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    Study: Toxic Herbicide Glyphosate Found as Contaminant in Vaccines

    Weeding Out Vaccine Toxins: MMR, Glyphosate, and the Health of a Generation

    by Dr. Stephanie Seneff
    Health Impact News

    Glyphosate, often sold under the brand name “Roundup,” is the most widely used weed killer in the U.S. Glyphosate is a “non-selective herbicide,” which means it kills many plants, not just weeds. It kills them by interfering with the production of critical proteins necessary for growth.

    In commercial agriculture, Roundup is used on “Roundup Ready” crops—crops that have been genetically modified to resist the powerful toxic effects of glyphosate. The list of Roundup Ready crops includes soy, corn, canola and sugar beets. It is important to remember that, while these plants have been modified to resist the harmful effects of glyphosate, the people and animals that eat them have not.

    In a series of articles, my colleague Anthony Samsel and I have been exploring the connection between glyphosate and a number of diseases, including multiple sclerosis, autism, Alzheimer’s disease, and cancer.

    In our most recent article, “Glyphosate Pathways to Modern Diseases VI: Prions, Amyloidoses and Autoimmune Neurological Diseases,” we present evidence that glyphosate has made its way into several widely used vaccines. We describe how the glyphosate residue contained in vaccines might induce the kind of autoimmune responses typically observed in autism.

    Interestingly, of all the vaccines we tested, MMR stood out as consistently having the highest level of glyphosate contamination. This fact may help explain why the MMR vaccine, which contains neither mercury nor aluminum, has been implicated so often in vaccine injury and autism.

    How Might Glyphosate Make Its Way into Vaccines?

    Vaccines can become contaminated in many ways. One potential source of contamination is the animal tissue (chicken embryo, fetal bovine serum, monkey kidney, etc.) that is used as a culture medium to grow the viruses contained in vaccines. The measles virus for the MMR is grown on gelatin made from the bones and ligaments of commercially raised cows and pigs, animals that have been fed a steady diet of Roundup Ready corn and soy feed. Gelatin is also used as a stabilizer in vaccines, creating another possible route of contamination.

    As Roundup producer Monsanto itself has reported, the residue from glyphosate tends to accumulate in the bones, marrow, and collagen-rich ligaments of animals. Anthony Samsel confirmed this finding in his own study of the bones, marrow, and other parts of pigs and cows, as well as the derived bovine gelatin.

    To provide additional evidence that gelatin is the source of glyphosate contamination in vaccines, Samsel looked at a number of gelatin-based products, including Jell-O, gummi vitamins, and protein powders. He also looked at digestive enzymes such as trypsin and lipase. He found significant glyphosate residue in all of them.

    It should come as no surprise, then, that all of the vaccines that list gelatin and bovine serum as ingredients tested positive for glyphosate, while those that contained neither of these ingredients tested negative.

    Glyphosate may be contributing to another source of vaccine contamination. In a recent study published in the International Journal of Vaccines and Vaccination, researchers were shocked to discover a variety of toxic metals in a number of common vaccines. Platinum, silver, bismuth, iron, and chromium all showed up in the MMR vaccine.

    The source of these contaminants is considered to be a mystery. It is interesting to note in this context that glyphosate was first patented as a pipe cleaner due to its remarkable ability to chelate metals. It may be the case that glyphosate is playing a role in extracting metals from containers during the manufacture of vaccines.

    My research leads me to believe that synergistic toxicity between glyphosate and vaccines, particularly MMR, is a major factor in the growing autism epidemic. The severity of MMR-related adverse events, as reflected in the FDA’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, has increased steadily in recent years—along with the use of glyphosate on corn and soy crops in the U.S.

    Some of the reactions that have become significantly more common after 2002 compared to before 2002 are seizures, anaphylactic shock, asthma, autism, eczema, irregular heart rate, and ear infection. Of course, correlation does not prove causation; it is important to understand how glyphosate residues might disrupt the body’s immune system.

    How Might the Glyphosate in Vaccines Cause Autism?

