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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Black pants, green shirt...

    Gotta love the fed in the periscope comments..

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    Is this Heather Heyer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The mother said "instantly", but that is not reflected by video after the accident. She was sitting up after being pulled off the car. I'd chalk the "instantly" claim by the mother up to a something probably told to her to make her feel better, and she wants to believe it.

    It will come out eventually at trial. Video of her sitting up after the accident will make prosecution even more difficult. Absent any other major injuries, the defense could claim that she died of a heart attack after the crash. Obviously she wouldn't be dead without the crash occurring, but this could effect prosecution.
    I don't think that's Heather Heyer (the one in the green shirt who went over the hood of the car.)
    I think Heather was the one who was having CPR performed on her. She was in all black and had a braid in her hair?
    Not positive.
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    The minivan was staged at the intersection location for 5 minutes. Footage was captured of a fat woman (possibly Heyer herself, dunno) sitting in the minivan driver's seat doing nothing then exiting the van a minute before the impact. Collision was 100% planned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    The minivan was staged at the intersection location for 5 minutes. Footage was captured of a fat woman (possibly Heyer herself, dunno) sitting in the minivan driver's seat doing nothing then exiting the van a minute before the impact. Collision was 100% planned.
    Yeah, I've seen those videos. IMHO, the people in the van were there to gawk at the protest.

    The van being there for a while is not proof of anything in particular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Yeah, I've seen those videos. IMHO, the people in the van were there to gawk at the protest.

    The van being there for a while is not proof of anything in particular.
    Why didn't they park on the curb?
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    Has anyone seen any videos or pictures showing Heyer in the green top that day prior to the crash? Everything I have seen is like the picture I posted above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Why didn't they park on the curb?
    You'd have to ask the driver. Maybe there was no parking at the curb at the end of the street. People double park or stop in the road all the time, for their personal convenience. Maybe she wanted to stop traffic on that street for the benefit of the protesters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southron View Post


    Is this Heather Heyer?
    She looks older and heavier, but you never know. The media and officials haven't made it very clear.

    Should come out at trial time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    You'd have to ask the driver. Maybe there was no parking at the curb at the end of the street. People double park or stop in the road all the time, for their personal convenience. Maybe she wanted to stop traffic on that street for the benefit of the protesters.
    No, there was room to park. There were cars going around them to their right, where they should have been parked, not many, but at least one or two and the black truck was trying to go around them when the crowd got too thick and they got stuck. But it was completely clear to go, they were in the middle of the cross walk, 5 minutes earlier.. It made no sense. The only thing I could figure is their car broke down.
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    You know what I find curious ?

    Brennan Gilmore . . . the guy whos video was posted up all across MSM and who seemingly was the poster boy for Charlottesville.

    What he worked for, the State Department ?

    And also Governors right hand man leading up to his election ?

    And according to the reports that were not scrubbed the day of the "event" show his role in Africa was instigating strife between Muslim and Christians .

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    Quote Originally Posted by PursuePeace View Post
    I don't think that's Heather Heyer (the one in the green shirt who went over the hood of the car.)
    I think Heather was the one who was having CPR performed on her. She was in all black and had a braid in her hair?
    Not positive.
    Usually when there's a manslaughter or homicide - death of any kind, really - the media gobble up any pictures they can, as a way of pleading for our attention. I don't ever watch the news, but I haven't read a single article describing her, nor seen any photos of Heather Heyer, and if there's simple disagreement over her appearance a month later, then this $#@!-story's likely phony. Phony like all the outrage, phony like all the groups involved, phony as American media itself. I can understand why cable news won't broadcast Heather - she looks like a beached whale, and the media want beautiful martyrs - but that's no issue for print and online articles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    If it was a setup, it sure as hell was complicated. First they had to get Jason Kessler to work undercover to form a bogus Unite the Right movement. Then they had to put out ads in Charlotte (not Charlottesville) to hire actors? Then the mayor of Charlottesville denied the request to have the protest which makes no sense since he was supposed to be in on the conspiracy. So then they would've had to pay off the judge to overrule the mayor. Then they got the mayor to instruct the police to have the two sides merge together which is risky because it could've easily been an Antifa attacking an Alt Right guy and backfiring. That means the police chief was probably in on it also. Then they had to get a driver which means they had to find someone who was willing to get the death penalty or get life in prison. Not sure why they would've had the flagpole guy hit the car in advance, seems like taking a big chance on self defense. Why didn't the driver just zoom down the street and kill a bunch of people?

    Why stage an incredibly complicated setup, exposing yourself to all kinds of leaks, since lots of people would have to be in on it, for such a risky minimal payoff?

