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    Trump Threatens Venezuela With Unspecified 'Military Option'
    https://www.usnews.com/news/world/ar...ilitary-option


    BEDMINSTER, N.J. (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday threatened military intervention in Venezuela, a surprise escalation in Washington's response to Venezuela's political crisis.

    "The people are suffering and they are dying. We have many options for Venezuela including a possible military option if necessary," Trump told reporters.

    Previously, the Pentagon said the U.S. military was ready to support efforts to protect U.S. citizens and America's national interests, but that insinuations by Caracas of a planned U.S. invasion were "baseless."

    Trump's suggestion of possible military action came in a week when he has repeatedly threatened a military response if North Korea threatens the United States or its allies.

    Asked if U.S. forces would lead an operation in Venezuela, Trump declined to provide details. "We don't talk about it but a military operation - a military option - is certainly something that we could pursue," he said.

    The president's comments conjured up memories of gunboat diplomacy in Latin America during the 20th century, when the United States regarded its "backyard" neighbors to the south as underlings who it could easily intimidate through conspicuous displays of military power.

    The U.S. military has not directly intervened in the region since a 1994-1995 operation that aimed to remove from Haiti a military government installed after a 1991 coup.

    Trump's comments could be an asset to Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro by boosting his credibility as a national defender.

    "Maduro must be thrilled right now," said Mark Feierstein, who was a senior aide on Venezuela matters to former U.S. president Barack Obama. "It's hard to imagine a more damaging thing for Trump to say."



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    Nothing unites a country more than an external threat.
    Maduro needs to send a thank you.


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    Dump wants Venezuela to collapse, just like he wants the Saudis to collapse, he is pouring gas on the fire on purpose and on the cheap, I doubt he intends to send in the Marines.
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    BUTT, when the people of AMERICA ( you heard of it, your its "president") suffer and die and are robbed blind by ITS government...crickets

    fugking crickets

    this guy sux azz

    Please tell me why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).

    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide


    ^THAT^

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    Make sure to (re)watch "Wag the Dog" this weekend.
    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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    "For the average person, all problems date to World War II; for the more informed, to World War I; for the genuine historian, to the French Revolution."

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    Temer's soft coup 'Interim Presidency' expires next year.

    Brazilian general elections are scheduled for October 2018,
    and will elect the President and Vice President,
    the National Congress, state Governors and Vice Governors
    and state Legislative Assemblies.


    Brazil’s Trump: right-wing firebrand Jair Bolsonaro declares presidential ambition. ‘Patriot’ lawmaker is anti-gay, anti-abortion, pro-guns and pro-military.
    http://www.scmp.com/news/world/ameri...onaro-declares


    This the 'plan' for the Liberal/Social Eastern hemisphere masses. Time to mow the back yard.
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    Default What the ....? Trump won't rule out military option for Venezuela? Seriously?

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=49167750

    I know. I know. He's just doing this to show how non-interventionist he is. Good lawd!
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Who will be producing this war?
    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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    Just a repeat of the same pattern/blueprint the U.S. uses in countries all over the world whose governments refuse to be U.S. puppets:

    • First there's U.S. taxpayer funded "NGO's" like the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) who organize the protests and fund the opposition.
    • If above doesn't work to overthrow government, then the U.S. military/CIA arms and trains "rebels".
    • If above doesn't work to overthrow government, then the U.S. military does the job.


    The only reason step 3, above, didn't occur in Syria is because Russia got involved. But this U.S. interventionist crap has occurred in most countries on this planet and none of it has been for the "defense" of the citizens of this country (in fact it harms our security by making enemies all over the world). Step 1 above is more recent as this used to be the job of the CIA; now these NGO's (ie. NED, IRI, USAID, PNAC, Soro's Open Society, etc.) are now the front groups for the CIA who have taken over step 1.

    Many here hate Venezuela's government because of its leftest policies. I would argue that I don't care what happens in other countries as long as my U.S. taxpayer dollars are not going to intervene in other countries internal affairs. I believe in the self-determination of other countries where only the people of those countries come up with a system that is right for them. Like it or not, Maduro was democratically elected. In Venezuela my U.S. taxpayer dollars have definitely intervened, and are definitely intervening, in their internal affairs which is wrong.