    In our recent article, Samsel and I describe how the measles virus in the MMR, which is grown on nutrients contaminated with glyphosate, could incorporate this glyphosate into its own proteins, as a coding error, in place of the amino acid glycine. Glyphosate is a glycine molecule with an additional methyl phosphonyl group attached to the nitrogen atom, and we have argued that a key mechanism of its insidious cumulative toxicity is its ability to substitute for glycine by mistake during protein synthesis.

    Haemagglutinin is the main antigen produced by the measles virus that is responsible for inducing an antibody response to the vaccine. A glyphosate-contaminated haemagglutinin molecule from a measles virus will be much more allergenic than one that is free of glyphosate.

    When the measles virus from the vaccine gains access to the brain, the brain’s immune system acquires antibodies to this abnormal haemagglutinin molecule, and then, through molecular mimicry, these antibodies become autoantibodies to myelin basic protein, a basic component of the myelin sheath. This autoimmune attack on the nerve fibers in the brain disrupts neuronal communication channels, causing the symptoms of autism.

    Vijendra K. Singh and his colleagues at Utah State University have published multiple papers, dating back to the 1990s, proposing that an autoimmune attack on the myelin sheath due to a viral infection may be a causative factor in autism. In their 2002 paper, “Abnormal Measles-Mumps-Rubella Antibodies and CNS Autoimmunity in Children with Autism,” they concluded that “an inappropriate antibody response to MMR, specifically the measles component thereof, might be related to pathogenesis of autism.”

    A paper published by Dr. William Shaw in 2017 discussed a set of triplets—two boys with autism and a girl with a seizure disorder—all of whom had high levels of glyphosate in their urine and a disrupted gut microbiome, which he proposed was a causative factor.

    Gut Dysbiosis: a Primary Factor

    Not all children will respond to a glyphosate-contaminated vaccine in the same way. A key factor that increases susceptibility of the brain to damage is an unhealthy gut microbiome, which leads to a leaky gut barrier and subsequently a leaky brain barrier, via a tight communication channel between the gut microbes and the brain.

    Prior chronic exposure to high levels of dietary glyphosate can set a child up for a severe adverse reaction to a vaccine. Dr. Andrew Wakefield, together with many colleagues, published a seminal article in the Lancet in 1998 on a case study of twelve children, all of whom had a gut disorder and all of whom suffered onset of gastrointestinal and neurological symptoms following MMR vaccine, with regression into an autism-like syndrome.” Parents of eight of the children cited MMR as the trigger for their child’s decline.

    Wakefield was among the first scientists to recognize the important role of a disrupted gut microbiome in the etiology of autism. Unfortunately, the Lancet paper was later retracted and other researchers were very slow to follow up on this important lead, although finally today an unhealthy gut is recognized as a key feature linked to autism.

    Dr. Wakefield recognized that the children in his study suffered from a leaky gut barrier, as a consequence of damage to the lining of the small intestine. This lining is covered with millions of small projections called villi, creating a huge surface area for the absorption of nutrients.

    The cells that form these villi, called enterocytes, begin life as an undifferentiated stem cell in the “crypt” area of the intestines. From there, they proliferate and mature as they migrate up the walls of the crypt, and then settle in on the surface of the villi, where they absorb nutrients before dying and getting replaced by new arrivals in a constant renewal process, as illustrated in Figure 1.

    Glyphosate, as an amino acid, is actively imported into cells along L-type amino acid transporters. Cells that proliferate, like enterocytes, express high levels of these transporters, and therefore preferentially take up glyphosate.

    In Celiac disease (gluten intolerance), the enterocytes are destroyed more quickly due to exposure to glyphosate and other toxic chemicals. This damage causes the cells to proliferate more quickly, in order to replace destroyed cells. Increased proliferation causes an increase in the uptake of glyphosate, creating a downward spiral.

    Thus, glyphosate residue in food sets a child up to fail following an MMR vaccine. Wheat, barley, oats, chick peas, lentils, and sugar cane are not glyphosate resistant, but glyphosate is frequently used as a desiccant or ripening agent for them right before harvest, and it is actively taken up by the seed.

