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  1. #91

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    San Francisco???
    Well, move the map to where the storm is supposed to be.



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  3. #92

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    Stations as far north as Augusta, Ga are out of gas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    Stations as far north as Augusta, Ga are out of gas.
    Gas prices in the Piedmont, NC have risen .50 cent a gallon. $2.19 a week ago and now $2.69. Into the weekend I'm sure it will go higher. I'm not a fan of government charging companies for price gouging. Supply and demand. Free market. Somehow gas/oil seems to be able to skirt these rules and fines. Lol.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

  5. #94

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    How come this map doesn't show anything?
    https://www.wunderground.com/wundermap
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Well, move the map to where the storm is supposed to be.
    There is a check box for hurricanes and one specifically for Irma.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  6. #95
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Well thats the coolest thing I've seen in a while. Whats that swirly mass in the Gulf by Mexico?
    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




    Reprinted from http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/immigration/ [Nov. 29, 2011]

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Well thats the coolest thing I've seen in a while. Whats that swirly mass in the Gulf by Mexico?
    Katia

    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    I hope they have a flat earth version for all the nut jobs .

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    ZCZC MIATCPAT1 ALL
    TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM

    BULLETIN
    Hurricane Irma Intermediate Advisory Number 37A
    NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL112017
    800 AM EDT Fri Sep 08 2017

    ...CORE OF HURRICANE IRMA FORECAST TO MOVE BETWEEN THE CENTRAL
    BAHAMAS AND THE NORTH COAST OF CUBA TODAY...


    SUMMARY OF 800 AM EDT...1200 UTC...INFORMATION
    ----------------------------------------------
    LOCATION...21.8N 74.7W
    ABOUT 80 MI...125 KM NE OF CABO LUCRECIA CUBA
    ABOUT 450 MI...720 KM SE OF MIAMI FLORIDA
    MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...150 MPH...240 KM/H
    PRESENT MOVEMENT...WNW OR 285 DEGREES AT 16 MPH...26 KM/H
    MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...927 MB...27.37 INCHES


    WATCHES AND WARNINGS
    --------------------
    CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY:

    The Hurricane and Tropical Storm Warnings for Haiti have been
    discontinued.

    SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT:

    A Storm Surge Warning is in effect for...
    * Jupiter Inlet southward around the Florida peninsula to Bonita
    Beach
    * Florida Keys

    A Storm Surge Watch is in effect for...
    * North of Jupiter Inlet to Sebastian Inlet
    * North of Bonita Beach to Venice

    A Hurricane Warning is in effect for...
    * Jupiter Inlet southward around the Florida peninsula to Bonita
    Beach
    * Florida Keys
    * Lake Okeechobee
    * Florida Bay
    * Southeastern Bahamas and the Turks and Caicos Islands
    * Cuban provinces of Camaguey, Ciego de Avila, Sancti Spiritus, and
    Villa Clara
    * Central Bahamas
    * Northwestern Bahamas

    A Hurricane Watch is in effect for...
    * North of Jupiter Inlet to Sebastian Inlet
    * North of Bonita Beach to Anna Maria Island
    * Cuban provinces of Guantanamo, Holguin, Las Tunas and Matanzas

    A Tropical Storm Warning is in effect for...
    * Cuban provinces of Guantanamo, Holguin, and Las Tunas

    A Storm Surge Warning means there is a danger of life-threatening
    inundation, from rising water moving inland from the coastline,
    during the next 36 hours in the indicated locations. For a
    depiction of areas at risk, please see the National Weather
    Service Storm Surge Watch/Warning Graphic, available at
    hurricanes.gov. This is a life-threatening situation. Persons
    located within these areas should take all necessary actions to
    protect life and property from rising water and the potential for
    other dangerous conditions. Promptly follow evacuation and other
    instructions from local officials.

    A Storm Surge Watch means there is a possibility of life-
    threatening inundation, from rising water moving inland from the
    coastline, in the indicated locations during the next 48 hours.
    For a depiction of areas at risk, please see the National Weather
    Service Storm Surge Watch/Warning Graphic, available at
    hurricanes.gov.

