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    One Way to End Drug War Violence



    Two police officers in Kissimmee, Florida, were recently shot and killed while investigating illegal drug activity in a dangerous part of town. According to the New York Times, government officials praised the officers for their service and asked Floridians to pray for other law-enforcement personnel. President Trump weighed in with a tweet in which he offered his thoughts and prayers for the Kissimmee police and their families.

    There is one big thing about that picture, however: It is the drug war itself, which Trump and, no doubt, most of the Kissimmee police department, favor, that is the reason that those two police officers are dead. If drugs were legal, those two dead police officers would not have been investigating illegal drug activity because there would be no illegal drug activity.

    Take a look at this very interesting and revealing article in yesterday’s New York Times about a DEA agent named Enrique Camarena. He too is dead, having been kidnapped, tortured, and murdered in 1985 by a Mexican drug gang. Not surprisingly, the DEA went ballistic over the murder and pulled out all the stops, including violent kidnapping, to bring the malefactors to justice.

    One big thing to notice, however: It is the drug war itself, which most DEA agents favor, that brought about Camarena’s death. If drugs had been legal, Camarena wouldn’t have been in Mexico investigating illegal drug activity because there wouldn’t have been any illegal drug activity.

    Consider this article from yesterday’s Washington Post, entitled “Acapulco is Now Mexico’s Murder Capital.” Why are there so many murders in Acapulco? Because of the drug war. If drugs were legal, there would be no more drug-war murders in Acapulco because there would no longer be a drug war.

    In the early days of the drug war, proponents could innocently say, “We had no idea that drug laws would produce violence and, therefore, we are not really responsible, in a moral sense, for the consequences of this government program that we support.”

    However, after decades of drug-law experience, no one can innocently make that claim. Drug laws have brought into existence drug gangs, drug lords, drug cartels, and drug violence, much like alcohol Prohibition brought into existence Al Capone and his spree of violence. At some point, the proponent of drug laws loses his innocence and must inevitably acknowledge that he himself is morally culpable for the death and destruction that accompanies a government program that he himself supports.

    Mexico used to be a wonderful place to visit. And a safe place. American tourists in Acapulco and other parts of Mexico didn’t have to worry about drug-war violence because there was no drug war. The drug war changed all that. It converted Mexico into a hell-hole of violence, much like it has done in the Philippines.
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    People will still find something to kill each other over.

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    Legalize drugs, and you legalize the War on Drugs. Remember, whatever the media tell us: the US are not "fighting" a War on Drugs, we're managing a War on Drugs. You're giving the deep state what they want, which is a pardon for decades of crime and formalization of the Company cartel. No.

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    You can say what you want about the drug war. It's not just a US police thing. What we do here is small potatoes compared to what happens before the drugs even get here. Rival drug gangs are at war with each other. It doesn't have anything to do with whether drugs are legal or not. Those people want a monopoly on the market and will kill anyone who gets in their way.
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    One more point: Even if drugs are legal, it is a habit that runs against having a healthy, productive life. Whether a substance is legal or illegal, crime and addiction go hand in hand. I do not think there are enough people in this country who fully support the principle of personal responsiblity and consequences for behavior. I'm going to be paying for someone else's choices forever whether it's law enforcement, a health care tax that includes unlimited access to rehab, and the crime that comes my way because someone doesn't have money to pay for their habit.

    It doesn't matter how small the habit is, a man was choked to death by police when he was suspected of selling individual cigarettes. Government in the current climate will never have anything out on the market that it doesn't regulate, control, or tax. Legalizing drugs will never fully happen because the government is a bottomless pit of greed for power and resources.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    People will still find something to kill each other over.
    A lot less without the incentive.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    One more point: Even if drugs are legal, it is a habit that runs against having a healthy, productive life. Whether a substance is legal or illegal, crime and addiction go hand in hand. I do not think there are enough people in this country who fully support the principle of personal responsiblity and consequences for behavior. I'm going to be paying for someone else's choices forever whether it's law enforcement, a health care tax that includes unlimited access to rehab, and the crime that comes my way because someone doesn't have money to pay for their habit.

