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    ..thank God for white boys....







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    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

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    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

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    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.



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    I can't play the blues...

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    When I was a boy I would go down to the black bar near where later the Imperial Inn was across the street . They had the best music and food and the beer and food were cheapest . Years later you could here that music in ordinary bars where there were other colors of people .I am glad of cultural appropriation of Blues because it is very good . Past the black bar , past the edge of town was a valley by the White River where all the bootleggers , poachers and homeless hung out . I would catch Crappie there in the River.

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    Had it not been for the Allman Brothers, I would not have become familiar with B.B., Hooker, Muddy, Johnson, King, Hopkins. My favorite Howlin' Wolf!
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Had it not been for the Allman Brothers, I would not have become familiar with B.B., Hooker, Muddy, Johnson, King, Hopkins. My favorite Howlin' Wolf!
    Johnny Winter got me there, can't get any whiter than that.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Johnny Winter got me there, can't get any whiter than that.
    SJW's would tell you that he 'appropriated' from black music. Tell them they are right and they should be $#@!ing thankful.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    SJW's would tell you that he 'appropriated' from black music. Tell them they are right and they should be $#@!ing thankful.
    If this doesn't convince them, I probably couldn't either.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    If this doesn't convince them, I probably couldn't either.





    If they can't grok it then no amount of clue will ever help.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    Thanks to these guys, I had a bunch of blues albums after looking at the authors of various Zeppelin and Cream tunes...




    And thanks to this cultural appropriator, I was able to hear the gorgeous Muddy Waters Plantation recordings...


    Shame on them.

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    This thread is all the reasons why I DON'T listen to "black" blues.

    What happened with blues is not like what happened with Hip Hop. Rap was always "black" music like blues was originally... until Run DMC made a video with Aerosmith, and the Beastie Boys became a thing, and only after that cultural appropriation did white people really start listening to black hip hop, in the 90s.
    But what they found when they started listening to black artists, is that the white rappers were mostly just biters. Eminem might have made a name for himself but he's still a cartoon compared to rappers you've never heard of before, like Rakim, who hasn't even "had it" for almost 30 years.

    But with blues, white people took the form and did something different with it. They pushed it in directions it wasn't going otherwise. Like above: Shine On You Crazy Diamond is not something a black artist would have done. It's some pretty white music. But it's also objectively good. It's derivative, but its own thing.

    Now maybe it's just me, but whenever I hear BB or Muddy, I hear the same damned song over and over again. On the Road Again is blues just like Shine On is, but they're totally different songs.

    Even Jazz is more distinct, and has been consistently distinct from decade to decade throughout its existence. And I know this is wrongthink, but it occurs to me that there was no similar cultural appropriation there - white people jumped in pretty early in that game. I'm tempted to draw a conclusion from that.
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    Saved blues? I guess u can use save only if you consider performing CPR on a septic patient as saving him? Blues as a mainstream form of music is dead. Their records are not selling, their artists and audience are dying/on their way out and they are performing in smaller and smaller venues every year. That is not saving, the truth is that blue was going to die regardless of what any white boy had to say about it. It is like the Neanderthal of music seeing as it has passed on its better genes to more kitschy genres of music like hip hop, R&B, funk, rock and roll, gospel etc. Yes, the diehards will continue to push it along but it would remain a niche genre.

    On the subject of white people culturally appropriating blues music. Think of it this way, the diehards SJW who would complain about this issue see blues music as a music that came about from the Black American slavery experience. The idea of the white man carrying the torch of blues music is an anathema to the essence of blues music itself. I bet that they would rather see the blues disappear as a form of art than allow any white man to revive it. Secondly, they see appropriation as "stealing", if someone steals your crumbling house that you are trying but failing to fix up, he then fixes it up and then lives in it, would you be happy with them? That is how this sort of things work, so do not expect to see them cheering this mid 90s development cos they probably hate you for it
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    I love the Blues .

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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post


    This thread is all the reasons why I DON'T listen to "black" blues.

    What happened with blues is not like what happened with Hip Hop. Rap was always "black" music like blues was originally... until Run DMC made a video with Aerosmith, and the Beastie Boys became a thing, and only after that cultural appropriation did white people really start listening to black hip hop, in the 90s.
    But what they found when they started listening to black artists, is that the white rappers were mostly just biters. Eminem might have made a name for himself but he's still a cartoon compared to rappers you've never heard of before, like Rakim, who hasn't even "had it" for almost 30 years.

    But with blues, white people took the form and did something different with it. They pushed it in directions it wasn't going otherwise. Like above: Shine On You Crazy Diamond is not something a black artist would have done. It's some pretty white music. But it's also objectively good. It's derivative, but its own thing.

    Now maybe it's just me, but whenever I hear BB or Muddy, I hear the same damned song over and over again. On the Road Again is blues just like Shine On is, but they're totally different songs.

    Even Jazz is more distinct, and has been consistently distinct from decade to decade throughout its existence. And I know this is wrongthink, but it occurs to me that there was no similar cultural appropriation there - white people jumped in pretty early in that game. I'm tempted to draw a conclusion from that.
    WTF does 'shine on you crazy diamond' have to do with the blues?
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    Being from the Mississippi Delta, and having studied some music in college, I wouldn't call it "appropriation" as much as "evolution".
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