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    If you don't care to hear the MSM spin and want to watch from the alt-right angle the Baked Alaska's live stream is up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttM3_bqjHMo

    Also Red Elephant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aGuKz2bc58
    Last edited by phill4paul; 08-12-2017 at 10:17 AM.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.



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    It seems the police declared the permitted rally "unlawful" and forced removal from Emancipation park. The rally participants are headed to another location claiming they won't be silenced.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    All of them are Nazis?
    Chanting 'blood and soil!'


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    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    No. Couldn't be any of the white nationalists. They would never do a Nazi salute would they? Not something one of the rally headliners would do is it?

    I think a lot of that is to troll the media and liberals.
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    You do know that you [dannno] are a moron right?
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    I love Che because...
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    ...he did that which I was too cowardly afraid to do
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    Just for the record, 99% of the time I say "In my country........" I am actually messing with you people because I know you guys have absolutely no idea what happens in my country.

    Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!


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    Keep calling people Nazis and they tend to decide, "well, $#@! it, you're gonna call us Nazis might as well act like them".

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    This greatly undermines conservatism. $#@!ing retards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrokHead View Post
    This greatly undermines conservatism. $#@!ing retards.
    United hundreds if not thousands of young Conservatives to attend an in real life event. Everyone was well dressed and articulate. Showed Antifa to be the violent scum that they are and when Antifa attacked we more than handled ourselves. I'd rate the even t as glorious. Government shutting it down as soon as it started is obviously an issue that has to be addressed, and will in time. But the fact they felt the need to shut it down so quickly proves they are afraid.

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    From what I've seen if the Unite the Right participants had been allowed to peaceably assemble in the manner they were permitted for then this wouldn't have been an issue. I put all the blame on the city of Charlottesville and the Governor for allowing this situation to get out of hand. I'm sure it was intended. The participants were funneled to the park in such a way that they came nose to nose up against counter-protesters blocking their lawful entry to the park. I've got no truck with white nationalists but in this I support them.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    Restating the Obvious: An Open Letter from the Libertarian Movement

    Today (August 12th, 2017), the “Unite the Right” rally is scheduled to proceed in Charlottesville, VA. The “Right” being united there isn’t just any “Right,” but one that welcomes white supremacists and self-described fascists. Multiple speakers will say this themselves, and the chants at a chaotic pre-event march the night before included Neo-Nazi slogans.

    The purpose of this letter is to clarify the role for libertarianism in this rally – which is no role at all.

    That clarification is necessary because it might appear otherwise. Three of the listed speakers have at one time or another identified as libertarians: Mike Enoch, Augustus Invictus, and Christopher Cantwell. Mike Enoch previously called himself a libertarian, but now mocks the philosophy as “autistic.” Augustus Invictus previously attempted to run for Senate through the Libertarian Party. Recently, though, he publicly changed his registration to Republican in disgust. Christopher Cantwell now seems ambivalent about his relationship with libertarianism and anarchism, but his primary identification is with fascism.

    Regardless of how any speakers or attendees have identified in the past or present, we want to make clear that this event is not in any way a place for libertarianism. Among libertarians, some identify as “right-wing,” some as “left-wing,” and some as “radical centrists.” Virtually the entire outside political spectrum is mirrored within libertarianism, and this makes for no shortage of infighting. One area where the undersigned have consensus, however, is in a rejection of any attempt to connect white supremacy and fascism to libertarianism. Libertarians, including those who see themselves as on “the Right,” have no interest in uniting with the horrifically authoritarian “Right” – often called the “Alt-Right” – rallying in Charlottesville.

    All this should be exceedingly obvious from even a cursory glance at the two movements.

    On a historical note, modern-day libertarianism largely took root in the English-speaking world through Jewish intellectuals, some of whom fled the Nazis. Our movement grew as a revolt against fascism, Communism, and early twentieth-century progressivism. As Thomas Leonard has shown in his Illiberal Reformers, that third enemy’s intellectual history is closely interwoven with eugenics.

    On the level of philosophy, libertarianism stresses the freedom of individuals even when that freedom goes against some supposed collective will. The entire point behind a politics of white supremacy is to replace free association with endless central planning and regulation on collectivist racial grounds. “Unite the Right” speaker Richard Spencer actively seeks to turn the United States into a 100% white ethno-state. It is impossible to conceive of this happening without a return of the total state and its horrors.

    Despite the obvious incompatibility of that totalitarianism and libertarianism (of any kind), an attempted association between the two is unsurprising. Attempts at rebooting authoritarian movements often operate through a tactic called entryism. Entryism is where a smaller political movement attempts to capture a larger one and seize its resources. In cases like fascism and Communism, the tendency towards entryism is probably a joint product of amoral opportunism and an inability to rationally defend their views.

    It is necessary, then, for libertarians to restate the exceedingly obvious and insist on the stark differences between our views and those of anyone with any affinity for National Socialist Germany.