    A Hurricane Warning means that hurricane conditions are expected
    somewhere within the warning area. Preparations to protect life and
    property should be rushed to completion.

    A Hurricane Watch means that hurricane conditions are possible
    within the watch area. A watch is typically issued 48 hours
    before the anticipated first occurrence of tropical-storm-force
    winds, conditions that make outside preparations difficult or
    dangerous.

    A Tropical Storm Warning means that tropical storm conditions are
    expected somewhere within the warning area.

    Interests elsewhere in Cuba, Florida, and the southeastern United
    States should monitor the progress of Irma.

    For storm information specific to your area in the United
    States, including possible inland watches and warnings, please
    monitor products issued by your local National Weather Service
    forecast office. For storm information specific to your area outside
    the United States, please monitor products issued by your national
    meteorological service.


    DISCUSSION AND 48-HOUR OUTLOOK
    ------------------------------
    At 800 AM EDT (1200 UTC), the eye of Hurricane Irma was located near
    latitude 21.8 North, longitude 74.7 West. Irma is moving toward the
    west-northwest near 16 mph (26 km/h), and this motion is expected to
    continue for the next day or so with a decrease in forward speed. A
    turn toward the northwest is expected by late Saturday. On the
    forecast track, the eye of Irma should move near the north coast
    of Cuba and the central Bahamas today and Saturday, and be near the
    Florida Keys and the southern Florida Peninsula Sunday morning.

    Maximum sustained winds are near 150 mph (240 km/h) with higher
    gusts. Irma is a category 4 hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson
    Hurricane Wind Scale. Some fluctuations in intensity are likely
    during the next day or two, but Irma is forecast to remain a
    powerful category 4 hurricane as it approaches Florida.

    Hurricane-force winds extend outward up to 70 miles (110 km) from
    the center and tropical-storm-force winds extend outward up to 185
    miles (295 km).

    The latest minimum central pressure reported by a reconnaissance
    plane was 927 mb (27.37 inches).


    HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND
    ----------------------
    STORM SURGE: The combination of a dangerous storm surge and the
    tide will cause normally dry areas near the coast to be flooded by
    rising waters moving inland from the shoreline. The water is
    expected to reach the following HEIGHTS ABOVE GROUND if the peak
    surge occurs at the time of high tide...

    Jupiter Inlet to Bonita Beach, including Florida Keys...5 to 10 ft
    Bonita Beach to Venice...3 to 5 ft
    Jupiter Inlet to Sebastian Inlet...3 to 6 ft

    The deepest water will occur along the immediate coast in areas of
    onshore winds, where the surge will be accompanied by large and
    destructive waves. Surge-related flooding depends on the relative
    timing of the surge and the tidal cycle, and can vary greatly over
    short distances. For information specific to your area, please see
    products issued by your local National Weather Service forecast
    office.

    The combination of a life-threatening storm surge and large breaking
    waves will raise water levels ABOVE NORMAL TIDE LEVELS by the
    following amounts within the hurricane warning area near and to the
    north of the center of Irma. Near the coast, the surge will be
    accompanied by large and destructive waves.

    Turks and Caicos Islands...15 to 20 ft
    Southeastern and central Bahamas...15 to 20 ft
    Northwestern Bahamas...5 to 10 ft
    Northern coast of Haiti and the Gulf of Gonave...1 to 3 ft
    Northern coast of Cuba in the warning area...5 to 10 ft

    WIND: Hurricane conditions are occurring on the Turks and Caicos
    Islands, with tropical storm and hurricane conditions ongoing in the
    southeastern Bahamas. These conditions will move into the central
    Bahamas later today. Hurricane conditions are expected within the
    hurricane warning area along the north coast of Cuba late today and
    Saturday. Hurricane conditions are expected in the northwestern
    Bahamas tonight and Saturday, and in portions of southern Florida
    and the Florida Keys Saturday night or early Sunday.

