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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I think they usually keep it secret so they can't be accused of tainting the jury pool.
    I wonder when the next court date will be, next summer maybe?



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  3. #512

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I wonder when the next court date will be, next summer maybe?
    I would guess they want to arrange it so they get peak outrage just in time for the mid-terms.
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    99.9999999999% of prosecutors care about nothing but their conviction rate.

    It's highly unlikely that the prosecutor is trying to do anything other than convict (or get a plea).
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    99.9999999999% of prosecutors care about nothing but their conviction rate.

    It's highly unlikely that the prosecutor is trying to do anything other than convict (or get a plea).
    That's kinda what I figured, until you said it, now I'm not so sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    That's kinda what I figured, until you said it, now I'm not so sure.
    One article said the only thing the defense attorney did was cross examine one witness. She asked the officer who arrested Fields what Field's reaction was when he was told he killed someone. That's it. No mention of the car being struck. That seems weird to me.

  7. #516

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    Has the defendant testified (or is there word that he's planning to testify)?
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    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Has the defendant testified (or is there word that he's planning to testify)?
    "Fields maintained he feared for his life at the Downtown Mall crossing, and hit the accelerator in panic"


    The judge certified the charge of hit and run? I'm not sure what the point was of the hearing today. That's obviously a bogus charge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    "Fields maintained he feared for his life at the Downtown Mall crossing, and hit the accelerator in panic"

    The judge certified the charge of hit and run? I'm not sure what the point was of the hearing today. That's obviously a bogus charge.
    I haven't been following this at all...

    So, the trial hasn't actually started, they're still in pre-trial hearings?
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    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    I haven't been following this at all...

    So, the trial hasn't actually started, they're still in pre-trial hearings?
    Today was the first.. not very speedy, Gonzales.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    One article said the only thing the defense attorney did was cross examine one witness. She asked the officer who arrested Fields what Field's reaction was when he was told he killed someone. That's it. No mention of the car being struck. That seems weird to me.
    One of the articles mentioned that his public defender attorney is related to one of the people he hit. that seems weird to me.

  12. #521

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    I haven't been following this at all...

    So, the trial hasn't actually started, they're still in pre-trial hearings?
    The hearing previous to today's was in August.

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    Okay, so Google tells me the trial hasn't started, hasn't even been an indictment yet.

    I'll check back in when the Nazi *** is closer to his comeuppance.
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

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    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post

    I'm confused about something. Shouldn't the news reports tell the evidence the state has to charge him with 1st degree murder or is it a secret?
    The defense has the right to see the evidence, but the public doesn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Okay, so Google tells me the trial hasn't started, hasn't even been an indictment yet.

    I'll check back in when the Nazi *** is closer to his comeuppance.
    We should just skip the trial and hang him for being a Nazi. /s

    Ironically the Nazis and the BLMs should get along great, they have a lot in common. They're both socialists.
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  16. #525

    Default 12/14/17 - preliminary hearing

    Yesterday was a "preliminary hearing" and according to the memorandum:
    …cases will be presented to a regular grand jury of the Charlottesville Circuit Court on Monday, December 18, 2017 at 9:30 am. Further proceedings will be scheduled at that time...
    The charges are now:

    1 felony count of hit and run
    5 felony counts of malicious wounding
    3 felony counts of aggravated malicious wounding and
    1 felony count of first degree murder

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    The defense has the right to see the evidence, but the public doesn't.
    That's sounds accurate, it's just that in other recent, highly controversial racial cases (Jena 6, Duke Lacrosse, Zimmerman, Michael Brown) it seemed like we were getting hourly updates on new evidence. This one is incredibly secretive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    99.9999999999% of prosecutors care about nothing but their conviction rate.

    It's highly unlikely that the prosecutor is trying to do anything other than convict (or get a plea).
    Ummm... Unless said prosecutor knows there's no way he's getting a conviction for murder in this case.

    In that case, he has an incentive to raise the charges to 1st degree to make it seem as though he was trying to throw the book at the guy. Then, he can blame the jury or his own over-zeal for the loss instead of the evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Ummm... Unless said prosecutor knows there's no way he's getting a conviction for murder in this case.

    In that case, he has an incentive to raise the charges to 1st degree to make it seem as though he was trying to throw the book at the guy. Then, he can blame the jury or his own over-zeal for the loss instead of the evidence.
    I'm not sure the reason, but the media and prosecution have a really bad record in these cases. If you look at the evidence we've seen in this case objectively, you'd have to conclude there's a decent possibility he's innocent. I think anybody who is 100% positive he's innocent or guilty has some major bias either way.

