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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    If this kid is truly a bubba racist I really can't see him using his Dodge Challenger for the deed. If he had planned this out he would have found an old pickup truck. I live in the South and if someone has a muscle car, they sure aren't going to do anything intentional to damage it...

    I'm going to believe that someone attacked his car and he tried to get out of there by hitting the gas...
    totally this^^

    If he had been on a suicide mission (or a don't care if I'm caught mission) then sure, who cares about the car.

    But that guy (whoever it was) backed out of there with intent and forethought. So why would he trash his chick-mobile? He wouldn't, that's why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    If this kid is truly a bubba racist I really can't see him using his Dodge Challenger for the deed. If he had planned this out he would have found an old pickup truck. I live in the South and if someone has a muscle car, they sure aren't going to do anything intentional to damage it...

    I'm going to believe that someone attacked his car and he tried to get out of there by hitting the gas...
    Evidence in this thread seems to indicate less possibility of it being self-defense, but I am not taking it off the table because I don't know why he circled around, or allegedly arrived at the scene over a minute early, or what happened in between all that. Maybe there were road blocks, protesters, police lines or checkpoints that made him circle around who knows.. but it sure does add some twists to the whole thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Horse_Rider View Post
    Lots of truth hidden in this thread. . . also lots of very crucial ( hopefully not forgotten ) questions raised.
    Unfortunately for the man driving the car, I don't think the truth matters at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunkBuddha View Post
    Unfortunately for the man driving the car, I don't think the truth matters at this point.
    Yup. He's stuck in jail with no bail and they delayed his hearing for 3 months! So much for the right to a speedy trial. The politics of this case are more important.

    "Prosecutors and the attorney for James Alex Fields Jr. filed a motion asking a judge to set Dec. 14 as the date for a preliminary hearing."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Evidence in this thread seems to indicate less possibility of it being self-defense, but I am not taking it off the table because I don't know why he circled around, or allegedly arrived at the scene over a minute early, or what happened in between all that. Maybe there were road blocks, protesters, police lines or checkpoints that made him circle around who knows.. but it sure does add some twists to the whole thing.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ged-Livestream
    One of the many problems with that "theory" is that the driver would've had to basically commit suicide since he knew he'd be going to jail for life or maybe even getting the death penalty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    One of the many problems with that "theory" is that the driver would've had to basically commit suicide since he knew he'd be going to jail for life or maybe even getting the death penalty.
    Unless he had deep state sponsors who promised to fake his death or incarceration and give him a new identity.

    Note: I don't know if this is true, we may never know.
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    Will be interesting to see how he unpacks this one.

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    The duct-tape medics are a nice touch lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsat_98 View Post
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    From ZeroHedge:





    MarsInScorpio MisterMousePotato Aug 30, 2017 12:24 AM
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    Virginia and New York, as do many other states and localities, have a statute against wearing a mask in public except under certain precise circumstances. Breaking the Virginia statute is a Class 6 Felony. These laws were passed to end the practice of the KKK wearing its hoods.
    The Antifa Black Shirts committed a Class 6 Felony by wearing masks in Charlottesville. Because this is a felony violation, police are obligated to order them to remove the masks, or begin making arrests immediately.
    Law enforcement officers do not have the choice to stand down in the witness of a felony. Except for special circumstances that do not apply in the Charlottesville incident (drug stings, infiltrating criminal organizations, and so on), it is illegal for LEOs to witness a felony and do nothing to stop the felony and arrest the perpetrator of the felony.
    Had the Virginia statute been vigorously enforced, it's reasonable to believe there would've been no violence in Charlottesville because so many Antifa would have either disbursed, or been arrested - unable to commit their violence.
    Just as with the Klan, the mask empowers the Antifas to commit violent crimes without concern about being identified and prosecuted.
    In addition , it's likely the mayor committed two felonies in ordering the police to stand down: 1) He facilitated the commission of a felony by allowing the Antifas to wear their masks in violation of the statute, and 2) he obstructed justice by interfering in the execution of the statute. His order was never an option; he made himself criminally liable by issuing his illegal order - which, because it is an illegal order, the police are legally obligated to ignore.
    It's time for a national law modeled on the Virginia and New York statutes. Take away the masks, and you'll see a tremendous reduction in violence, just as it did to the Klan-violence when the laws were enacted.
    BTW, these laws have been tested and were found constitutional because they address ending violence, terror, fear, and anarchy in society.
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    ^^^^^^^^^^
    It's time for a national law modeled on the Virginia and New York statutes. Take away the masks, and you'll see a tremendous reduction in violence, just as it did to the Klan-violence when the laws were enacted.
    BTW, these laws have been tested and were found constitutional because they address ending violence, terror, fear, and anarchy in society.
    Err, what? No thanks. Big Brother reverse psychology tactic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    ^^^^^^^^^^


    Err, what? No thanks. Big Brother reverse psychology tactic.
    To clarify I am not in favor of a new federal law, I posted this because it shows leftist privilege in the enforcement of the laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Unless he had deep state sponsors who promised to fake his death or incarceration and give him a new identity.

    Note: I don't know if this is true, we may never know.
    If it was a setup, it sure as hell was complicated. First they had to get Jason Kessler to work undercover to form a bogus Unite the Right movement. Then they had to put out ads in Charlotte (not Charlottesville) to hire actors? Then the mayor of Charlottesville denied the request to have the protest which makes no sense since he was supposed to be in on the conspiracy. So then they would've had to pay off the judge to overrule the mayor. Then they got the mayor to instruct the police to have the two sides merge together which is risky because it could've easily been an Antifa attacking an Alt Right guy and backfiring. That means the police chief was probably in on it also. Then they had to get a driver which means they had to find someone who was willing to get the death penalty or get life in prison. Not sure why they would've had the flagpole guy hit the car in advance, seems like taking a big chance on self defense. Why didn't the driver just zoom down the street and kill a bunch of people?