    Hurricane conditions are possible within the watch area in Florida
    by Sunday, with tropical storm conditions possible by late Saturday.

    RAINFALL: Irma is expected to produce the following rain
    accumulations through Tuesday night:

    Northern Dominican Republic and northern Haiti...additional 2 to 4
    inches.
    Southern Dominican Republic and southern Haiti...additional 1 to 2
    inches.
    Turks and Caicos...additional 3 to 6 inches.
    Southern Bahamas and northern Cuba...10 to 15 inches, isolated 20
    inches.
    Southern Cuba...4 to 8 inches, isolated 12 inches.
    The upper Florida Keys into southeast Florida...10 to 15 inches,
    isolated 20 inches.
    Eastern Florida northward into coastal Georgia...8 to 12 inches,
    isolated 16 inches.
    Lower Florida Keys...3 to 5 inches.
    Western Florida Peninsula into much of Georgia...South
    Carolina...and Western North Carolina...3 to 6 inches.

    In all areas this rainfall may cause life-threatening flash floods
    and in some areas mudslides.

    SURF: Swells generated by Irma are affecting Puerto Rico, the
    Virgin Islands, the southeastern Bahamas, the Turks and Caicos
    Islands, the northern coast of the Dominican Republic, and should
    start affecting portions of the southeast coast of the United States
    later today and tonight. These swells are likely to cause
    life-threatening surf and rip current conditions. Please consult
    products from your local weather office.


    NEXT ADVISORY
    -------------
    Next complete advisory at 1100 AM EDT.
    http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh...l/071451.shtml
    "Logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." ~ Rod Serling
    "Cops today are nothing but an armed tax collector" ~ Frank Serpico
    "To be normal, to drink Coca-Cola and eat Kentucky Fried Chicken is to be in a conspiracy against yourself."
    "People that don't want to make waves sit in stagnant waters."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    There is a check box for hurricanes and one specifically for Irma.
    Seems kind of strange that they can keep the storm from showing in the local weather in that area.

    I can see the storm that's hitting Mexico and I could see the storm that just hit Texas, but this one doesn't show?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Seems kind of strange that they can keep the storm from showing in the local weather in that area.

    I can see the storm that's hitting Mexico and I could see the storm that just hit Texas, but this one doesn't show?
    I don't know what is up with that site, I use: https://earth.nullschool.net/#curren...9.14,13.70,342
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Reuters Top News
    JUST IN: Hurricane Irma is ‘going to devastate the United States’ - FEMA chief.

    CNN
    FEMA Administrator: “I can guarantee you that I don’t know anybody in Florida that’s ever experienced what’s about to hit South Florida.”







    ...Storm Surge Warning issued September 8 at 11:15AM EDT by NWS Key
    West FL...

    * LOCATIONS AFFECTED
    - Key West
    - Big Pine


    * WIND
    - LATEST LOCAL FORECAST: Equivalent Cat 4 Hurricane force wind
    - Peak Wind Forecast: 110-130 mph with gusts to 145 mph

    - Window for Tropical Storm force winds: Saturday afternoon
    until early Monday morning


    - Window for Hurricane force winds: Saturday evening until
    Sunday afternoon


    Hurricane Irma models all seem to show it going inland to the Alabama / Georgia / Tennessee border... and then stalling.
    Looks like a major rain event there for middle of the next week.

    The Associated Press
    BREAKING: Jose strengthens to a Category 4 hurricane; tropical storm warnings in effect for already ravaged Caribbean islands.
    (With another possible storm, Lee, right behind him.)

    GFS has 34ft waves mostly paralleling Miami coast as Irma lands to the west. (I don't want to believe this...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    Reuters Top News
    JUST IN: Hurricane Irma is ‘going to devastate the United States’ - FEMA chief.

    CNN
    FEMA Administrator: “I can guarantee you that I don’t know anybody in Florida that’s ever experienced what’s about to hit South Florida.”







    ...Storm Surge Warning issued September 8 at 11:15AM EDT by NWS Key
    West FL...

