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  1. #901
    Oh look it's this thread being accurate again, just as predicted.

    The Tether "fake dollar valuation" scam is unwinding as everyone cashes out. I wonder if there are any "oops, sorry we don't have the cash to fulfill your redemption" bagholders yet...
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  3. #902
    Quote Originally Posted by FSP-Rebel View Post
    The $4500-5k range wasn't properly tested during the last bull cycle, as it was manipulated all the way up to $20k. Here we are in a final capitulation area before the coming trend reversal. It has nothing to do w/ a fork or confusion from other coins or tokens. Institutional money put the last bull market on steroids then deliberately and systematically controlled the demolition on the way down, killing the mom and pops who panic bought on the way up. The last halving took place in July of 2016 so go and look at the charts leading up to that and beyond. Next halving takes place in 2020 and you'll see a repeat of another bull trend leading up to it and beyond. This capitulation area is the new $180-220 range of 2015's bear market. In other words, this range is a great entry point for bitcoin and many of the other coins/tokens. We've been talking cryptos here since before the last bear market and you all had the chance to ride the last wave up. Your next shot is coming.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/20/regu...illegally.html

    As bitcoin nosedives, regulators said to be investigating whether it was propped up illegally

    The U.S. Justice Department is reportedly looking into whether traders used another cryptocurrency called tether to bid up bitcoin prices during its 1,300 percent rally last year.

    Federal prosecutors launched a broader criminal probe into cryptocurrencies earlier this year but now suspect that traders on crypto exchange Bitfinex may have been moving prices illegally, Bloomberg reported, citing three people familiar with the matter.

    The news comes amidst bitcoin’s 16 percent price drop on Tuesday.

    As bitcoin continued its downward slide Tuesday, U.S. regulators are reportedly looking into whether its record-breaking rally last year was the result of market manipulation.

    The U.S. Justice Department is investigating whether traders used tether, a controversial cryptocurrency that founders say is backed 1:1 by a U.S. dollar, to prop up bitcoin, according to a report from Bloomberg News, which cited three people familiar with the matter.

    Tether and Bitfinex did not immediately respond to CNBC’s request for comment.

    Federal prosecutors launched a criminal probe into the cryptocurrencies earlier this year, Bloomberg reported. But they now suspect that traders on crypto exchange Bitfinex might have been using tether to coordinate bitcoin’s price moves illegally, Bloomberg reported.

    The Commodity Futures Trading Commission also subpoenaed tether and Bitfinex, who share many of the same executives, in December in part to prove that these tokens are actually backed by a reserve of U.S. dollars. The potential market tricks include “spoofing,” or placing fake orders until the price hits a certain level, then pulling those orders.

    Other U.S. agencies have cracked down on certain aspects of cryptocurrency in recent weeks. On Friday, the Securities and Exchange Commission announced its first civil penalties against cryptocurrency founders as part of a wide regulatory and legal crackdown on abuses in the industry.

    Regulators aren’t the only ones who have flagged tether’s influence on bitcoin.

    University of Texas finance professor John Griffin, who has a 10-year track record of spotting financial fraud, and graduate student Amin Shams published a study in June that said at least least half of the jump in bitcoin was due to coordinated price manipulation.

    In the 66-page paper, the authors explained that tether was used to buy bitcoin at key moments when it was declining, which helped “stabilize and manipulate” the cryptocurrency’s price.

    Tether, although it’s meant to reflect the price of one U.S. dollar, often trades well below that. As of Tuesday, tether was worth roughly 98 cents, according to data from CoinMarketCap.com. Bitcoin, meanwhile, was trading near $4,745 Tuesday after falling to roughly $4,200 earlier in the day. Its price is down more than 75 percent since the all-time high near $20,000.
    Presently below $4300.
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  4. #903
    Quote Originally Posted by FSP-Rebel View Post
    The $4500-5k range wasn't properly tested during the last bull cycle, as it was manipulated all the way up to $20k. Here we are in a final capitulation area before the coming trend reversal. It has nothing to do w/ a fork or confusion from other coins or tokens. Institutional money put the last bull market on steroids then deliberately and systematically controlled the demolition on the way down, killing the mom and pops who panic bought on the way up. The last halving took place in July of 2016 so go and look at the charts leading up to that and beyond. Next halving takes place in 2020 and you'll see a repeat of another bull trend leading up to it and beyond. This capitulation area is the new $180-220 range of 2015's bear market. In other words, this range is a great entry point for bitcoin and many of the other coins/tokens. We've been talking cryptos here since before the last bear market and you all had the chance to ride the last wave up. Your next shot is coming.
    After so many people lost their shirts chasing cryptos a year ago, how big of a pool of new suckers do you think they can really muster to run it up again? I'm thinking that by the time any 2020 fork or whatever rolls around, the real crypto/blockchain from the bankers will be in full usage and few will bother with bitcoin and the rest anymore. Bitcoin served it's purpose of introducing the masses to the idea of cryptocurrency/blockchain and some "made" (read: stole) a lot of money in the process and others got killed.