    From July 25, 2017 article in the UK's Independent:


    The head of the CIA [Mike Pompeo] has suggested the agency is working to change the elected government of Venezuela and is collaborating with two countries in the region [Mexico and Colombia] to do so. In one of the clearest clues yet about Washington’s latest meddling in the politics of Latin America, CIA director Mike Pompeo said he was “hopeful that there can be a transition in Venezuela and we the CIA are doing its best to understand the dynamic there".

    MIKE POMPEO: Any time you have a country of—as large and with the economic capacity of a country like Venezuela, America has a deep interest in making sure that it is stable and as democratic as possible. And so, we’re working hard to do that. I’m always careful when we talk about South and Central America and the CIA. There’s a lot of stories. So, I want to be careful with what I say. But, suffice to say, we—we are very hopeful that there can be a transition in Venezuela."

    Here's an interview with Lee Fang from the Intercept discussing the "Atlas Network":


    From FOIA documents, we see that, going back to the late '90s, just after Hugo Chávez came to power, the State Department, the National Endowment for Democracy, started providing large amounts of [U.S. taxpayer] money to the Atlas think tank network in Venezuela to orchestrate protest movements, to criticize his government, to try to delegitimize his government. In fact, when there was the kind of brief 2002 coup, that brought Hugo Chávez from power for not a very long period, but there was an attempt, and we see from these documents that the Atlas think tanks sprung into actions to try to legitimize the new coup government. There was the Carmona Decree, this kind of document that said from business leaders in Venezuela, saying, "Hugo Chávez has gone, and we’d like to move on and have a new government." We see from this cache of documents that they are working hand in glove with the U.S. government, that these libertarian leaders, that had been trained in the United States and funded by the Atlas Network and from the [U.S. taxpayers] U.S. government, were part of a larger strategy to bring down the Chávez government.

    Now, we don’t know exactly what’s going on now, but we know from the diplomatic cables from Chelsea Manning that after that period, there were repeated attempts to orchestrate large anti-government protests, to channel anger at the Chávez government and to hope for a similar situation where the opposition would be strong enough to bring the government down. So, I think it’s very likely that a similar strategy is playing out right now with the crisis in Venezuela. And indeed, we see the CEDICE and other [U.S. taxpayer funded] Atlas-backed think tanks in Venezuela promoting the opposition.

    The National Endowment for Democracy, this [U.S. taxpayer funded] government-chartered foundation that’s an arm of American soft power abroad, that provides extensive financing to the Atlas Network think tanks all over the world, including in Venezuela and other places, after Trump was elected president, an Atlas Network economist and fellow, Judy Shelton, was elevated to be the chairperson of the National Endowment for Democracy. So now you have many Atlas Network think tank leaders or fellow travelers in senior positions in the administration, but also an Atlas Network employee helping to manage the U.S. foreign policy arm that’s financing the Atlas Network all across the world. […] The Atlas Network is not only managing the protests on the street and the policy proposals, but they’re also introducing the Breitbart-style commentary and media figures in countries like Brazil.

    The most surprising part of this [research] was finding out about the extensive U.S. government financing for this network, especially given their antigovernment rhetoric. I went to Buenos Aires, I went to New York, Las Vegas and Honduras, to speak to different Atlas Network leaders. But I also went to the Hoover Institute archives at Stanford University and went into the personal papers of Antony Fisher, the original founder of the first of these style think tanks, the Institute of Economic Affairs, and the original founder of the Atlas Network. And the [U.S. taxpayer] U.S. government financing comes from the very beginnings of this group. The Atlas Network was originally technically founded in 1981. As early as 1982, I found letters from Antony Fisher writing to Reagan administration officials asking for government money.

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    Economic sanction, CIA destabilization must not be working fast enough. I guess it is time the nation killers bring out the big gun. Good luck to the Venezuelan patriots, may they kill as many american backed spooks that come their way
    Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling…makes no difference. The degree is arbitrary. The definition’s blurred. If I’m to choose between one evil and another, I’d rather not choose at all. Geralt of Rivia

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    I'd be all for removing the communist government in Venezuela...