    * LOCATIONS AFFECTED
    - Key West
    - Big Pine


    * WIND
    - LATEST LOCAL FORECAST: Equivalent Cat 4 Hurricane force wind
    - Peak Wind Forecast: 110-130 mph with gusts to 145 mph

    - Window for Tropical Storm force winds: Saturday afternoon
    until early Monday morning


    - Window for Hurricane force winds: Saturday evening until
    Sunday afternoon


    Hurricane Irma models all seem to show it going inland to the Alabama / Georgia / Tennessee border... and then stalling.
    Looks like a major rain event there for middle of the next week.

    The Associated Press
    BREAKING: Jose strengthens to a Category 4 hurricane; tropical storm warnings in effect for already ravaged Caribbean islands.
    (With another possible storm, Lee, right behind him.)

    GFS has 34ft waves mostly paralleling Miami coast as Irma lands to the west. (I don't want to believe this...)
    Looks like they are expecting a 10 foot storm surge yet on Miami beach .

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    Hurricane Specialist On Irma: ‘Few People Alive Have Experienced A Storm Like This’
    https://www.westernjournalism.com/hu...zen.yandex.com
    "Logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." ~ Rod Serling
    "Cops today are nothing but an armed tax collector" ~ Frank Serpico
    "To be normal, to drink Coca-Cola and eat Kentucky Fried Chicken is to be in a conspiracy against yourself."
    "People that don't want to make waves sit in stagnant waters."

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    Maybe it will cross the Keys and then hit the Everglades. That would seem to limit the damage, wouldn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Maybe it will cross the Keys and then hit the Everglades. That would seem to limit the damage, wouldn't it?
    Latest looks like it is tracking west. I have a friend in Marco Island that looks like is in the cross hairs. No idea. The storm is so big, even if it rips up the middle, it will affect everyone.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    I have a friend in Fort Lauderdale and one in Fort Myers that are riding it out.
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    Just for the record, 99% of the time I say "In my country........" I am actually messing with you people because I know you guys have absolutely no idea what happens in my country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    If you look at this... (takes a while to load)
    https://www.ventusky.com/?p=34.2;-10...0&m=gfs&w=fast

    you can clearly see why it is tracking west...
    if the prevailing pressure & wind currents are accurate (?)
    then
    it sure LOOKS (2 me) like it's heading right into the Gulf.,,
    might even kick the crap out of Central America.
    (warning: I'm no meteorologist)... but
    Check it yerself and give me some feedback. Watddyathinkk??
    Last edited by goldenequity; 09-08-2017 at 08:08 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    I have a friend in Fort Lauderdale and one in Fort Myers that are riding it out.
    I must admit I'm jealous. I'd love to be there.

    I used to live in Tampa Bay, so lots of friends there. Just heard from one who said it's really weird. Weather is gorgeous, but no bird or insect noises. Dead quiet.
    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




    Reprinted from http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/immigration/ [Nov. 29, 2011]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    I have a friend in Fort Lauderdale and one in Fort Myers that are riding it out.
    I have family in St. Petersburg, Palm Beach, Cape Canaveral, Boca Raton, Palm Coast, Port St. Lucie and Fort Lauderdale-- they are doing the same thing.
    "Logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." ~ Rod Serling
    "Cops today are nothing but an armed tax collector" ~ Frank Serpico
    "To be normal, to drink Coca-Cola and eat Kentucky Fried Chicken is to be in a conspiracy against yourself."
    "People that don't want to make waves sit in stagnant waters."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    I have a friend in Fort Lauderdale and one in Fort Myers that are riding it out.
    Fort Meyers might be a problem. My sister lives in Clearwater (just north of Tampa). They're riding it out also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Latest looks like it is tracking west. I have a friend in Marco Island that looks like is in the cross hairs. No idea. The storm is so big, even if it rips up the middle, it will affect everyone.
    It just seems to me that it's pretty rare for the wind damage from a hurricane to be a major problem. It's usually has to be a direct hit, close to the eye, from a category 5 for the wind damage to really wipe everyone out. Usually the problem is with flooding. If it hits the everglades I think the really intense, tornado like damage, might be limited.

