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  1. #211
    Quote Originally Posted by bunklocoempire View Post
    A bunch of private parks and monuments haven't sprung up already?

    Me thinks these "sides" are not sincere about their causes. When you try to control/direct the gun of government, you immediately reveal your true cause.
    Pretty much. It's less directly expensive to control the historical narrative on the taxpayer's dime no matter which side you take.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
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  3. #212
    Quote Originally Posted by Carlybee View Post
    They need to move them all to private property.
    Won't stop a damn thing.

    The Red Terror has begun, and if it spools up into what has happened before, we'll all be lucky to survive it.

    And sadly, it's been needed for a long time, the current model is unsustainable.

  4. #213
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  5. #214
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's a balance between appeasing his supporters, appeasing the deep state and reaching his own goals.
    ~Resident Badgiraffe




  6. #215
    Duke University Removes Robert E. Lee Statue After It Was Vandalized

    The university said it removed the carved limestone likeness early Saturday from Duke Chapel where it stood among 10 historical figures depicted in the entryway. Another statue of Lee was at the heart of a violent protest in Charlottesville, Virginia, that turned deadly a week ago.


    University president Vincent Price said in a letter to the campus community that he consulted with faculty, staff, students and alumni about the decision to remove the statue. Officials discovered early Thursday that the statue's face had been damaged by vandalism.


    "I took this course of action to protect Duke Chapel, to ensure the vital safety of students and community members who worship there, and above all to express the deep and abiding values of our university," Price said in the letter.
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...it-was-n794141

  7. #216
    Something tells me if people were vandalizing statues of MLK they wouldn't be taken down, as that would be appeasing criminals.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's a balance between appeasing his supporters, appeasing the deep state and reaching his own goals.
    ~Resident Badgiraffe






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  9. #217
    full retard:
    http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...818-story.html

    Traveler, USC's mascot, comes under scrutiny for having a name similar to Robert E. Lee's horse

    hen Richard Saukko galloped his chalk-white Arabian horse named Traveler around the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum almost 56 years ago, it was supposed to be a one-time stunt.

    Instead, the brief performance before USC kicked off its season against Georgia Tech turned into one of college football’s iconic traditions. A succession of white horses named Traveler have followed — Traveler IX debuts this fall — trotting out of the tunnel as “Conquest” plays and the costumed Trojan warrior atop the horse waves a sword. But during a rally earlier this week to show solidarity in the aftermath of the violence in Charlottesville, Va., a USC campus group linked the name to Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee, whose favorite horse was Traveller.

    At the rally, according to the student newspaper the Daily Trojan, Saphia Jackson, co-director of the USC Black Student Assembly, asked students not to be quiet, and reminded that “white supremacy hits close to home” and referenced the name of the Trojans mascot.

    The Black Student Assembly did not respond to requests for comment, but questions about the name’s provenance have increased on social media in the midst of the national discussion on race.



    Saukko died in 1992, but his widow wasn’t surprised when a reporter called Friday.

    “The problem is this: maybe three weeks ago it was fine,” Pat Saukko DeBernardi said. “So now the flavor of the day is . . . we all have to be in hysteria. . . . It’s more of a political issue. The horse isn’t political and neither am I.”

    She noted that the name of Lee’s well-known horse included an extra “l” and, besides, Traveler was already named when her late husband purchased him for $5,000 in 1958, half the asking price. The horse was a fixture in movies like “Snowfire” and “The Ballad of a Gunfighter.”

    more at link...

  10. #218
    LOL

    Because this nation has no problems that can't be solved by beating a dead white horse.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We believe our lying eyes...

  11. #219

    Morris Dees calls Confederate flag part of his heritage... in 1989

    ...but then we already knew he was a hypocrite.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLc6bubVYD0#t=1m10s

    @ 1:15

  12. #220
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Lee had a Horse?!!! EXTERMINATE HORSES!!!!!
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  13. #221
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    LOL

    Because this nation has no problems that can't be solved by beating a dead white horse.
    Hahahahaha!

    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to acptulsa again.

    Somebody cover me please, that was precious.

  14. #222
    Trump is guilty of exploiting racial biases and to an extent even of cultivating it... taking a page from last DGP's regime masters. But many of his critics in media are blatant hypocrites and their varnished lukewarm practical racism sustained ffor decades has so far proven to be far more deadly for humanity.

    Vast majority of media owners' employees are not asking important questions that would expose past and present violent racism/slavery/oppression against humans of different races by focussing narrowly on more entertaining battle of symbols, such questions need to be raised still. There also seems to be complete rejection of the notion that there may be many Americans who are not racist and oppose removal of all controversial historic statues. And that there could be violent racism enablers on "many sides".

    1. How many of the so called "antifa" supported US taxpeyrs funded removal of Saddam's Statue in Iraq and violent militant spreading of our freedom/racial equality values to Iraq, Libya, Syria that has killed/maimed/displaced millions of people of different races?