    ...except that the government we'd install in its place would not be a dramatic improvement, if any at all.

    I'm afraid nature will have to take its course down there. With luck they'll end up with a Pinochet type dictatorship.

    ...without it, permanent revolution.
    "For the average person, all problems date to World War II; for the more informed, to World War I; for the genuine historian, to the French Revolution."

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Economic sanction, CIA destabilization must not be working fast enough. I guess it is time the nation killers bring out the big gun. Good luck to the Venezuelan patriots, may they kill as many american backed spooks that come their way
    What are they going to call it? VANTIFA? VISIS?
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Inflation goes to sellers, not to the Fed. If inflation is two percent, the person you buy something from is charging you two percent more. He gets that money- not the Fed.
    The seller has to pay more 'dollars' to cover his expenses, and his expenses 'went up' because the dollar is worth less than it was yesterday, but it's the seller who raised the price--and the poor, beleaguered Fed and the banks that own it didn't get richer devaluing the 'dollar' by printing more of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    I'd be all for removing the communist government in Venezuela...

    ...except that the government we'd install in its place would not be a dramatic improvement, if any at all.

    I'm afraid nature will have to take its course down there. With luck they'll end up with a Pinochet type dictatorship.

    ...without it, permanent revolution.
    This post makes so sense at all especially seeing as the US installed Pinochet and not some nature taking its course. The hope is that they squash the so called revolution and the US doesn't funnel money and weapons into the country to keep the crisis going and they find a way to solve their OWN problems without Uncle Sam interference in any way shape or form. Pinochet type leaders included

    Also, I have to mention that most of the people protesting on the street are not capitalist, these people are most likely protesting because their welfare money was cut. Lastly, people talk about the Venezuelan govt seizing private property and such as sign of them being very communist. Well, the truth is that all govts resort to taking private property when they are in a war. The people of South American know too well about how CIA uses ownership of vital private property to destabilize nations and they are merely trying to stay alive.
    Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling…makes no difference. The degree is arbitrary. The definition’s blurred. If I’m to choose between one evil and another, I’d rather not choose at all. Geralt of Rivia

    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    What are they going to call it? VANTIFA? VISIS?
    Capitalist, democracy, freedom fighters. The set of Kurdish goons in Syria are called the Syrian Democratic force when they are not eve Syrians or care for democracy but whatever name that would makes people to have a hardon for the Kurds or the new sets of Venezuelan freedom fighters would be used.
    Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling…makes no difference. The degree is arbitrary. The definition’s blurred. If I’m to choose between one evil and another, I’d rather not choose at all. Geralt of Rivia

    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Capitalist, democracy, freedom fighters. The set of Kurdish goons in Syria are called the Syrian Democratic force when they are not eve Syrians or care for democracy but whatever name that would makes people to have a hardon for the Kurds or the new sets of Venezuelan freedom fighters would be used.
    You're out of date. That's old school CIA tactics from the era when the U.S. population were still buying the 'spreading democracy!' bull$#!+. Now the CIA prefers controlled opposition they can send in, then send the military in after with a hearty, 'The bad guys are there and we have to go eradicate them!'

    Move the controlled op out, destroy the town because the controlled op 'bad guys' were there yesterday, and holler, 'Mission Accomplished!'

    Look at how they told the protestors in Charlotteville yesterday to take a specific route to the park, told Antifa to sit on that very route, shoved the protestors into Antifa, turned a blind eye while Antifa started the violence, and then spent the whole morning today blaming the violence on the protestors. You'll get the idea.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 08-13-2017 at 08:58 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Inflation goes to sellers, not to the Fed. If inflation is two percent, the person you buy something from is charging you two percent more. He gets that money- not the Fed.
    The seller has to pay more 'dollars' to cover his expenses, and his expenses 'went up' because the dollar is worth less than it was yesterday, but it's the seller who raised the price--and the poor, beleaguered Fed and the banks that own it didn't get richer devaluing the 'dollar' by printing more of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    This post makes so sense at all especially seeing as the US installed Pinochet and not some nature taking its course.
    The US didn't install Pinochet; the coup d'etat was very much a natural development of Chilean politics.