    But then again, I didn't stay in a holiday inn express last night either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    It just seems to me that it's pretty rare for the wind damage from a hurricane to be a major problem. It's usually has to be a direct hit, close to the eye, from a category 5 for the wind damage to really wipe everyone out. Usually the problem is with flooding. If it hits the everglades I think the really intense, tornado like damage, might be limited.

    But then again, I didn't stay in a holiday inn express last night either.
    The Everglades are a national park of Mangrove swamps at the southern most tip of Florida. To the east you have Homestead, where I grew up, Miami and Hialeah, to the West you have Marco Island. If it cut directly down the center then you are correct. No. Neither the east, nor the west, would take as terrible a blow,but, they will still have hell visited upon them. Big Cypress is above the Everglades, then Lake Okeechobee, and you don't get much center city activity until, honestly, Kissemmee, Orlando.
    So, you are correct. Humans hate the interior of the state. If I lived even 2 miles inland it was, in most places, insufferable. That is why the population is on the coast. So yeak, if it tore up the center there may be less damage then if it tore up either coast.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    It just seems to me that it's pretty rare for the wind damage from a hurricane to be a major problem. It's usually has to be a direct hit, close to the eye, tfrom a category 5 for the wind damage to really wipe everyone out. Usually the problem is with flooding. If it hits the everglades I think the really intense, tornado like damage, might be limited.

    But then again, I didn't stay in a holiday inn express last night either.
    My BIL and his family live on the gulf side. About 10 years ago a hurricane hit the east coast, but the tornados it spawned took the roof off their house. And flooding everywhere...
    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




    Reprinted from http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/immigration/ [Nov. 29, 2011]

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    The Everglades are a national park of Mangrove swamps at the southern most tip of Florida. To the east you have Homestead, where I grew up, Miami and Hialeah, to the West you have Marco Island. If it cut directly down the center then you are correct. No. Neither the east, nor the west, would take as terrible a blow,but, they will still have hell visited upon them. Big Cypress is above the Everglades, then Lake Okeechobee, and you don't get much center city activity until, honestly, Kissemmee, Orlando.
    So, you are correct. Humans hate the interior of the state. If I lived even 2 miles inland it was, in most places, insufferable. That is why the population is on the coast. So yeak, if it tore up the center there may be less damage then if it tore up either coast.
    I lived in Orlando for 25 years and I always said if I had to move back to FL, it would be to the coast.

    By the way from what I remember when Andrew hit, it took most people by surprise. I think it strengthened rapidly and even then it "pulsed" as it hit land. I seem to remember they thought it was a cat 4 as it was hitting land but later they upgraded it to a cat 5. That was the worst wind damage I've seen from a hurricane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I lived in Orlando for 25 years and I always said if I had to move back to FL, it would be to the coast.

    By the way from what I remember when Andrew hit, it took most people by surprise. I think it strengthened rapidly and even then it "pulsed" as it hit land. I seem to remember they thought it was a cat 4 as it was hitting land but later they upgraded it to a cat 5. That was the worst wind damage I've seen from a hurricane.
    I don't know for sure but I think Federal Disaster Aid was tied to the catagory. I might be mistaken. Irma is going to be worse than Andrew. It's a stronger, bigger, storm. I don't think at this point it will track up the center. Latest tracks show it moving up the west coast. Predictions don't mean $#@!. This hurricane, Irma, is gonna rip up some $#@!.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    I don't know for sure but I think Federal Disaster Aid was tied to the catagory. I might be mistaken. Irma is going to be worse than Andrew. It's a stronger, bigger, storm. I don't think at this point it will track up the center. Latest tracks show it moving up the west coast. Predictions don't mean $#@!. This hurricane, Irma, is gonna rip up some $#@!.
    The Keys will get obliterated. But if the eye crosses into the everglades I'll bet you it's not as bad as Andrew, at least as far as catastrophic damage and deaths go. The total damage for Irma will be much higher because it will cover more area, and more "stuff", and prices are more inflated.

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