    Some of the highest levels of glyphosate have been found as a contaminant in these non-GMO foods, so eating “non-GMO” is not adequate for glyphosate avoidance. Glyphosate is not allowed in organic agriculture, so buying USDA certified organic foods is the best option. Children with autism often suffer from gluten intolerance, and I believe glyphosate is a major causative factor in both conditions.

    Figure 1: Schematic of the enterocytes in the villi lining the walls of the small intestine, which migrate upward from the crypt to the villus as they mature into functioning enterocytes from initial stem cells. These cells are especially vulnerable to glyphosate toxicity, leading to a leaky gut syndrome.

    A Lost Generation

    We have been misled for far too long by the claim that vaccines are “safe and effective.” It is not at all clear that inducing specific antibodies to a small set of infective agents, such as the measles virus, while weakening the immune system’s ability to fight off all the other infective agents in the environment, is the best way to deal with infectious disease.

    As we have seen, antibodies can become autoantibodies and attack the body’s own tissues, leading to chronic diseases that are often worse than the infectious diseases they protect from.

    Vaccinated children suffer from many debilitating neurological and autoimmune diseases in far greater numbers than unvaccinated children. The manufacture of vaccines is a tricky process, and along with the acknowledged toxic ingredients like mercury, aluminum, and formaldehyde, they also have been found to contain contaminants like glyphosate and toxic metals that may well be the biggest contributors to severe adverse reactions.

    Children today may already be a lost generation, but several policy changes need to take place in the immediate future to save subsequent generations from a similar fate.

    We need to repeal the 1986 legislation that protects pharmaceutical companies from liability when a child’s life is ruined by a vaccine. This will surely pressure them to try harder to keep impurities out of vaccines.

    We need to eliminate laws such as California’s SB277 that prevents unvaccinated children from enrolling in public or private schools, and be vigilant to ensure other states don’t follow suit. Then parents will be empowered to make decisions about the best path towards building a strong immune system in their child.

    Part of that program needs to be a switch to a 100 percent USDA certified organic diet, in order to protect children from the dangers posed by toxic herbicides, insecticides and fungicides.

    Finally, we need to insist that our elected representatives pass laws that protect consumers from products like glyphosate, which are designed to disrupt processes that support life.

    Dr. Stephanie Seneff is a Senior Research Scientist at MIT’s Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory in Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA. She has a BS degree from MIT in biology and MS, EE and PhD degrees from MIT in electrical engineering and computer science. She has published over 200 peer-reviewed papers in scientific journals and conference proceedings. Her recent interests have focused on the role of toxic chemicals and micronutrient deficiencies in health and disease, with a special emphasis on the pervasive herbicide, Roundup, and the mineral, sulfur. She has authored over thirty peer-reviewed journal papers over the past few years on these topics, and has delivered numerous slide presentations around the world.
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    Great article!
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Parts per trillion is not going to have any effect on anybody (Chart at link indicates amounts found were less than one part per billion for nearly all vaccines it was reportedly found in). Bad science.


    https://people.csail.mit.edu/seneff/...e_VI_final.pdf

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tamar-...b_3162694.html

    Condemning Monsanto With Bad Science Is Dumb


    Did you see the latest indictment of Monsanto making the rounds? It’s a “peer-reviewed” paper in the journal Entropy, co-authored by Anthony Samsel and Stephanie Seneff, blaming glyphosate, the compound in the herbicide Roundup, for virtually all the ills that can befall us.

    But here’s the thing — they made it up. Or, all but. They say, “We explain the documented effects of glyphosate and its ability to induce disease, and we show that glyphosate is a ‘textbook example’ of exogenous semiotic entropy: the disruption of homeostasis by environmental toxins.” Exogenous semiotic entropy! That sounds serious. Google it, though, and you find that those three words occur together in only place. This paper. They made it up. At first, I thought the whole thing was one of those jargon-laden academic hoaxes but, alas, it isn’t.

    Slog through their argument (and, please, if you take this seriously, read the paper!), and you find it boils down to two things. Glyphosate, they claim, 1) inhibits CYP enzymes, which are active in lots of metabolic processes, and 2) disrupts gut bacteria, which are susceptible to its mechanism (disrupting the shikimate pathway), even though humans are not. Therefore, any condition that involves metabolic processes or gut bacteria must be affected by glyphosate exposure. QED!