    eta: I'd love to see some of the people that lost their shirts on bitcoin string up Tom Lee and Brian Kelly. Those two CNBC dicks spent the last year lying through their teeth about cryptos.
    Last edited by devil21; 11-20-2018 at 07:00 PM.
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  5. #904
    Last Thanksgiving, people were hyping Bitcoin and even the average person talking about it and even buying some (sure sign of a bubble when the average Joe wants to get in on the action). Bitcoin soared to almost $20,000. This year, the talk of bitcoin is about how it is going down and the fork makes bitcoins even more confusing to the average person- lowering their potential interest in it. The initial promise was of a single "coin" in limited quantities which you could easily use to make purchases and its limited supply would mean its value would only go up as demand rose. Instead multiple new coins have come into being and even Bitcoin itself has split into other entities. It isn't easy to use for the average person and the supply is no longer limited- the variations of coins seem to be rising even faster than any demand. Instead of being used for purchases and every day transactions, buyers are now mostly serious bitcoin geeks hoping to make money. The buyers are increasingly becoming just each other as the "average Joe" has lost interest. Expanding supply- shrinking demand- a certain recipe for lower prices.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 11-24-2018 at 03:07 PM.
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  7. #905
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Last Thanksgiving, people were hyping Bitcoin and even the average person talking about it and even buying some (sure sign of a bubble when the average Joe wants go tet in on the action). Bitcoin soared to almost $20,000. This year, the talk of bitcoin is about how it is going down and the fork makes bitcoins even more confusing to the average person- lowering their potential interest in it. The initial promise was of a single "coin" in limited quantities which you could easily use to make purchases and its limited supply would mean its value would only go up as demand rose. Instead multiple new coins have come into being and even Bitcoin itself has split into other entities. It isn't easy to use for the average person and the supply is no longer limited- the variations of coins seem to be rising even faster than any demand. Instead of being used for purchases and every day transactions, buyers are now mostly serious bitcoin geeks hoping to make money. The buyers are increasingly becoming just each other as the "average Joe" has lost interest. Expanding supply- shrinking demand- a certain recipe for lower prices.
    I agree. I think the exchanges and sites like Coinmarketcap should have ignored other currencies. Just trade and keep the top few listed, Bitcoin, Ripple, Ethereum and Litecoin. Their greed with these forks screwed themselves and the rest of us.

  8. #906
    Bitcoin now below $3800.
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  9. #907
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Bitcoin now below $3800.
    That's just the cyber Monday sale.
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  10. #908
    Should I wait for it to go to $5000 before I buy?

  11. #909
    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    Should I wait for it to go to $5000 before I buy?
    Buy low sell high .
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  12. #910
    How long before Bitcoin<Gold again?

  13. #911
    Bitcoin bumped back over $4,000 today.
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  14. #912
    Still falling. Bitcoin about $3200 today.
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  16. #913
    One of my friends has been calling a bottom at around $2800 for a long, long time. Some kinda Fibonacci calculation.
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  17. #914
    3,421.93 United States Dollar

  18. #915
    4,775
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  19. #916
    $5136
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    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  20. #917
    The reports of Bitcoin's death were greatly exaggerated.


    The last time BTC tumbled more than 80% it took around 2 years to recover. That may make the end of the year interesting.
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  21. #918
    i went through hell and back..

    2018 was actually relaxing...

    But there ain't enough blood though. Too many $#@! coins. Its going to take years for the public to get educated.

  22. #919
    https://www.coindesk.com/google-sear...since-november

    Google Searches for ‘Bitcoin’ Hit Highest Total Since November

    Trading back above $5,000, more eyes are on the world’s largest cryptocurrency, bitcoin, than have been in nearly 19 weeks, a fact affirmed as worldwide Google searches for “bitcoin” currently hover at levels not seen since Nov. 20.