    And even if the US had installed him, it wouldn't follow that foreign intervention is required to produce a Pinochet type reaction.

    Also, I have to mention that most of the people protesting on the street are not capitalist, these people are most likely protesting because their welfare money was cut.
    Indeed, which is why "restoring democracy" (as the US et al are demanding) is not the cure for Venezuela's illness.

    Lastly, people talk about the Venezuelan govt seizing private property and such as sign of them being very communist. Well, the truth is that all govts resort to taking private property when they are in a war. The people of South American know too well about how CIA uses ownership of vital private property to destabilize nations and they are merely trying to stay alive.
    Venezuela's problems are a result of its government's own socialistic economic policies, not the CIA or any other outside force.
    "For the average person, all problems date to World War II; for the more informed, to World War I; for the genuine historian, to the French Revolution."

    - Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    I'd be all for removing the communist government in Venezuela...

    ...except that the government we'd install in its place would not be a dramatic improvement, if any at all.

    So if the government "we" would install was an improvement in your eyes, you would be for using force against a country that is no threat to us at all?

    How very Ron-Paul-Libertarian of you.



    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    I'm afraid nature will have to take its course down there. With luck they'll end up with a Pinochet type dictatorship.

    ...without it, permanent revolution.
    Of course there will be continued violence... our CIA head has admitted they are pushing hard for regime change and the U.S. taxpayer has been paying for the protests and opposition since Chavez got elected -- even bringing the protest leaders to the U.S. to "train them". Like it or not Maduro was democratically elected. As was Salvador Allende. After Pinochet took over his military junta (trained and armed by the U.S. government) dissolved the Congress of Chile, suspended the Constitution, and began a persecution of alleged dissidents, in which thousands of Allende's supporters were kidnapped, tortured, and murdered. This is what you are for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by charrob View Post
    So if the government "we" would install was an improvement in your eyes, you would be for using force against a country that is no threat to us at all?

    How very Ron-Paul-Libertarian of you.





    Of course there will be continued violence... our CIA head has admitted they are pushing hard for regime change and the U.S. taxpayer has been paying for the protests and opposition since Chavez got elected -- even bringing the protest leaders to the U.S. to "train them". Like it or not Maduro was democratically elected. As was Salvador Allende. After Pinochet took over his military junta (trained and armed by the U.S. government) dissolved the Congress of Chile, suspended the Constitution, and began a persecution of alleged dissidents, in which thousands of Allende's supporters were kidnapped, tortured, and murdered. This is what you are for?
    rev3.0: I am here to stir $#@!, not to discuss. What baffles me is goyim still fall for this crap.
    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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    Trump should remove any remnants of alt-Neocons from his advisors team. "Art of the deal bluffs" don't exactly translate to "art of the war bluffs", he seems to be overdoing it and his threats could start to look empty if he kept overdoing it banking on fear of his "unpredictability" alone and threatening to fire generals when results don't turn out as he expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    The US didn't install Pinochet; the coup d'etat was very much a natural development of Chilean politics.

    And even if the US had installed him, it wouldn't follow that foreign intervention is required to produce a Pinochet type reaction.



    Indeed, which is why "restoring democracy" (as the US et al are demanding) is not the cure for Venezuela's illness.



    Venezuela's problems are a result of its government's own socialistic economic policies, not the CIA or any other outside force.
    US didn't install Pinochet, I am sure that is why they immediately stopped their regime change policy once he got in power and they in fact embraced him. Ronald Reagan even removed sanction that was put on the previous admin. Sorry but if you think the CIA were behind the many strikes in the country that led to destabilization of the govt, then I don't really know what to tell you.
    Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling…makes no difference. The degree is arbitrary. The definition’s blurred. If I’m to choose between one evil and another, I’d rather not choose at all. Geralt of Rivia

    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charrob View Post
    So if the government "we" would install was an improvement in your eyes, you would be for using force against a country that is no threat to us at all?

    How very Ron-Paul-Libertarian of you.