    Why stage an incredibly complicated setup, exposing yourself to all kinds of leaks, since lots of people would have to be in on it, for such a risky minimal payoff?

    If they could get one guy for a suicide mission all they need to do was have him march with the Alt Right, take out a gun and shoot a bunch of counter protesters. That would be orders of magnitude more efficient than that cockamamie conspiracy theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    If it was a setup, it sure as hell was complicated. First they had to get Jason Kessler to work undercover to form a bogus Unite the Right movement. Then they had to put out ads in Charlotte (not Charlottesville) to hire actors? Then the mayor of Charlottesville denied the request to have the protest which makes no sense since he was supposed to be in on the conspiracy. So then they would've had to pay off the judge to overrule the mayor. Then they got the mayor to instruct the police to have the two sides merge together which is risky because it could've easily been an Antifa attacking an Alt Right guy and backfiring. That means the police chief was probably in on it also. Then they had to get a driver which means they had to find someone who was willing to get the death penalty or get life in prison. Not sure why they would've had the flagpole guy hit the car in advance, seems like taking a big chance on self defense. Why didn't the driver just zoom down the street and kill a bunch of people?

    Why stage an incredibly complicated setup, exposing yourself to all kinds of leaks, since lots of people would have to be in on it, for such a risky minimal payoff?

    If they could get one guy for a suicide mission all they need to do was have him march with the Alt Right, take out a gun and shoot a bunch of counter protesters. That would be orders of magnitude more efficient than that cockamamie conspiracy theory.
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    Heather Heyer died of a heart attack. I can't believe I haven't seen this anywhere. Here is her mother admitting just this.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/video/heathe...-1028340803735
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southron View Post
    Heather Heyer died of a heart attack. I can't believe I haven't seen this anywhere. Here is her mother admitting just this.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/video/heathe...-1028340803735
    Wow, so she could have died the next day after seeing a spider on the wall in her bathroom?

    Did the car strike her? Were there any other injuries?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Wow, so she could have died the next day after seeing a spider on the wall in her bathroom?

    Did the car strike her? Were there any other injuries?
    She was very obese. She is wearing black and I haven't seen any footage of her actually getting struck by the car, though I think someone says she has a leg injury in one video.
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    How the hell are they gonna prove 2nd degree murder if she died of a heart attack? Or even manslaughter?

    I've seen a video of someone performing chest compressions on her. It's entirely possible that if she was unconscious and not already in cardiac arrest, that the chest compressions could have triggered the heart attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southron View Post
    Heather Heyer died of a heart attack. I can't believe I haven't seen this anywhere. Here is her mother admitting just this.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/video/heathe...-1028340803735
    Maybe she meant "cardiac arrest"? Theyre often confused. While cardiac arrest can be caused by a heart attack, it can also be triggered by some trauma - like no oxygen to the brain, or too much blood loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southron View Post
    Heather Heyer died of a heart attack. I can't believe I haven't seen this anywhere. Here is her mother admitting just this.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/video/heathe...-1028340803735
    They are sweeping that under the rug.

    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    Maybe she meant "cardiac arrest"? Theyre often confused. While cardiac arrest can be caused by a heart attack, it can also be triggered by some trauma - like no oxygen to the brain, or too much blood loss.
    She said her daughter died instantly from the heart attack. That would indicate not enough time for blood loss.

    Perhaps this is the reason they have delayed the hearing and trial for the driver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    She said her daughter died instantly from the heart attack. That would indicate not enough time for blood loss.

    Perhaps this is the reason they have delayed the hearing and trial for the driver.
    I thought she said that she had a heart attack at the scene of the accident, they revived her and took her to the hospital, then she died?

    Not sure what that means, I suppose it is possible she had cardiac arrest at the scene, they revived her and took her to the hospital and she died, but would be nice to get some clarification.. although they may be able to fabricate the clarification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Wow, so she could have died the next day after seeing a spider on the wall in her bathroom?

    Did the car strike her? Were there any other injuries?
    Quote Originally Posted by Southron View Post
    She was very obese. She is wearing black and I haven't seen any footage of her actually getting struck by the car, though I think someone says she has a leg injury in one video.
    Pretty sure she was hit by the car. She was thrown over the top of the second car and on to the hood. The impact probably caused the heart attack, but who knows how that will effect the charges?
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    Black pants, green shirt...

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    There is a bit of dark irony that they were chanting, "whose streets, our streets!" At the moment of impact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The mother said "instantly", but that is not reflected by video after the accident. She was sitting up after being pulled off the car. I'd chalk the "instantly" claim by the mother up to a something probably told to her to make her feel better, and she wants to believe it.

    It will come out eventually at trial. Video of her sitting up after the accident will make prosecution even more difficult. Absent any other major injuries, the defense could claim that she died of a heart attack after the crash. Obviously she wouldn't be dead without the crash occurring, but this could effect prosecution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Pretty sure she was hit by the car. She was thrown over the top of the second car and on to the hood. The impact probably caused the heart attack, but who knows how that will effect the charges?
    Can't tell cause that red flag is in the way, but it looks more like she may have been in front of the silver car and got thrown onto it when the Challenger hit the rear of the silver car and propelled it forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Can't tell cause that red flag is in the way, but it looks more like she may have been in front of the silver car and got thrown onto it when the Challenger hit the rear of the silver car and propelled it forward.
    There are other angles that show it more clearly.
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    Is the woman hit in the video the same as this woman? Just trying to figure out if the woman who went flying is in fact Heather Heyer or another woman.

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4a0_...541&comments=1
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