  20. #529

    Default Charlottesville Police Chief has resigned

    Police Chief Alfred Thomas resigned today.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.4e69b623f942

    Charlottesville police chief resigns in wake of report on white supremacist rally
    By Joe Heim December 18

    Charlottesville Police Chief Alfred Thomas resigned abruptly Monday, just 17 days after the release of a report that was highly critical of the Police Department’s handling of an August white supremacist rally that turned deadly in the Virginia city.

    The 207-page report prepared by Timothy Heaphy, a former U.S. attorney for the Western District of Virginia, concluded that the Police Department was ill-prepared, lacked proper training and had a flawed plan for managing the Unite the Right rally that drew hundreds of neo-Nazis and white nationalists to Charlottesville on Aug. 12 and resulted in violent clashes with counterprotesters. The lack of adequate preparation led to “disastrous results,” Heaphy wrote.

    Thomas, an Air Force veteran who previously was chief of the Lexington, Va., Police Department, had led the Charlottesville agency only since May 2016. He was the city’s first black police chief.... (more)

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.4e69b623f942

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    Police Chief Alfred Thomas resigned today.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.4e69b623f942
    Let's wait and see who is next employer is. Follow the money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Okay, so Google tells me the trial hasn't started, hasn't even been an indictment yet.

    I'll check back in when the Nazi *** is closer to his comeuppance.
    Is he closer now? Has your programmed outrage been assuaged? No need for a trial. It's heads on pikes without trial!!!!

    You're about as close to a progressive as it comes.
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    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    Police Chief Alfred Thomas resigned today.
    This can't be right. According to this the trial date is set for Nov 26! So he's already going to have sat in jail for a year and a half before the trial even starts????


    http://www.newsplex.com/content/news...467899263.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    99.9999999999% of prosecutors care about nothing but their conviction rate.

    It's highly unlikely that the prosecutor is trying to do anything other than convict (or get a plea).
    Fun fact: Every case where a prosecutor does not secure any conviction, the costs of the case are paid by the prosecutor out of a trust fund they must maintain. IOW, the prosecutor holds all of the financial liability of the case unless and until it can be transferred to you via a conviction. This is why conviction rates, regardless of the level of charge (charge is a financial term!), is a prosecutor's priority. They don't want to foot the bill for the case if they can't get you to pay the costs.
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    According to this article he waived his right to a speedy trial. That makes more sense but it still seems weird that he would agree to stay in jail for a year and a half. Unless they let him out on bail, but I thought bail was denied.

    http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/lo...ff49a1576.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Fun fact: Every case where a prosecutor does not secure any conviction, the costs of the case are paid by the prosecutor out of a trust fund they must maintain. IOW, the prosecutor holds all of the financial liability of the case unless and until it can be transferred to you via a conviction. This is why conviction rates, regardless of the level of charge (charge is a financial term!), is a prosecutor's priority. They don't want to foot the bill for the case if they can't get you to pay the costs.
    I'm assuming that's only for criminal cases?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    According to this article he waived his right to a speedy trial. That makes more sense but it still seems weird that he would agree to stay in jail for a year and a half. Unless they let him out on bail, but I thought bail was denied.

    http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/lo...ff49a1576.html
    Almost an entire year before the trial starts? Yeah, seems way too long.
    And why would he "waive his right to a speedy trial"? Are there any circumstances where that might make sense?
    Odd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    Almost an entire year before the trial starts? Yeah, seems way too long.
    And why would he "waive his right to a speedy trial"? Are there any circumstances where that might make sense?
    Odd.
    The article claims both sides need that much time to prepare.. $#@! man, we already had the case cracked and all the evidence in the first few days..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I'm assuming that's only for criminal cases?
    Good question. The vast majority of civil suits don't involve a government (corporation) prosecutor so the costs are generally the responsibility of the parties (exceptions being frivolous cases or agreement by settlement/judgment). It is worth noting that cases like traffic violations are actually civil contract cases. Most cases alleging "victimless crimes" are also civil contract cases though they are presented as being "criminal".
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  30. #539

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    Almost an entire year before the trial starts? Yeah, seems way too long.
    And why would he "waive his right to a speedy trial"? Are there any circumstances where that might make sense?
    Odd.
    Not to mention it's already been 5 months since the incident occurred. It doesn't say whether he's out on bail, that's the only thing that would make sense. He was denied bail in the beginning, but I don't know if that can change. The whole thing is fishy and I'm about the most non-conspiracy person here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    The article claims both sides need that much time to prepare.. $#@! man, we already had the case cracked and all the evidence in the first few days..
    Kinda sounds like Las Vegas case time schedules. . .

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