    It doesn't matter how small the habit is, a man was choked to death by police when he was suspected of selling individual cigarettes. Government in the current climate will never have anything out on the market that it doesn't regulate, control, or tax. Legalizing drugs will never fully happen because the government is a bottomless pit of greed for power and resources.
    There are more people addicted to Medical Pharmaceutical and Controlled Drugs.
    They Kill thousands more than any illegal drug.

    The Violence associated is created by the illegality and profit margins involved.
    ii something is ILLEGAL it INSTANTLY BECOMES VALUABLE. and that invites all manner of profiteer.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    You can say what you want about the drug war. It's not just a US police thing. What we do here is small potatoes compared to what happens before the drugs even get here. Rival drug gangs are at war with each other. It doesn't have anything to do with whether drugs are legal or not. Those people want a monopoly on the market and will kill anyone who gets in their way.
    Do you see this happening over alcohol?



    No. Do you know why?

    Because it's legal. You can brew your own beer, make your own wine. Is it wrong that we need permission to do so? Of course, but only a fool would deny the violence is because of the war on drugs or that it being illegal makes no difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Do you see this happening over alcohol?



    No. Do you know why?

    Because it's legal. You can brew your own beer, make your own wine. Is it wrong that we need permission to do so? Of course, but only a fool would deny the violence is because of the war on drugs or that it being illegal makes no difference.
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    Removing government from any kind of medical procedure or practice would be wonderful, but that would slow the cash flow from lobbyists to Congress.

    I would love to not be treated like a criminal when I ask for a decongestant for allergies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Will the blood stains come off those knives in a dishwasher?

    LOL
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    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
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    Zippy's posts are a great contribution.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    People will still find something to kill each other over.
    You Sir have internalized the lesson of history.
    "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

    -H. L. Mencken

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    Fear of what a man might do with an inanimate object, has proven to be a snare. Go figure.

    Man's nature isn't rocket science.
    Man's very nature has been ignored (again), and look what comes of it -escalating violent behavior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Do you see this happening over alcohol?



    No. Do you know why?

    Because it's legal. You can brew your own beer, make your own wine. Is it wrong that we need permission to do so? Of course, but only a fool would deny the violence is because of the war on drugs or that it being illegal makes no difference.
    ...i believe you'll find that the percentage of numbskull drug prohibitionists here at rpf is roughly equal to the percentage of numbskull trump supporters/republican supporters here at rpf...imagine that... ...you'd think the percentage of numbskulls would be much lower at rpf but for goodness sakes don't run them off!!!..they are wicked good fun!..

    ...[sadly, many republicrats attribute to 'drugs' evils which result more from 'our' abominable monetary/financial order...but man oh man, getting republicrat numbskulls to take an hone$t look into the mo$t important thing$ is a tough tough challenge...for me anyway..]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    People will still find something to kill each other over.


    ...similarly, you'll never fully get that $#@!-stain out of your tighty-whiteys...

    [...but, pssssst, zippy, you can get a lot of it out in a washing machine]

    ...yes, 'utopia' is not an option...people are not perfect...but we can do a whole lot better than 'this'...don't you think?



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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia
    crime and addiction go hand in hand.
    Not really. If cancer or diabetes became illegal crime would crop up around it. Addiction is a sickness it is only a crime because of laws made by people who profit from them. Don't you see this? Imagine if insulin became an illegal substance and people with diabetes had to go to the black market in order to get it. Being an addict is the same thing. Right now there are millions of people addicted to legal drugs but they are not targeted by law enforcement.

    Addicts are sick they are self medicating a pain that society will only recognize as a crime. A rich person's child is put in a 100,000 dollar a month rehab while a poor man's child is put in prison. When we start treating addicts like they are sick instead of criminals some real head way to prevention and treatment.



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