    Here’s the list of ills they blame, at least in part, on Roundup: inflammatory bowel disease, obesity, Alzheimer’s, autism, anorexia, dementia, depression, Parkinson’s, reproductive issues, liver diseases and cancer.

    The evidence for these mechanisms, and their impact on human health, is all but nonexistent. The authors base their claim about CYP enzymes on two studies, one of liver cells and one of placental cells, which report endocrine disruptions when those cells are exposed to glyphosate. Neither study is CYP-specific (The effect of pesticides on CYP enzymes, by contrast, has been studied specifically.) As for the gut bacteria, there appears to be no research at all on glyphosate’s effect on them.

    Samsel and Seneff didn’t conduct any studies. They don’t seem interested in the levels at which humans are actually exposed to glyphosate. They simply speculated that, if anyone, anywhere, found that glyphosate could do anything in any organism, that thing must also be happening in humans everywhere. I’d like to meet the “peers” who “reviewed” this.

    After reading the paper, I had to wonder — who are Samsel and Seneff? Seneff is a Senior Research Scientist in the Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Lab at MIT. Her advanced degrees are in electrical engineering. She describes herself as having “recently become interested in the effect of drugs and diet on health and nutrition.” Samsel describes himself as an “Independent Scientist and Consultant,” and, for the last 37 years, has run Anthony Samsel Environmental and Public Health Services, which does “Charitable community investigations of industrial polluters.” I think it’s fair to say they probably went into this with a point of view.

    There’s real danger in bad science like this. Industrial agriculture has created a lot of environmental problems. We have to find ways to reform our food system, but shoddy research only helps Monsanto. If we base our objections on papers like this one, we won’t — and we shouldn’t — be taken seriously.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 08-19-2017 at 11:24 AM.

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    A non-toxic herbicide would be an ineffective one....

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    A non-toxic herbicide would be an ineffective one....
    So you're in favor of "effective" herbicides residing in vaccines given to children?
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    A non-toxic herbicide would be an ineffective one....

    Acetic acid, D-limonene and ordinary dish soap are very effective and it does not hurt the soil microbes. Toxic herbicides/pesticides have stripped our soils of the good minerals, is it any wonder why people are so unhealthy? Oh and this is nothing new, in the late 1930's Government was well aware of these issues and even addressed it.

    I guess we can thank Lincoln, once again, for implementing the DoA.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    So you're in favor of "effective" herbicides residing in vaccines given to children?
    And in their food. The double whammy.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    So you're in favor of "effective" herbicides residing in vaccines given to children?
    It was a joke, meaning that if it was not toxic it would not kill a plant.

    Starting a sentence with the word "So" followed by a strawman....I'm not taking the bait.



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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Acetic acid, D-limonene and ordinary dish soap are very effective and it does not hurt the soil microbes.
    Again, I beg of you - please take a chemistry class. The chemicals in dish soap are more toxic than glyphosate.

    For the toxicity comparison, I only looked up the mammalian (rats and rabbits) toxicity values for glyphosate, acetic acid, and salt. In both toxicity measures, acetic acid is more toxic than glyphosate. Salt is more toxic to rats compared to glyphosate when exposed orally. Pound per pound, glyphosate actually appears to be less acutely toxic to the mammalian test organisms compared to acetic acid or salt.

    How could this be, you ask? Everything you’ve read on the internet says glyphosate is causing ailments from autism to obesity. How could glyphosate be less toxic than vinegar? Truth is, it is easy to make a chemical (any chemical) sound pretty nasty, even if you use verifiable, factual information.


    In other words, most of what we read on the internet is garbage. But hey - bottom feeders gotta eat too.
    Last edited by angelatc; 08-18-2017 at 10:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Again, I beg of you - please take a chemistry class. The chemicals in dish soap are more toxic than glyphosate.



    In other words, most of what we read on the internet is garbage. But hey - bottom feeders gotta eat too.
    I beg of you to learn some manners and stick your arrogant condescension where the sun doesn't shine.

