them look bad, and if he doesn't win then what was the point?
Same thing with bitcoin, the media treats bitcoin more like they treat Ron Paul. They don't cover it unless they have to, after it's had like a 50x run or something. And when they do, it is completely crazy, it's a bubble, only criminals use it, blah blah blah..
It just seems like if their goal was to use blockchain technology why would they have the libertarians invest and profit off of it if they are their worst enemy? Why not have the banks do it, which they already control?
Last edited by dannno; 12-20-2017 at 06:39 PM.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Believe what you want. If you don't know that a cashless, fully trackable monetary substitute has been a major banker goal and bitcoin/crypto just happens to fit the bill and emerge into the mainstream right when the dollar system is being tossed aside then I don't know what else to say. They run the same playbook for social engineering changes over and over and people never pick up on it. This is the same playbook.
Heck, that bitcoin jesus guy Ver even plainly said on CNBC earlier today during Fast Money that he thought insider trading and corruption is fine, a "non-crime", and investors losing their money is their own fault. Sounds like a banker to me.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
Highly recommend a series of two articles posted at fee.org
https://fee.org/articles/what-bitcoi...ed-tulipmania/
https://fee.org/articles/bitcoin-is-...d-antifragile/
Truth forever on the scaffold, Wrong forever on the throne,--
Yet that scaffold sways the future, and, behind the dim unknown,
Standeth God within the shadow, keeping watch above his own.
For you maybe. I think it's theft to materially mislead people with untrue claims (rampant in the crypto space) then profit from the insider knowledge of what the lies are. It's on the investor when the information is available and is ignored but that's not the case with crypto. It should be a large red flag when someone called bitcoin jesus says that investors losing their money (to him, presumably) is their own fault and insider trading is fine.
Besides, I'm well past subscribing to any particular political platform, whether libertarian, republican, democrat or otherwise. Those are herding techniques used to limit one's thinking.
Purely coincidence I'm sure.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.6d0239a13a4f
Over the past few weeks, investors have been flocking to bitcoin, the digital currency whose value has soared by about 2,000 percent in the past year alone. And while many economists are cautioning against excitement about bitcoin — which is caught up in what may be one of the biggest speculative bubbles in history — it’s important to note just how revolutionary the technology may be.
Indeed, the technology underlying bitcoin could fundamentally change the way we think of money.
It is only a matter of time before paper money is phased out. Sweden, where about 2 percent of value of transactions are done in cash, may eliminate physical money within five years. Most central banks are working on technologies to power a future digital currency.
Last edited by devil21; 12-20-2017 at 09:33 PM.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
Dash, Monero, Zcash are all top 20 crypto coins with market caps in the billions, all with true private sending of coins. I think true privacy will be a growing concern for people.
Controllable.. perhaps. Although the design was made to avoid central control to be shut down. I haven't seen any country make an effort to shut crypto down to see if it can be achieved or not.
let us teach them that all who draw breath are of equal worth, and that those who seek to press heel upon the throat of liberty, will fall to the cry of FREEDOM!!! Spartacus, War of the Damned
BTC: 1AFbCLYU3G1dkbsSJnk3spWeEwpqYVC2Pq
I doubt anyone would say corruption is fine. Losing money IS an investor's own responsibility. Not everyone is a winner.It should be a large red flag when someone called bitcoin jesus says that investors losing their money (to him, presumably) is their own fault and insider trading is fine.
Insider trading is a non-crime (that is actually the exact phrase I use as well). Insider trading should be legal. I've never heard of the guy but he sounds like me.
Last edited by Krugminator2; 12-20-2017 at 10:53 PM.
Even if it's because they were lied to? Look, I understand fully that the vast majority of humans are idiots and they make it difficult to be altruistic at times but spreading misinformation (again, the crypto space has been awash in mis/disinfo) with the intent to profit from it is theft. Never mind order spoofing and other decidedly "bankeresque" tactics. Everyone on the inside KNOWS these markets are fraudulent ponzis but sell it as something else entirely.
eta: Insider trading is a very broad term. I'd agree with you in some instances but this is about the crypto markets specifically.
Great, I'll remember to never invest any money with you. Thanks for the heads up. Do you think ponzi schemes should be legal?Insider trading is a non-crime (that is actually the exact phrase I use as well). Insider trading should be legal. I've never heard of the guy but he sounds like me.
Last edited by devil21; 12-20-2017 at 11:39 PM.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
1. Order spoofing is illegal.
2. It makes me nostalgic. I've noticed no one whines about high frequency trading anymore. Zerohedge is awfully silent. You want to know why? The free market took care of it. HFT profits have been reduced to nothing through competition. Competition has forced good behavior and been amazing for the average investor.
Wait a minute, some libertarians want cannabis to be legal but don't want to use it themselves.
Are you saying that because he believes insider trading should be legal, means that he thinks it is moral and he himself would engage in it?
Are you saying that because a person says they believe insider trading should be illegal, that morally, they are against such behavior?
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
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