    2. How many of the "antifa" accepted/tolerated/remained silent in thr face of drone ganastaism of recent years that killed thousands of children (including many underage children) of other races?

    At least there was some principled consistency visible when some 1960s antifascists like boxer Ali went to prison for refusing to to join freedom spreading to people of Vietnam.

    3. How many of the "antifa" today view disgraced DGP as a political slave of violent racist war mongering lobbies?
    How many of them support removing any remaining statues of DGP in the US?
    Or they will remain silent now and start that drive a century later on first come-first serve basis of justice delayed?



    4. How many of "antifa" believe that supporting ISIS is a deeply racist strategy?






    Related


    Do you believe there is widespread political slavery in the US election system?

    Let's remove symbols of past slavery AND current forms of slavery.

    Would any remaining statues of violent racial lobbies' political slaves would have to go too under such an abundantly free regime?

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    The Telegraph




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    Noecon Henry Kissinger supports ISIS










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  15. #223
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Hahahahaha!

    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to acptulsa again.

    Somebody cover me please, that was precious.
    Well, I'm truly pleased that you liked it, anyway.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We believe our lying eyes...

  16. #224
    Now they go after 'sacred ground' monuments far removed from courthouse lawns.

    Lawmakers urge removal of Robert E. Lee statue at Antietam

    Amid the national firestorm over Civil War monuments, Maryland lawmakers are pressing the National Park Service to remove a statue of Robert E. Lee that some view as an egregious attempt to sanitize Confederate history.

    And key House Democrats are threatening legislation if the Park Service won’t act on its own to take down the statue at Antietam National Battlefield, site of the bloodiest single-day battle in U.S. history.

    “The history of this piece, which now resides on this sacred ground, certainly makes it clear it was recently erected by a private citizen out of pro-Confederacy enthusiasm and not to provide historical context or under the direction of a battlefield historian,” said Democratic Rep. John Delaney, whose congressional district includes Sharpsburg, where the 1862 battle took place. “I don’t think that taxpayer resources should serve that end.”

    The congressman said the statue “should be taken down” and vowed to “review what legislative proposals already exist in that regard and proceed accordingly.”

    Added House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer, dean of the Maryland congressional delegation: “Congress must exhaust all legislative options and act to remove these statues where appropriate.”

    Maryland's two Democratic senators, Ben Cardin and Chris Van Hollen, have reached out to the Congressional Research Service and the Park Service for more information about the Lee statue, according to Cardin spokeswoman Sue Walitsky. Cardin voiced support this week for separate efforts in Baltimore to remove Confederate statues in the city.

    Lawmakers and historians say the Lee statue at Antietam is not a piece of history but a recent attempt by an eccentric Maryland millionaire, William F. Chaney, to rewrite Confederate history and Lee's own views.

    Chaney outbid the Park Service for land adjacent to Antietam, and in 2003 erected a giant statue of Lee sitting atop his horse. Chaney later sold the land to the federal government — including the statue of Lee, who he claimed was his ancestor, complete with a plaque offering a whitewashed take on the Confederate commander’s views.

    Lee “was personally against secession and slavery,” the plaque reads, “but decided his duty was to fight for his home and the universal right of every people to self-determination.”

    While Lee wrote an 1861 letter expressing opposition to secession, he clearly supported it with his actions. He turned down an offer to lead Union troops and instead joined the Confederacy, becoming the chief military commander in a four-year rebellion that would claim more American lives than any war before or since.


    (The plaque 'whitewashes' absolutely nothing. Those were his views. Period. He fought for his home state because in those days people had greater loyalty to their State than they did to the Union and he did not wish to fight against his neighbors. The Union, after all, was made up of these several states and were supposed to be limited in it's scope by them. P4P)

    Lee's personal views on slavery are still debated fiercely. Defenders of Lee often point to a letter he wrote his wife calling slavery a "moral & political evil." Lee added, though, that slavery was "a greater evil to the white man than to the black race.” He ordered the beatings of his own slaves, some of whom he freed in 1862. Lee also oversaw a Confederate army that captured escaped slaves and put them to work or returned them to their former masters. Confederate commanders under Lee treated black prisoners of war with unique cruelty, refusing to consider them legitimate Union soldiers and sometimes executing them on the spot.

    Chaney could not be reached for comment. In 2003, he told The Washington Times he erected the statue to correct what he saw as an imbalance between Union and Confederate statues at Antietam. There are 96 monuments on Park Service property there, the vast majority of which honor the Union.

    “It represents all the Southern boys who fought on the bloodiest day in American history,” Chaney said at the time. “They need to be represented, too.”
    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...ntietam-241788



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  18. #225
    Lee added, though, that slavery was "a greater evil to the white man than to the black race.”
    Hard to argue with that, in retrospect.

  19. #226
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Hard to argue with that, in retrospect.
    Lee was a forward thinking man for his time period. He had the great respect of his contemporaries on the side of the North and South. This excoriation of him in the media and in education makes exactly my point when I say "This is nothing other than a revision of history that going on."