    We, the undersigned, affirm such a gulf between liberty and its opposite.
    https://libertyagainstfascism.wordpress.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Keep calling people Nazis and they tend to decide, "well, $#@! it, you're gonna call us Nazis might as well act like them".
    works the other way round with me..

    I call it as I see it.

    but they seem to be coming out of the wood work. from both sides.
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    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    works the other way round with me..

    but they seem to be coming out of the wood work. from both sides.
    You'd think something might happen, but it never really does, other than a "push me push you".

    One side is scared and the other glad over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    From what I've seen if the Unite the Right participants had been allowed to peaceably assemble in the manner they were permitted for then this wouldn't have been an issue. I put all the blame on the city of Charlottesville and the Governor for allowing this situation to get out of hand. I'm sure it was intended. The participants were funneled to the park in such a way that they came nose to nose up against counter-protesters blocking their lawful entry to the park. I've got no truck with white nationalists but in this I support them.
    Looks that way, doesn't it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    You'd think something might happen, but it never really does, other than a "push me push you".

    One side is scared and the other glad over it.
    It will get worse. and then escalate.

    And it is expected,, as it was predicted long ago.

    We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view.
    Ponder.
    is a hoax still a hoax when it becomes truth?
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Looks that way, doesn't it.
    Absolutely. And then they sat back and watched things escalate to the point both sides went at it and gave them the impetus they needed to shut down the rally.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    UnitetheRight went home over an hour ago, but Black Lives Matter protest on the streets got a little interesting. Fatih Goldy needs to get her hot little ass out of there. Middle of violent Antifa iand BLMs is no place for a lady. :


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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulMall View Post
    Looks like turnout was well in to the hundreds, and this was just the pregame to the rally planned for tomorrow. Highest ranking Libertarian representative attending the rally, Augustus Invictus,...]
    Just a week or so ago there was a thread announcing he was joining the GOP. (That's the only place I know the name from.)
    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




    Reprinted from http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/immigration/ [Nov. 29, 2011]

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulMall View Post
    UnitetheRight went home over an hour ago, but Black Lives Matter protest on the streets got a little interesting. Fatih Goldy needs to get her hot little ass out of there. Middle of violent Antifa iand BLMs is no place for a lady. :

    blacked out windows and not plates? that wasn't spur of the moment.

    edit: ah there are plates
    Last edited by specsaregood; 08-12-2017 at 01:51 PM.

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    I was there. It was a setup
    ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southron View Post
    I was there. It was a setup
    ....
    Sure it was. Anyone that doesn't see that is blind.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    I suspect all of this is compliments of George Soros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    You do know that you [dannno] are a moron right?
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I love Che because...
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    ...he did that which I was too cowardly afraid to do
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Just for the record, 99% of the time I say "In my country........" I am actually messing with you people because I know you guys have absolutely no idea what happens in my country.

    Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!


    Short Income Tax Video

    The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes

    The Federalist Papers, No. 15:

    Except as to the rule of apportionment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    You do know that you [dannno] are a moron right?
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I love Che because...
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    ...he did that which I was too cowardly afraid to do
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Just for the record, 99% of the time I say "In my country........" I am actually messing with you people because I know you guys have absolutely no idea what happens in my country.

    Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!


    Short Income Tax Video

    The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes

    The Federalist Papers, No. 15:

    Except as to the rule of apportionment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southron View Post
    I was there. It was a setup
    ....
    I wouldn't be surprised if the organizers of "Unite the right" were part of the planning(setup). Unless they are morons, they knew from the start that you cannot unite any group while flying the white nationalist/nazi flags. You will already lose a great number of whites and for non whites? forget about it. The truth is that there are some issues where you cannot and one shouldn't attempt to unite a large body of people. Abortion is one, religion is two and ethnic nationalism is somewhere in the top 5.

    The people that I am sorry for are the people who genuinely want to preserve these monuments that are not useful idiots or morons who got caught up in tis whole mess.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

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    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    I'll write up a post of what I saw from being with the Alt-right guys when I get home in several hours but what I saw from the Virginia State Police was dirty. I lost what little respect I had for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Reports said there was no license plate. Looks like there is one to me.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Reports said there was no license plate. Looks like there is one to me.
    That's one of the cars that was hit.

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    Am I correct that one group had a permit to protest the removal of the statues?

    Seems like somebody decided to send in a second group to protest the group with the permit.

    Takes two to tango, so who bused in the second group? That's who should be blamed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southron View Post
    I'll write up a post of what I saw from being with the Alt-right guys when I get home in several hours but what I saw from the Virginia State Police was dirty. I lost what little respect I had for them.
    Lol. Well a least out of this whole affair there is this. Welcome.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    That's one of the cars that was hit.
    uhm, seeing as people are still in the air from being hit by it, I'm pretty sure that is the car that hit them.

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