    The dish soap I use does not kill plant life nor deplete the soil of microbes like glyphosate does. In the south they soak Hominy in Potassium Hydroxide and have been doing it for years to prepare them for grits.

    INGREDIENTS
    Water, Organic Coconut Oil*, Potassium Hydroxide**, Organic Palm Kernel Oil*, Organic Olive Oil*, Organic Hemp Oil, Organic Jojoba Oil, Natural Almond Fragrance, Citric Acid, Tocopherol
    https://shop.drbronner.com/pure-castile-liquid-soap
    Last edited by donnay; 08-18-2017 at 04:39 PM.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    I beg of you to learn some manners and stick your arrogant condescension where the sun doesn't shine.

    The dish soap I use does not kill plant life nor deplete the soil of microbes like glyphosate does. In the south they soak Hominy in Potassium Hydroxide and have been doing it for years to prepare them for grits.


    https://shop.drbronner.com/pure-castile-liquid-soap
    http://www.livestrong.com/article/12...ium-hydroxide/

    . For example, potassium hydroxide is found in varied items such as liquid soaps, lotions, shampoos, hairsprays, and denture cleaners, but is also found in more industrial compounds such as oven cleaners, drain cleaners, driveway and concrete cleaners, in non-phosphate detergents, and in drain and pipe cleaners.
    Mmm. Sounds good. Yes, a healthy alternative.

    https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/npgd0523.html

    Exposure Routes
    inhalation, ingestion, skin and/or eye contact

    Symptoms
    irritation eyes, skin, respiratory system; cough, sneezing; eye, skin burns; vomiting, diarrhea

    Target Organs
    Eyes, skin, respiratory system

    Personal Protection/Sanitation
    (See protection codes)
    Skin:Prevent skin contact
    Eyes:Prevent eye contact
    Wash skin:When contaminated
    Remove:When wet or contaminated
    Changeaily
    Provide:Eyewash, Quick drench

    First Aid
    (See procedures)
    Eye:Irrigate immediately
    Skin:Water flush immediately
    Breathing:Respiratory support
    Swallow:Medical attention immediately

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Yeah it is wood ash and water. Baking soda and vinegar will also clean drains. The funny thing is you will scrutinize Potassium Hydroxide but see nothing wrong with vaccines, synthetic drugs, fluoride and chlorine--go figure.

    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Yeah it is wood ash and water. Baking soda and vinegar will also clean drains. The funny thing is you will scrutinize Potassium Hydroxide but see nothing wrong with vaccines, synthetic drugs, fluoride and chlorine--go figure.

    You are similarly selective in deciding what is beneficial and harmful. Everything is potentially toxic.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 08-19-2017 at 11:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    You are similarly selective in deciding what is beneficial and harmful.
    Ah, but does she obfuscate issues the way you do? Potassium hydroxide is used to treat hominy, it isn't left in it. It isn't an ingredient in grits.

    Why don't you post all the official 'indications' of poisoning by all the chemicals which the federal government requires commercial kitchens to use as disinfectants, while you're at it? It would make just as much logical sense as derailing this thread with a War on Grits.
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    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    I beg of you to learn some manners and stick your arrogant condescension where the sun doesn't shine.
    .

    I'm just trying to either keep you from embarrassing yourself and/or building a cult. It's a shame you are more determined to be a teacher than a student. Most people strive to be both. If you would expand your educational base beyond simply reinforcing what you already "know is true" whole new worlds would open up to you.


    The dish soap I use does not kill plant life nor deplete the soil of microbes like glyphosate does. In the south they soak Hominy in Potassium Hydroxide and have been doing it for years to prepare them for grits.


    htp
    Why would you suggest using a dish soap that, according to you, doesn't kill plants to kill plants?

    And why are you suddenly yammering about soil microbes in a vaccine thread? And what's really funny is that you're wrong about that, too. The microbes destroy the glyphosate - not vice versa. That's what makes it such a fantastic product. Older pesticides required weeks before you could plant - glyphosate gets broken down in a single day.
    Last edited by angelatc; 08-19-2017 at 11:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Ah, but does she obfuscate issues the way you do? Potassium hydroxide is used to treat hominy, it isn't left in it. It isn't an ingredient in grits.