    If they could get one guy for a suicide mission all they need to do was have him march with the Alt Right, take out a gun and shoot a bunch of counter protesters. That would be orders of magnitude more efficient than that cockamamie conspiracy theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Usually when there's a manslaughter or homicide - death of any kind, really - the media gobble up any pictures they can, as a way of pleading for our attention. I don't ever watch the news, but I haven't read a single article describing her, nor seen any photos of Heather Heyer, and if there's simple disagreement over her appearance a month later, then this $#@!-story's likely phony. Phony like all the outrage, phony like all the groups involved, phony as American media itself. I can understand why cable news won't broadcast Heather - she looks like a beached whale, and the media want beautiful martyrs - but that's no issue for print and online articles.
    And what about the officers that supposedly died in chopper crash, no follow up story ?

    Seriously something is $#@!ed with this whole thing. . .

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    What about the people who hit the car with bats/whatever?
    When he put the car in reverse... it was right after someone came up to the passenger side and started beating the window with a bat.
    Then right after putting it in reverse, someone busted his rear window. That thing went right through the window, seems like it may have been a metal pipe, maybe?

    Where are those people?
    Have they been investigated, I wonder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PursuePeace View Post
    Where are those people?
    Have they been investigated, I wonder.


    just say'n...
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    " more to the picture, than meets the eye. "

    thanks to Neil Young for the on-topic bump

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    so, could this completely shoddy storyline and lack of comprehensive coverage be due to their unpreparedness ?

    what if they were expecting a much bigger story, namely a group of open-carry folks firing on people that were attacking them ?

    could tptb have been banking on gun confiscation to prevent a race war that they tried to instigate ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PursuePeace View Post
    What about the people who hit the car with bats/whatever?
    When he put the car in reverse... it was right after someone came up to the passenger side and started beating the window with a bat.
    Then right after putting it in reverse, someone busted his rear window. That thing went right through the window, seems like it may have been a metal pipe, maybe?

    Where are those people?
    Have they been investigated, I wonder.
    Just to set the record straight I think the idea that this was a big setup conspiracy is a bunch of silly crap. However, the actual murder case is very interesting to me. The amazing thing to me is that the initial hearing for the trial got delayed until Dec. 15 and even that information was almost impossible for me to find. I had to search the local Charlottesville news to find it. So the driver is stuck in jail, basically a political prisoner, until the trial, which appears to be at least 5 or 6 months away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Just to set the record straight I think the idea that this was a big setup conspiracy is a bunch of silly crap. However, the actual murder case is very interesting to me. The amazing thing to me is that the initial hearing for the trial got delayed until Dec. 15 and even that information was almost impossible for me to find. I had to search the local Charlottesville news to find it. So the driver is stuck in jail, basically a political prisoner, until the trial, which appears to be at least 5 or 6 months away.
    I'd just like to know more details. What happened after he reversed and got out of there? Did he keep going? Did the police chase him down? Did he stop or did he run? Because I'm not seeing how he can be charged with hit-and-run if he were fleeing an angry mob bent on harming him. This whole thing is just a huge mess. So many questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    She looks older and heavier, but you never know. The media and officials haven't made it very clear.

    Should come out at trial time.
    Pretty sure that's her.

    Fast Forward to about 5:25.
    You see her friends, as well. (The guy and his fiancee that have been interviewed several times.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PursuePeace View Post
    I'd just like to know more details. What happened after he reversed and got out of there? Did he keep going? Did the police chase him down? Did he stop or did he run? Because I'm not seeing how he can be charged with hit-and-run if he were fleeing an angry mob bent on harming him. This whole thing is just a huge mess. So many questions.
    I agree. The media spent about .00001% of it's time on the details of the case and 99.99999% of it's time on the Trump Angle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I agree. The media spent about .00001% of it's time on the details of the case and 99.99999% of it's time on the Trump Angle.
    Exactly.

    What are the facts? Instead we get emotion, propaganda and division. (as always.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by PursuePeace View Post
    Pretty sure that's her.

    Fast Forward to about 5:25.
    You see her friends, as well. (The guy and his fiancee that have been interviewed several times.)

    If that is her, and she was not touched by the cars at all but just died of a heart attack, they won't be able to make any form of murder charge stick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Just to set the record straight I think the idea that this was a big setup conspiracy is a bunch of silly crap. However, the actual murder case is very interesting to me. The amazing thing to me is that the initial hearing for the trial got delayed until Dec. 15 and even that information was almost impossible for me to find. I had to search the local Charlottesville news to find it. So the driver is stuck in jail, basically a political prisoner, until the trial, which appears to be at least 5 or 6 months away.
    Too many shenanigans to deny.

    Even if you discount it 50% that is still a lot of shenanigans.
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    Why has the trial been pushed back so far? So they can create evidence?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southron View Post
    Why has the trial been pushed back so far? So they can create evidence?
    My guess is they know he may be acquitted and they want to wait until people forget about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesiv1 View Post
    Too many shenanigans to deny.

    Even if you discount it 50% that is still a lot of shenanigans.
    How do you know it wasn't the alt right setting it up to make it look like an alt left setup.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    How do you know it wasn't the alt right setting it up to make it look like an alt left setup.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Perfect!

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