    Of course there will be continued violence... our CIA head has admitted they are pushing hard for regime change and the U.S. taxpayer has been paying for the protests and opposition since Chavez got elected -- even bringing the protest leaders to the U.S. to "train them". Like it or not Maduro was democratically elected. As was Salvador Allende. After Pinochet took over his military junta (trained and armed by the U.S. government) dissolved the Congress of Chile, suspended the Constitution, and began a persecution of alleged dissidents, in which thousands of Allende's supporters were kidnapped, tortured, and murdered. This is what you are for?
    Well said.
    Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling…makes no difference. The degree is arbitrary. The definition’s blurred. If I’m to choose between one evil and another, I’d rather not choose at all. Geralt of Rivia

    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charrob View Post
    So if the government "we" would install was an improvement in your eyes, you would be for using force against a country that is no threat to us at all?
    That's correct.

    The liberal goal is the minimization of aggression.

    If an intervention would serve to protect the rights of individuals in Venezuela, at reasonable cost, it would be justified.

    Of course there will be continued violence... our CIA head has admitted they are pushing hard for regime change and the U.S. taxpayer has been paying for the protests and opposition since Chavez got elected -- even bringing the protest leaders to the U.S. to "train them". Like it or not Maduro was democratically elected.
    QED

    As was Salvador Allende. After Pinochet took over his military junta (trained and armed by the U.S. government) dissolved the Congress of Chile, suspended the Constitution, and began a persecution of alleged dissidents, in which thousands of Allende's supporters were kidnapped, tortured, and murdered. This is what you are for?
    It appears that you don't understand what was occurring in Chile prior to the coup d'etat.

    ...it wasn't sunshine and puppies.

    Too much fellow traveler "news," perhaps...

    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    US didn't install Pinochet, I am sure that is why they immediately stopped their regime change policy once he got in power and they in fact embraced him. Ronald Reagan even removed sanction that was put on the previous admin. Sorry but if you think the CIA were behind the many strikes in the country that led to destabilization of the govt, then I don't really know what to tell you.
    Reread what you yourself wrote and then tell me how those actions caused the event which they followed.
    "For the average person, all problems date to World War II; for the more informed, to World War I; for the genuine historian, to the French Revolution."

    - Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

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    "The people are suffering and they are dying. We have many options for Venezuela including a possible military option if necessary,"
    Yes, a military option should put an end to the suffering & dying
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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    Why is this even news? We have a military option, for every country in the world...

    Looking at you, ... Canada
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Rand Paul (Vice Pres) 2016!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by charrob View Post
    So if the government "we" would install was an improvement in your eyes, you would be for using force against a country that is no threat to us at all?

    How very Ron-Paul-Libertarian of you.
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    That's correct.

    The liberal goal is the minimization of aggression.

    If an intervention would serve to protect the rights of individuals in Venezuela, at reasonable cost, it would be justified.

    You do realize this is in complete opposition to everything Ron Paul believes in regarding U.S. foreign policy?




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    Quote Originally Posted by charrob View Post
    You do realize this is in complete opposition to everything Ron Paul believes in regarding U.S. foreign policy?
    To the extent that Ron Paul opposes interventions which would genuinely benefit individuals in the concerned countries, he's mistaken.
    "For the average person, all problems date to World War II; for the more informed, to World War I; for the genuine historian, to the French Revolution."

    - Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    To the extent that Ron Paul opposes interventions which would genuinely benefit individuals in the concerned countries, he's mistaken.
    And how do you arrange for this United States government, or the U.N. for that matter, to do what's best for the people if Venezuela? How do we come up with enough bribe money for Washington and New York to ensure their first loyalties are not to the usual suspects, specifically the Federal Reserve, printer of the Petrodollar, and the Rothschilds, owners of the central banks which rob 99% of the world's population?

    What charrob is saying to you, and what Ron Paul says to you, is our cure is invariably worse than their disease. What part of that hard-learned lesson is escaping some of us?

    Let them work it out. We are too blind to lead them out of their darkness.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Inflation goes to sellers, not to the Fed. If inflation is two percent, the person you buy something from is charging you two percent more. He gets that money- not the Fed.
    The seller has to pay more 'dollars' to cover his expenses, and his expenses 'went up' because the dollar is worth less than it was yesterday, but it's the seller who raised the price--and the poor, beleaguered Fed and the banks that own it didn't get richer devaluing the 'dollar' by printing more of them?

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