    Why don't you post all the official 'indications' of poisoning by all the chemicals which the federal government requires commercial kitchens to use as disinfectants, while you're at it? It would make just as much logical sense as derailing this thread with a War on Grits.
    If you want to stay with the OP topic- glyphosate is not an ingredient in vaccines. Therefore, the entire thread is illogical. (and according to Donnay, it IS an ingredient in the grits she posted).



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    If you want to stay with the OP topic- glyphosate is not an ingredient in vaccines. Therefore, the entire thread is illogical. (and according to Donnay, it IS an ingredient in the grits she posted).
    You say glyphosate is not an ingredient in vaccines, yet the authors of the article in the OP claim to have evidence that it has indeed found its way into them. You are here trying to refute that by claiming that donnay says potassium hydroxide is not removed from hominy in the process of making grits.

    Is there a link in this chain of logic that's I'm overlooking?
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    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You say glyphosate is not an ingredient in vaccines, yet the authors of the article in the OP claim to have evidence that it has indeed found its way into them. You are here trying to refute that by claiming that donnay says potassium hydroxide is not removed from hominy in the process of making grits.

    Is there a link in this chain of logic that's I'm overlooking?
    Parts per trillion they claimed (they didn't test any vaccines themselves) to find is virtually non- existent. You can find almost anything in everything at the parts per trillion level. Ingredients in food are required to be listed in the order of amounts they are used. (realizing that the ingredients list was not actually for grits but for Dr. Bonner's soap). Potassium hydroxide is another term for lye- a harsh chemical.

    http://www.brixman.com/blog-page/hominy-potassium

    What does the lye treatment do? It softens the husk and facilitates husk removal from corn soaked in it. This white hull-less corn is then either canned or dried and sold as hominy.

    It appears (and only extensive chemical analysis could prove) that some, maybe much of the lye either soaked into the corn itself or perhaps chemically combined with it.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 08-19-2017 at 12:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    ...not an ingredient...
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    ...virtually non- existent.
    Well. You seem to finally be making up your mind what your argument is. Are you going to stick to it, or is it an insufficient derail for your tastes?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Well. You seem to finally be making up your mind what your argument is. Are you going to stick to it, or is it an insufficient derail for your tastes?
    You've caught on to Zippy "logic". It goes something like this:

    claim in OP: glyphosate was found in vaccine ingredients

    Zip: they did not find glyphosate in vaccines

    Zip clarification: they found it in quantities so low, it was insignificant.

    They (the Zip team) do the same thing with vaccine injuries and deaths. I constantly post evidence that vaccines cause injury and deaths, and that the U.S. Government pays out settlements for such in Vaccine court. The U.S. mainstream corporate sponsored media will never print these facts.

    Zip team comes in behind and hijacks the thread saying it is not true, then later when confronted with the facts clarifies that those injuries and deaths are so few, they are insignificant (their argument, not the OP one).

    When they admit that "so few" actually do in fact occur, I point out that we are then in agreement, since that is the only point I am proving, and they get very angry and adamantly refuse to admit they are actually agreeing with me.

    And of course, his straw man arguments cannot be proven true, because when it comes to something like the number of people actually injured or killed by vaccines, that data is not available (even though they tell you otherwise.)

    The CDC does not even have a classification for vaccine deaths that doctors and coroners can use. They all get lumped into SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Sydrome).

    See: CHASE BOATMON & MAURINAN CUPID vs. SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES
    There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    You've caught on to Zippy "logic". It goes something like this:

    claim in OP: glyphosate was found in vaccine ingredients

    Zip: they did not find glyphosate in vaccines

    Zip clarification: they found it in quantities so low, it was insignificant.

    They (the Zip team) do the same thing with vaccine injuries and deaths. I constantly post evidence that vaccines cause injury and deaths, and that the U.S. Government pays out settlements for such in Vaccine court. The U.S. mainstream corporate sponsored media will never print these facts.

    Zip team comes in behind and hijacks the thread saying it is not true, then later when confronted with the facts clarifies that those injuries and deaths are so few, they are insignificant (their argument, not the OP one).

