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    Default This Photo of Afghan Women in Miniskirts Helped Convince Trump to Send More Troops

    You'd have to admit his heart tries to be in the right place even when he orders things like MOABs droppings:

    This Photo of Afghan Women in Miniskirts Helped Convince Trump to Send More Troops

    Seems about right.

    Inae Oh
    Aug. 22, 2017 4:18 PM
    Carolyn Kaster/AP

    On Monday, President Donald Trump announced a plan to deploy an additional 4,000 troops to the war in Afghanistan, noting that after years of supporting military withdrawal, he had changed his mind after listening to the counsel of his national security team and military chiefs.

    Trump said in a televised address: “When I became president, I was given a bad and very complex hand, but I fully knew what I was getting into. But one way or another, these problems will be solved.”
    “I am a problem solver,” he added.

    So how did military chiefs convince the president to escalate America’s military presence in Afghanistan? According to the Washington Post, national security adviser H.R. McMaster seized upon Trump’s affinity for visual aids—charts, photos, and the like—and showed him a 1972 black-and-white photo of young Afghani women wearing mini-skirts.
    One of the ways McMaster tried to persuade Trump to recommit to the effort was by convincing him that Afghanistan was not a hopeless place. He presented Trump with a black-and-white snapshot from 1972 of Afghan women in miniskirts walking through Kabul, to show him that Western norms had existed there before and could return.




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    Modernizing w/o Westernizing. That's what the Taliban were working towards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    You'd have to admit his heart tries to be in the right place even when he orders things like MOABs droppings:

    This Photo of Afghan Women in Miniskirts Helped Convince Trump to Send More Troops

    Seems about right.

    Inae Oh
    Aug. 22, 2017 4:18 PM
    Carolyn Kaster/AP

    On Monday, President Donald Trump announced a plan to deploy an additional 4,000 troops to the war in Afghanistan, noting that after years of supporting military withdrawal, he had changed his mind after listening to the counsel of his national security team and military chiefs.

    Trump said in a televised address: “When I became president, I was given a bad and very complex hand, but I fully knew what I was getting into. But one way or another, these problems will be solved.”
    “I am a problem solver,” he added.

    So how did military chiefs convince the president to escalate America’s military presence in Afghanistan? According to the Washington Post, national security adviser H.R. McMaster seized upon Trump’s affinity for visual aids—charts, photos, and the like—and showed him a 1972 black-and-white photo of young Afghani women wearing mini-skirts.
    One of the ways McMaster tried to persuade Trump to recommit to the effort was by convincing him that Afghanistan was not a hopeless place. He presented Trump with a black-and-white snapshot from 1972 of Afghan women in miniskirts walking through Kabul, to show him that Western norms had existed there before and could return.




    3:41 AM - 22 Aug 2017

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    So the photo that non-interventionists have used to show what life was like under the pro-Soviet government that the U.S. under president Jimmy Carter undermined by supporting jihadists is now being used to promote interventionism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    So the photo that non-interventionists have used to show what life was like under the pro-Soviet government that the U.S. under president Jimmy Carter undermined by supporting jihadists is now being used to promote interventionism?

    Yes.
    To be fair, almost all his top advisors have military expertise and every problem looks like a nail when you have a big hammer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Yes.
    To be fair, almost all his top advisors have military expertise and every problem looks like a nail when you have a big hammer.
    To be more fair, Trump campaigned saying he knew more than the generals.
    There is no spoon.

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    Default General McMaster and the Miniskirts

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    Rafia Zakaria, August 24


    IT WAS THE MINISKIRTS THAT DID IT. For many long months of Donald Trump’s unhinged presidency, his collection of stern-faced generals had been begging to send more troops into Afghanistan to stop hemorrhaging losses to the ascendant Taliban. The president did not want to do it; after all, he had promised cheering crowds of red-faced men and women that America would be rebuilt first—that there would be no more building of roads and schools for “people that hate us,” those awful others who are “robbing us blind” and who “shoot our soldiers in the back.”

    And then he saw the miniskirts. As legend has it, General H.R. McMaster, that master tactician, pulled out a photograph from a book written by a woman named Harriet Logan. Taken in 1972, before the avalanche of invasions from one and another superpower, the photo showed three Afghan women in heels and skirts walking down a sidewalk in Kabul. The president, we’re told, responds to pictures, and pictures of women in miniskirts, it seems, are particularly resonant. Suddenly everything came together; Trump could take his cherished habit of objectifying women and make it the raison d’etre for jump-starting a waning war. In a seeming instant the permission for the war to go on was given, the extra troops allotted, the fiat declared grandly to the nation via an evening presidential address.

    The obsession with Afghan women’s clothing, erected on the reductive presupposition that miniskirts equal liberation, is not at all new. Speaking to Congress in the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 terror attacks, Representative Caroline Maloney insisted on wearing a blue Afghan burka on the floor of the House. Her performance climaxed when she took it off and attested to just how oppressed she had felt when wearing it. America’s war-hungry, vengeful moment was thus deftly rechristened as a feminist crusade. The many bipartisan supporters of the invasion in Congress even attached bits and shreds of blue burka fabric to their lapels and appropriated the billions necessary to bomb the country—all selflessly earmarked, for eliminating the burka and freeing the women.

    An offhand peek into history would have revealed that Afghan women had already been liberated, and by another army. When the Soviets invaded Afghanistan in 1979, they, too, claimed to have freed the Afghan women. They were wrong. As the author Doris Lessing discovered when she set about interviewing actual Afghans. In one instance, a man named Amir Mohammadi, a leader of an anti-Soviet political party, explained that, awkwardly enough, for the country’s would-be Soviet liberators, women “were becoming free before The Catastrophe (the Soviet invasion). They could choose to be veiled if they wanted and some did; or to wear jeans and sweaters if they wished.”

    The Soviets, of course, did not listen or care. It was for them, as it is for Americans now, simply too convenient to roll up the invasion and then the occupation into the noble rigmarole of freeing all the oppressed women of Afghanistan. The miniskirt, even then, became an implicit measure of freedom, accepted and endorsed by the invading armies of the Russians then and the Americans now. Veiled women are the reason for war, an unending shower of bombs and bullets all necessary to hasten the return to miniskirts.

    It is not only Trump, cajoled by a Machiavellian McMaster and bolstered by America’s war industrial complex, who believes that bombs can deliver women’s liberation. As late as June of this year, the Feminist Majority Foundation, one of the largest feminist organizations in America, was still begging Congress to continue the occupation of Afghanistan. Their argument, made by Ellie Smeal, the erstwhile NOW president who chairs the FMF, at a June congressional hearing insisted that a under U.S. supervision, Afghan women had already enjoyed a good deal of empowerment . “Great advancements” had occurred on behalf of oppressed Afghan women—all of it a product of the “commitment and dedication” of the U.S. congresswomen who had championed their cause and helped pass the $800 billion in appropriations that has been spent in the war.

    Amid the good-ole-girl backslapping of the June hearing, there was predictably little room for other numbers that attest to different conditions on the ground in Afghanistan. No one mentioned the U.N. report that shows a 400 percent increase in violence suffered by Afghan women between 2009 and 2014. Nor was there any discussion of the grim conclusion to the U.N. special rapporteur’s most recent report, which clearly states that “aid commitments have not translated into concrete improvements and that Afghan women”—and that Afghan women “remain marginalized, discriminated against and at high risk of being subjected to violence.” Also forgotten were the 100,000 civilians who have been killed in Afghanistan since the American invasion in 2001. American feminists, or at least the ones represented by FMF, were in agreement with General McMaster—believers in the premise that meddling is good, occupation is better and liberation, as Americans envision it, entirely exportable.

    Feminism by force and the accompanying liberation by miniskirt is the lie that sits in the center of the American narrative of Afghanistan. If General McMaster used a photograph, others have used human props: Afghan women whose NGOs or educations are funded by American aid dollars are regularly paraded on the conference circuit, their gasping gratitude serving as a testament to the truth that a continuing occupation of their war-devastated country is necessary.

    Afghan women, wearing miniskirts in 1972 or jeans in 2017, are hence made complicit in the destruction and occupation of their own country, exhibited as the flesh-and-blood reasons for why meddling is a must. A successful return to the days when women wore miniskirts in Kabul simply and self-evidently justifies the commitment of more soldiers, many more bombs and more imperial intervention. It now appears to be a simple dictum of Pentagon fashion that as skirts grow shorter, war grows longer.
    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    To be more fair, Trump campaigned saying he knew more than the generals.
    And to be even more fair, Trump campaigned saying he was "the most militaristic person ever," so it's a joke for anyone to say he was non-interventionist and has been tricked by the generals he picked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rebel Poet View Post
    And to be even more fair, Trump campaigned saying he was "the most militaristic person ever," so it's a joke for anyone to say he was non-interventionist and has been tricked by the generals he picked.
    Trump said everything while he was campaigning. He was on every side of every issue. He did it just exactly the way every establishment, Deep State stooge ever did it, with one exception--he saw that the press had discredited itself, so he fought with them. And yet they gave him 24/7 unrelenting coverage anyway.

    Yet Rand Paul had to be abandoned because he didn't say nasty things about Megyn and the other foxhounds--or maybe he did, and no one was there with a camera and a microphone. Anyway, we still know Trump is anti-establishment because the fake news has been telling us so for a year and a half. And if you can't trust the fake news--oh, wait...

    But of course he's an Alpha Wolf and he was subverted by his generals. They showed him old photos of Afghan women in miniskirts knowing he was looking for a country so remote and poor that he could go shopping there for his next trophy wife when Melania gets tired of his $#!+.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Trump said everything while he was campaigning. He was on every side of every issue. He did it just exactly the way every establishment, Deep State stooge ever did it, with one exception--he saw that the press had discredited itself, so he fought with them. And yet they gave him 24/7 unrelenting coverage anyway..
    Trump was a Trojan horse for President Pence to ride in on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Trump was a Trojan horse for President Pence to ride in on.
    Pence.