  20. #227
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Lee was a forward thinking man for his time period. He had the great respect of his contemporaries on the side of the North and South. This excoriation of him in the media and in education makes exactly my point when I say "This is nothing other than a revision of history that going on."
    Even worse than a "revision" it's ramping up into wholesale destruction and "memory holing" of giant portions of it.

  21. #228
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Lee was a forward thinking man for his time period. He had the great respect of his contemporaries on the side of the North and South. This excoriation of him in the media and in education makes exactly my point when I say "This is nothing other than a revision of history that going on."
    History is always written by the winners.

    Most Americans have no real clue of any real US history.

    The Civil War was about slavery
    The North had no slaves
    Only blacks were slaves
    Lincoln freed the slaves
    Indians were savages
    Columbus discovered America
    WWI was because Germany was the bad guy
    And so on and so forth
    Etc, etc, etc.........
    There is no spoon.

  22. #229
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Hahahahaha!

    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to acptulsa again.

    Somebody cover me please, that was precious.
    Covered!
    There is no spoon.

  23. #230
    Vandals BEHEAD Confederate soldier statue in Ohio cemetery

    A Confederate soldier statue in an Ohio cemetery was beheaded by vandals early Tuesday.

    Police say the monument of a solider at Camp Chase Confederate Cemetery in Columbus had its head knocked off and stolen.

    The vandals appeared to have climbed on an arched memorial and toppled the statue atop the monument.

    The soldier's head and hat were knocked off and police reported the vandals took the head but left the hat.
    Police say the vandalism occurred at the cemetery where around 2,000 soldiers are buried.


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4qakQspQE
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  24. #231
    Man arrested on suspicion of bomb plot to destroy Confederate statue

    Police have charged 25-year-old Andrew Schneck with attempting to maliciously damage property

    A 25-year-old man has been arrested in Houston for allegedly attempting to plant a bomb near a local Confederate monument.

    The Houston FBI announced on Monday that they had arrested Andrew Schneck in connection with an incident in front of the General Richard Dowling Monument in Hermann Park two days before.

    Mr Schneck is believed to have been carrying items capable of producing a viable explosive device. He has been charged with attempting to maliciously damage or destroy property.

    Officials say a Houston park ranger caught Mr Schneck kneeling near the statue of the Confederate general on Saturday. Prosecutors claim he was carrying two boxes with duct tape and wires, and a bottle with liquid that could be used to make explosives.

    Officials conducted a raid on a Houston home on Sunday, bringing in tools often used to handle homemade bombs. In a press conference on Monday, police confirmed they were attempting to recover "significant hazardous materials".

    Sources told local news station KPRC2 that authorities had searched the same house four years before, looking for materials that could be used to make nerve gas or tear gas. Less than a year later, Mr Shneck, who lived in the house with his parents, was convicted for improper storage of explosive material. He was sentenced to five years of probation and a $159,000 fine.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7905646.html

  25. #232
    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    Dang,Goodwin's Law came into effect pretty quick last night, didn't it? Well done, comrade.
    All that shows is your ignorance of Goodwin's Law. It doesn't apply when the subject at hand is nazis. And the subject at hand is neo nazis protesting about a confederate statue. You lost the internet today buddy.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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  27. #233
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    All that shows is your ignorance of Goodwin's Law. It doesn't apply when the subject at hand is nazis. And the subject at hand is neo nazis protesting about a confederate statue. You lost the internet today buddy.
    What is Goodwin's law?
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's a balance between appeasing his supporters, appeasing the deep state and reaching his own goals.
    ~Resident Badgiraffe




  28. #234
    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    What is Goodwin's law?
    Godwin
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  29. #235
    take Tecumseh down before Lee. He was a war criminal IMO.

  30. #236
    Quote Originally Posted by liveandletlive View Post
    take Tecumseh down before Lee. He was a war criminal IMO.
    Do you mean William Tecumseh Sherman? OR Tecumseh?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  31. #237
    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    What is Goodwin's law?
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Godwin
    Sorry for the misspelling. heavenlyboy rubbed off on me.
    Last edited by jmdrake; 08-24-2017 at 06:00 AM.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  32. #238
    //
    Last edited by jmdrake; 08-24-2017 at 05:59 AM.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  33. #239
    Hey, why do the good looking monuments always fall first, and not the post-modern-looking sheeyte nobody likes? (Nathan Bedford Forrest shot in the leg, his dentures popping out)


  34. #240
    Thought : could the monuments being targeted by vandals be insured? Could damaged monument policies doled to the fed/state/Uni's be links in a bribe loop? We won't need to upkeep the monuments either, if they're completely taken down. This is one of the way mafia bosses bought politicians.

    Reminds me of a story I read a while ago. There was a company w/ a terrorism policy that rented space in WTC. There never was a criminal investigation, the insurance provider took their claim to court, but the judge dismissed the case and the company got their policy.



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