    When they admit that "so few" actually do in fact occur, I point out that we are then in agreement, since that is the only point I am proving, and they get very angry and adamantly refuse to admit they are actually agreeing with me.

    And of course, his straw man arguments cannot be proven true, because when it comes to something like the number of people actually injured or killed by vaccines, that data is not available (even though they tell you otherwise.)

    The CDC does not even have a classification for vaccine deaths that doctors and coroners can use. They all get lumped into SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Sydrome).

    See: CHASE BOATMON & MAURINAN CUPID vs. SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES
    If vaccine deaths are listed as SIDS deaths and vaccine use has greatly increased and vaccines cause deaths as claimed, shouldn't SIDs deaths be rising?



    That is total numbers of SIDs deaths per year. It does not take into account a rising population and a rising number of vaccines. Vaccines up- SIDs down. I guess vaccines prevent SIDs deaths? (correlation is not causation).



    What about the big picture? Has the increased use of vaccines globally led to more childhood deaths if they are deadly?

    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 08-19-2017 at 01:52 PM.

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    And of course, his straw man arguments cannot be proven true, because when it comes to something like the number of people actually injured or killed by vaccines, that data is not available (even though they tell you otherwise.)
    So you can't support your claim. How convenient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So you can't support your claim. How convenient.
    I have not only supported it, you have agreed with it, as I wrote.
    There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
    (1 John 4:18)

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So you can't support your claim. How convenient.
    It's certainly convenient for somebody that the number of people killed by vaccines is guarded like a State Secret.

    Particularly Big Pharma.
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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    I have not only supported it, you have agreed with it, as I wrote.
    I agreed that serious vaccine side effects can occur in extremely rare cases.

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    It's certainly convenient for somebody that the number of people killed by vaccines is guarded like a State Secret.

    Particularly Big Pharma.
    If it is a common side effect, cases should be easy to find.

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    If vaccine deaths are listed as SIDS deaths and vaccine use has greatly increased and vaccines cause deaths as claimed, shouldn't SIDs deaths be rising?



    That is total numbers of SIDs deaths per year. It does not take into account a rising population and a rising number of vaccines. Vaccines up- SIDs down. I guess vaccines prevent SIDs deaths? (correlation is not causation).



    What about the big picture? Has the increased use of vaccines globally led to more childhood deaths if they are deadly?

    Thank you proving my point and demonstrating Zippy "logic". I made no claim regarding number of SIDS deaths, and whether they are increasing, decreasing, etc.

    My point was the CDC has no classification for death by vaccines. That is a fact.
    There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
    (1 John 4:18)

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    Thank you proving my point and demonstrating Zippy "logic". I made no claim regarding number of SIDS deaths, and whether they are increasing, decreasing, etc.

    My point was the CDC has no classification for death by vaccines. That is a fact.
    You said the CDC counted vaccine deaths as SIDs deaths. If vaccine deaths are counted as SIDs deaths and vaccine use has been increasing and vaccines cause deaths then SIDs deaths should be rising.

    The CDC does not even have a classification for vaccine deaths that doctors and coroners can use. They all get lumped into SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Sydrome).
    How do you account for this? Either a) vaccine deaths are not counted as SIDs deaths or b) vaccines are not causing deaths or c) neither is true.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 08-19-2017 at 02:11 PM.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I agreed that serious vaccine side effects can occur in extremely rare cases.
    Thank you for admitting you were wrong when you wrote I "cannot support" my claim. My claim is it happens. YOUR claim is that it is rare (your argument.) So we actually agree, and most of what you write is false.
    There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
    (1 John 4:18)

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    If it is a common side effect, cases should be easy to find.
    I'm glad you feel that way. I think cases should be easy to find in any case, common or not. But apparently someone disagrees with us, because...

    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    ...the CDC has no classification for death by vaccines. That is a fact.
    So, I guess Big Pharma doesn't want those numbers used to hurt their sales, propel lawsuits against them, and undermine their efforts to get use of their products made mandatory by law. And pays someone enough to conceal them from us.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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