Except, as far as I know, he never went on record as a Paul supporter, did he?Originally Posted by William Tell
The GOP establishment doesn't care about social issues. Their only goal is to keep the Evangelicals voting GOP, without actually doing anything (because doing something would lose them the other 70% of voters). On immigration, the GOP establishment is actually on the right side (not for noble reasons, mind you). The very fact that Moore (a guy who will do nothing to address the fundamental problems) is seen as "anti-establishment" is a huge problem in itself, just like with Trump. People like that (fake rebels, you might say) steal the thunder of genuine reformers.
Election Surprise: Judge Roy Moore Backs Ron Paul
01-03-2008
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...Backs-Ron-Paul
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He maxed out to Ron Paul.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Peroutka
Voter turnout will be key today. They are expecting only 10- 20% total turnout so which side brings out the most voters will likely win. Trump wants Moore so he doesn't lose any more supporters for his agenda.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/11/politi...ate/index.html
Liking how things used to be in the 1800's- the "good ole days", Moore, as usual, rode his horse to vote.Kayla Moore: 'One of our attorneys is a Jew'
Roy Moore's wife, Kayla, argued that her husband is no bigot at a Monday night campaign rally, saying that "one of our attorneys is a Jew."
"Fake news would tell you that we don't care for Jews. And I tell you all this because I've seen it and I just want to set the record straight while they're here," she said. "One of our attorneys is a Jew. We have very close friends that are Jewish, and rabbis, and we also fellowship with them."
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 12-12-2017 at 01:06 PM.
Roy Moore, the Bannon/Trump candidate, despite the Establishment's best efforts to take him down, kicks Luther Strange's ass:
- Don't lie.
- Don't cheat.
- Don't steal.
- Don't kill.
- Don't commit adultery.
- Don't covet what your neighbor has, especially his wife.
- Honor your father and mother.
- Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy.
- Don’t use your Higher Power's name in vain, or anyone else's.
- Do unto others as you would have them do to you.
"For the love of money is the root of all evil..." -- I Timothy 6:10, KJV
Most people who supported Ron weren't libertarians, or anything of the sort, so I don't know that that says much.
Based on the Wiki, the guy sounds a lot like Moore - focused on social issues.
It makes a lot more sense for a right culture warrior to support a libertarian than vice versa.
How many sock puppet accounts can a single $#@! have?
Beside weakening the populist wing of the GOP, a Moore loss would be good because for tightening the majority in the Senate.
51-49 will mean that nothing can pass without both Rand and Lee.
Lose one more Republavik and Rand controls the show.
On the first page of that thread it says that Moore and Paul expressed agreement on some issues but that Moore did not endorse him. Did he go on to endorse him after that?
Did you come up with this on your own?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/could-...e-to-roy-moore
Could Voter Suppression Swing Alabama’s Senate Race to Roy Moore?
Democrat Doug Jones needs strong support from black and Latino voters, but thousands of them are prevented from voting by some of the most restrictive laws in the country.
The great unknown, which will probably determine the outcome of the race, is voter turnout. If enough moderate Republicans are disgusted by both options and sit the election out, they could hand the seat to Jones. More importantly, this race may come down to turnout among African Americans, who overwhelmingly vote Democrat but aren’t often the decisive constituency in deeply Republican Alabama.
But if the election is to be decided by black voters, that means it will be decided by Alabama’s labyrinth of “anti-fraud” voting provisions which just coincidentally happen to disproportionately hit communities of color.
There are several ways in which Alabama makes it harder to vote, exacerbated by a secretary of state with some frankly bizarre ideas about how to do his job.
First, Alabama has one of the strictest voter identification laws in the country. Deuel Ross, a lawyer for the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, has been fighting the voter ID law in court, but, he told The Daily Beast, his case will not be resolved in time to impact the special election next week.Moreover, voter ID laws also decrease turnout among those who actually are eligible. A study cited in Ross’ case found that turnout in majority-black counties in Alabama decreased 8 percent after the voter ID law was passed—far higher than in majority-white counties.
“If you’re confused about what the voter ID requirements are, that also affects turnout,” Ross told The Daily Beast. “You may have acceptable ID but you may think that you don’t.”
That’s especially true in Alabama.
“Witnesses have testified about sheriffs standing outside polling places,” Ross said, “telling people that if you have an outstanding warrant, you’re going to be arrested.” That kind of intimidation isn’t directly related to voter ID, of course, but it creates anxiety in the minds of any voter who’s not sure of the law.Now, if voter fraud were a real crisis, these rules would have some justification. But voter fraud is fake news.
In Ross’ litigation, investigators found only two cases of fraud between 2001 and 2010 that would have been prevented by the ID law. Not two thousand, not two hundred: two.
And that is what has justified disenfranchising 118,000 voters, two-thirds of whom just happen to be black and Latino.
I believe that Zippy has crossed the line with this one.
I think that it might be time to consider a future without Zippy on these forums.
That sounds really odd, and it's a big deal if it's true. But where is that charge coming from? Is this about something that happened in a previous election? Is it just rumors? Or what?
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"What Happened" by Luther Strange
- Don't lie.
- Don't cheat.
- Don't steal.
- Don't kill.
- