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    Default Should Rand Challenge Trump For The 2020 GOP Nomination?

    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

    -H. L. Mencken



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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Dump needs pressure to keep him from drifting left even if we don't win.

    Here is my list of who should run:
    https://www.thenewamerican.com/freedom-index
    Idaho

    Dist.1: Raul Labrador - 91%

    Kentucky

    Sen. Rand Paul - 93%

    Dist.4: Thomas Massie - 98%

    Utah

    Sen. Mike Lee - 92%

    Michigan

    Dist.3: Justin Amash - 94%


    I am open to suggestions.
    ...
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    Paul/Massie 2020
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    This is 2017, wrong question at the wrong time.

    At this stage, RP should stay clear of any such public talk and focus on "serving people" and even strategically where feasible push Trump to expose/scrutinize/weaken fakenews media, neocon lobbies, ISIS's founding father's political slave masters etc.





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    Yes. Challenge every single time possible. Every single time. You can't win if you never learn how to lose nice and good. Lose over and over and over and over and over again until you win. Maybe you won't ever win. But don't say you didn't try to win every single chance you had the opportunity to try.

    He's got my money and efforts.

    And really we should have some kind of elevated site-wide effort kind of like the good old days when Ron was in it.

    Only thing is, and I hate to say it, we have to be selective about who gets to do what when and where. Maybe a grassroots informational/ad based web site detached from this forum, perhaps. One with no platform for public commentary. We have people with mad skills here who can get it done right. Maybe try to train and send competent delegates nation-wide again.

    Sorry, that's my view on it. But we're often our biggest liability. We don't always act right. And I'm included in that. I'm no angel either, admittedly.

    I've linked friends to our site only to have them come back at me that they thought we were a bunch of anti-government, reckless, vigilante, cowboys, after only reading a few posts here. They kind of got scared away because they thought that Rand and Ron thought the way random people do on the Internet. Crazy stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    This is 2017
    The general election will be November 2020.

    The party conventions will be summer 2020.

    The primaries will start at the end of 2019.

    People will announce their candidacy summer of 2019.

    People planning to run will need to make a decision (privately) in the spring of 2019, at the latest.

    That gives us about a year and a half.
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

    -H. L. Mencken

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    A pipe dream. What evidence has shown he has any willingness or can expand his level of support and popularity?
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

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    Two morons said NO.

    Pitiful.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    @r3volution 3.0,

    Yes. That said, with Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden, Mark Zuckerberg, and possibly Chris Kennedy. I reckon that Trump would be the least of his concerns.
    Lightbearers are immune to the judgment of man.

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    If there are any other challengers, then absolutely he should. If it means stepping up to Donald Trump one on one, well, that's a choice Rand will have to make. Does he want to spend his political capital that way? If he thinks it is a good decision, I'd support him without hesitation.
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    Yes, without question or hesitation.

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    Not if he's going to support creating new nations and arming other established nations, like last go 'round.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul
    Perhaps the most important lesson from Obamacare is that while liberty is lost incrementally, it cannot be regained incrementally. The federal leviathan continues its steady growth; sometimes boldly and sometimes quietly. Obamacare is just the latest example, but make no mistake: the statists are winning. So advocates of liberty must reject incremental approaches and fight boldly for bedrock principles.
    The epitome of libertarian populism

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncharted View Post
    @r3volution 3.0,

    Yes. That said, with Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden, Mark Zuckerberg, and possibly Chris Kennedy. I reckon that Trump would be the least of his concerns.
    One battle at a time, gotta win the primary first.

    Just ask Jeb.
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

    -H. L. Mencken

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    A pipe dream. What evidence has shown he has any willingness or can expand his level of support and popularity?
    Exactly. Rand is too squishy to make a run at Trump. He's been branded. I wish there was someone in the political realm with the fire and record to take Trump on, but that person doesn't exist at the moment.
    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feeding the Abscess View Post
    Not if he's going to support creating new nations and arming other established nations, like last go 'round.
    Was/Is he better than Dump?

    If you find someone better than Rand who will run let me know.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Was/Is he better than Dump?

    If you find someone better than Rand who will run let me know.
    Yes, he was better than Trump.

    However, merely being better than Trump isn't reason enough to support him in a primary challenge. He needs to be radically different for enough people to attach themselves to his candidacy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul
    Perhaps the most important lesson from Obamacare is that while liberty is lost incrementally, it cannot be regained incrementally. The federal leviathan continues its steady growth; sometimes boldly and sometimes quietly. Obamacare is just the latest example, but make no mistake: the statists are winning. So advocates of liberty must reject incremental approaches and fight boldly for bedrock principles.
    The epitome of libertarian populism

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feeding the Abscess View Post
    Yes, he was better than Trump.

    However, merely being better than Trump isn't reason enough to support him in a primary challenge. He needs to be radically different for enough people to attach themselves to his candidacy.
    The point is to pressure Dump to move our direction even if we lose, and if we win any improvement is better than none, certainly better than what the Demoncrats will put up in 2020.

    Like I said if you find someone better than Rand to run let me know.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Much can happen between now and then, but someone I respect once stated "Let it not be said that we did nothing." Rand should listen to this remarkable individual.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    Well, there are a limited number of things that sell to the ignorant voters, and it has to be short and simple (vulgar is fine).

    - Call everyone else names, insult all other candidates.
    - Free sh!t for everyone, tax the rich to do it.
    - America first, limited immigration.
    - Big globalist government with open borders.
    - Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.
    - Israel first.
    - Kill all the white people.

    Which ones should Rand run on? Randomly going through the whole list might work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Well, there are a limited number of things that sell to the ignorant voters, and it has to be short and simple (vulgar is fine).

    - Call everyone else names, insult all other candidates.
    - Free sh!t for everyone, tax the rich to do it.
    - America first, limited immigration.
    - Big globalist government with open borders.
    - Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.
    - Israel first.
    - Kill all the white people.

    Which ones should Rand run on? Randomly going through the whole list might work.
    I appreciate your cynicism, I do - I'm chocked full of it - but it's still possible (if an uphill battle) to win on other issues.

    And, in any event, let me ask you this: what do we have to lose?



    And as Swordsmyth points out, we can win even without winning; we can change the narrative.
    Last edited by r3volution 3.0; 08-22-2017 at 08:13 PM.
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

    -H. L. Mencken

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The point is to pressure Dump to move our direction even if we lose, and if we win any improvement is better than none, certainly better than what the Demoncrats will put up in 2020.

    Like I said if you find someone better than Rand to run let me know.
    Merely being better than Trump isn't going to bring Ron supporters over to Rand. Many of whom were attracted to Ron not because of his libertarianism, but his contrarian, anti-establishment position in the GOP. Those people didn't join up with Rand, and neither did the establishment of the GOP; expecting Rand to do any better against a sitting president in his own party without those types is a fool's errand.

    If being better than Trump is the standard, you might as well throw your support behind whatever schmuck the Libertarian Party will nominate this cycle.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul
    Perhaps the most important lesson from Obamacare is that while liberty is lost incrementally, it cannot be regained incrementally. The federal leviathan continues its steady growth; sometimes boldly and sometimes quietly. Obamacare is just the latest example, but make no mistake: the statists are winning. So advocates of liberty must reject incremental approaches and fight boldly for bedrock principles.
    The epitome of libertarian populism

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    I'm young and I've got nothing but time and energy. Right now I feel like a compressed spring, just waiting for someone to come along and give me the ok to DO something for them. The problem with a compressed spring is that it loses potential energy the longer it remains compressed. So if Rand doesn't run in 2020, SOMEONE from Swordsmyth's list better run and they better give me that ok. Because if they run and don't ask me to volunteer, I'm just going to have to volunteer myself. And yes, I know I'm young and inexperienced and probably over enthused, but that's what makes the grassroots special, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feeding the Abscess View Post
    If being better than Trump is the standard, you might as well throw your support behind whatever schmuck the Libertarian Party will nominate this cycle.
    This is about the primaries, as I said above even if we lose we need to put pressure on Dump to move our direction, anyone better than him will do for that purpose.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by not.your.average.joe View Post
    I'm young and I've got nothing but time and energy. Right now I feel like a compressed spring, just waiting for someone to come along and give me the ok to DO something for them. The problem with a compressed spring is that it loses potential energy the longer it remains compressed. So if Rand doesn't run in 2020, SOMEONE from Swordsmyth's list better run and they better give me that ok. Because if they run and don't ask me to volunteer, I'm just going to have to volunteer myself. And yes, I know I'm young and inexperienced and probably over enthused, but that's what makes the grassroots special, right?
    I'm temporarily out of rep for joe, someone please cover me.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feeding the Abscess View Post
    Merely being better than Trump isn't going to bring Ron supporters over to Rand. Many of whom were attracted to Ron not because of his libertarianism, but his contrarian, anti-establishment position in the GOP.
    This is actually true. Some former Ron Paul supporters are now supporting the alt right/white nationalists. On paper these two groups are 180 degrees opposite of each other, but some of these people just want to support the most extreme and most anti establishment political philosophy possible. And right now the alt right/white nationalist movement is the most radical political movement in the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Well, there are a limited number of things that sell to the ignorant voters, and it has to be short and simple (vulgar is fine).

    - Call everyone else names, insult all other candidates.
    - Free sh!t for everyone, tax the rich to do it.
    - America first, limited immigration.
    - Big globalist government with open borders.
    - Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.
    - Israel first.
    - Kill all the white people.

    Which ones should Rand run on? Randomly going through the whole list might work.
    THE issue is "BRING THEM HOME"
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    And as Swordsmyth points out, we can win even without winning; we can change the narrative.
    The current political narrative and climate won't be changed if Rand reprises his last run. The establishment isn't going to back him unless he fully sells out (and even then, why not just back someone who has been with them for years or decades?), in which case every one of us would be gone, and the anti-establishment isn't going for Rand unless he sheds his whole persona for 2020 - and those who value consistency would be suspicious of such a change, anyway.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul
    Perhaps the most important lesson from Obamacare is that while liberty is lost incrementally, it cannot be regained incrementally. The federal leviathan continues its steady growth; sometimes boldly and sometimes quietly. Obamacare is just the latest example, but make no mistake: the statists are winning. So advocates of liberty must reject incremental approaches and fight boldly for bedrock principles.
    The epitome of libertarian populism

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    Quote Originally Posted by not.your.average.joe View Post
    I'm young and I've got nothing but time and energy. Right now I feel like a compressed spring, just waiting for someone to come along and give me the ok to DO something for them. The problem with a compressed spring is that it loses potential energy the longer it remains compressed. So if Rand doesn't run in 2020, SOMEONE from Swordsmyth's list better run and they better give me that ok. Because if they run and don't ask me to volunteer, I'm just going to have to volunteer myself. And yes, I know I'm young and inexperienced and probably over enthused, but that's what makes the grassroots special, right?
    Word

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I'm temporarily out of rep for joe, someone please cover me.
    Done
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

    -H. L. Mencken

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    If he starts saying things like "End the Fed" and "Bring them all home, even from Korea" and "Eliminate these five complete departments", or golf claps when moderators accuse him of wanting to abolish the CIA, or stands up straight and teaches the country about what blowback is, then he should run.

    If he phones it all in like he's been doing for his entire political career, then no.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    I'm very conflicted. I think it would be hilarious to primary the $#!+ out of that orange clown. I'd love it. But on the other hand, I'm realistic enough to realize that defeating a sitting Republican president in Republican primaries is about as likely as turning Hillary honest. Which means Rand could cost himself by doing it. He could cost himself Senate allies. He could cost himself popularity among red meat Republidiots in Kentucky, or in 2024. Is there anything to gain to compensate for those risks?

    On the other hand, the extreme end of the liberal spectrum is being encouraged to go stark raving mad. Liberals got screwed by Hillary's superdelegates, and they're being tarred by these goons who self-identify as being like them when they're nothing like the traditional, peace-loving lib.

    I think it's time to do to the Democratic Party what we did to the GOP. Let's get the Deep State in a pincers. Time to hit their Left flank for a change. If they can screw us in a bipartisan manner, then we can damned well fight back in a bipartisan manner. The Deep State did just as much to torpedo them by blacking out their most electable candidate--Webb--and did just as much to screw them at the convention--with superdelegates. They're pissed. They're ripe for the picking.

    Tulsi Gabbard?
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