    The figurehead only matters to us. It doesn't matter to them.

    Just like Nixon, Trump will have people defending him for half a decade after the powers that be leave him in the dust for the vultures to chew on. There will be people for years who cannot and will not admit they got a hard on and fell in love with a puppet who had no plans other than to screw them over hard.

    I don't think the powers that be think Pence will be gaining any traction with that kind of voter--or any other kind, for that matter. Few of the real power players give a $#@! about the office. Only the biggest attention whores of the bunch even consider it. Most of them would just as soon hire an actor--someone who is used to having celebrity worshippers chasing them around, and likes it.

    Of course, if they can't get an actual actor, they'll happily settle for a second rate reality television star. They know a majority of American voters are very easy to fool.

    But, hey. Keep slobbering when he throws you a bone. If we had stood by Rand Paul, we could actually have stopped new regulations and started rolling the old ones back by now. But, you know, be happy that we've slowed the growth to one new regulation per hour, which is clearly better than one new regulation per second.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 08-27-2017 at 09:17 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Pence.
    Ya, otherwise if he was anti establishment they would of already JFKd him and had Pence in there. Pence also said that he wanted to be a VP like Dick Cheney. The transgender and Afghanistan policy is what triggered me to believe it. Those are Pence policies, not Trump policies, Trump is just a puppet for the neocon establishment. This makes his cabinet picks make a lot more sense as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Ya, otherwise if he was anti establishment they would of already JFKd him and had Pence in there. Pence also said that he wanted to be a VP like Dick Cheney. The transgender and Afghanistan policy is what triggered me to believe it. Those are Pence policies, not Trump policies, Trump is just a puppet for the neocon establishment. This makes his cabinet picks make a lot more sense as well.
    Too bad no one could have predicted all this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rebel Poet View Post
    Too bad no one could have predicted prevented all this.
    ftfy
    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rebel Poet View Post
    Too bad no one could have predicted all this.*
    * For those of you who weren't here a year and a half ago, The Rebel Poet did predict all of this, and this is his way of saying, 'I told you so.'
    Quote Originally Posted by Douglas Adams
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    * For those of you who weren't here a year and a half ago, The Rebel Poet did predict all of this, and this is his way of saying, 'I told you so.'
    OK, The Rebel Poet gets two cookies from the cookie jar.
    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The Rebel Poet View Post
    Too bad no one could have predicted prevented all this.
    ftfy
    Maybe we could have prevented all this if many of the members here hadn't actively subverted libertarian/conservative Rand Paul in favor of socialist/neocon Trump.

    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    * For those of you who weren't here a year and a half ago, The Rebel Poet did predict all of this, and this is his way of saying, 'I told you so.'
    I don't really think saying "I told you so" does any good. That was my way of saying "let's all review our decision making processes in light of available information" especially since there were people who not only didn't listen, but mocked those of us who warned.
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    It could have helped if Rand ran a bit better campaign.
    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    It could have helped if Rand ran a bit better campaign.
    It could have helped if Rand hadn't been the 13th floor of a hotel, and hadn't had his main potential base abandon him for a socialist Clinton crony
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rebel Poet View Post
    Maybe we could have prevented all this if many of the members here hadn't actively subverted libertarian/conservative Rand Paul in favor of socialist/neocon Trump.
    I wish.

    The AmeriKan people did not want Rand any more than they wanted Ron.

    Freedom is not popular.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 08-27-2017 at 08:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I wish.

    The AmeriKan people did not want Rand and more than they wanted Ron.

    Freedom is not popular.
    The problem with freedom is it also means responsibility.
    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rebel Poet View Post
    I don't really think saying "I told you so" does any good. That was my way of saying "let's all review our decision making processes in light of available information" especially since there were people who not only didn't listen, but mocked those of us who warned.
    The decision making process is, don't believe the fake news. But don't pay any attention to the candidates the fake news ignores, because then you're out on a limb, and if nobody else does their homework, you wind up voting for someone who doesn't win, and you can't brag about voting for the winner later. Then obsess about having to vote for the evil the fake news approves of. Unless the fake news is kind enough to pretend to hate somebody, in which case you suck their orange dick, and accuse everyone who dares stray from the herd cucks to spare your own creeping misgivings that you're the cuck, and you're a sheep, and you're getting played. Then feel good that you went with the winning half of the herd, and declare yourself a winner as long as you can before you get bent over and $#@!ed.

    But then, you knew that, didn't you?

    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    It could have helped if Rand ran a bit better campaign.
    Nobody ever pointed a camera or microphone at him. How the hell do you know if his campaign was good or not?
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    'An SEP is something we can't see, or don't see, or our brain doesn't let us see, because we think that it's somebody else's problem. That’s what SEP means. Somebody Else’s Problem. The brain just edits it out, it's like a blind spot.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rebel Poet View Post
    It could have helped if Rand hadn't been the 13th floor of a hotel, and hadn't had his main potential base abandon him for a socialist Clinton crony
    As if it were a choice between Rand and Trump.
    NOBODY HERE, would have chosen Trump over Rand, if that was the choice.
    Back to reality.






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