    Google Trend data reveals the spike in searches was single-handedly achieved on April 2 when the price of the cryptocurrency surged nearly 20 percent in a single hour to clock $4,961, its highest price since Nov. 19, according to CoinDesk’s price data.

    While Google Trends does not provide the exact number of searches, it is apparent the amount of worldwide “bitcoin” searches reached 90 percent of what it was on Nov. 20, as is shown below.

    Indeed, “bitcoin” searches sky-rocketed on Tuesday as investors, traders and the media alike were searching for reasons as to why bitcoin’s price surged.

    Interestingly, most searches came from countries that may not seem to be the most likely of origins.

    Google’s data further reveals the largest amount of searches on April 2-3 were from St. Helena, Netherlands, South Africa, Nigeria and Austria in that order. The U.S., Canada, and the U.K. did not crack the top 10 of most “bitcoin” searchers, ranking in at 11, 12 and 17 respectively.

    The significance of a spike in bitcoin searches may seem trivial at face value, but studies have shown there is a connection between the price of the cryptocurrency and its search interest. The core findings suggest periods of low search volume tend to precede large markups in price that coincide with bitcoin’s famous, or perhaps infamously wild market cycles.
    Search has since dropped off- they rank that day's spike as an index of 100 and rate today compared to that as only 39- meaning only 39% of the search activity as was observed during the spikes on April 1st and April 3rd. Putting the high from December 2017 (matching $20,000 value of one Bitcoin) at 100, google searches this week were only seven percent of what it was then. Last time the Bitcoin Search was this low was May 2017 when Bitcoin was about $1500 each.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 04-05-2019 at 03:35 PM.
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  23. #920
    $7,375.68
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  25. #921
    as usual.. it goes up after going down.

    i bought all the dips from 10k to 3k..

    pop corn time.. will buy more if it dips below 5k

  26. #922
    $7,891.62
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  27. #923
    Will it get to $1 million by the end of next year so that John McAfee does not have to eat his private parts on TV?
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  28. #924
    High again, wow... Cool...

  29. #925
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Oh look it's this thread being accurate again, just as predicted.

    The Tether "fake dollar valuation" scam is unwinding as everyone cashes out. I wonder if there are any "oops, sorry we don't have the cash to fulfill your redemption" bagholders yet...
    Lost among the current bout of cryptocurrency euphoria is the fact that capital outflows are exceeding inflows on some of the biggest digital-asset exchanges.

    While that may sound counter intuitive to the basic laws of supply and demand with prices of Bitcoin and other tokens surging, it’s not that rare an occurrence in a market that has been dogged by allegations of fraud and manipulation over its decade long existence. TokenAnalyst, a London-based provider of blockchain data, estimates that withdrawals from trading platforms including Bitfinex, BitMEX, Binance and Kraken have exceeded inflows by about $622 million over the past 5 days.

    Bitcoin’s more than 30% price rise since last week may have been exaggerated by capital flight from the controversial exchange Bitfinex and its affiliated stablecoin Tether in the wake of allegations that the companies that control both co-mingled client and corporate funds to hide losses. As in past periods of turmoil, investors are seen seeking the safety of Bitcoin because it’s the largest and most liquid token.

    “Since Tether is insufficiently backed, it means that some of the reserves backing customer assets on exchanges are likely insufficient,” John Griffin, a finance professor at University of Texas at Austin who had examined cryptocurrency market manipulation, said in an email. “So smart customers will not custody their funds on exchanges and pull their crypto off exchanges. This could put further upward pressure on Bitcoin prices as one would rather take fake money and exchange it to Bitcoin.”
    ...
    More: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ypto-exchanges
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    Tin Foil Hats, Economic Reality and the Total Perspective Vortex

    Also, have you contacted your Congressional Rep and asked them co-sponsor Ron Paul's Rep. Paul Broun Jr.'s HR 1098 77: Free Competition in Currencies Act?

  30. #926
    Tether is only used for transfers among exchanges. With the long history of problems with Tether I'm surprised anyone actually keeps funds in it for more than the short transaction time between exchanges. If anyone has tether and is worried about being able to cash out, move tether to bitcoin and then btc to fiat. Extra step and minor costs but no worries.
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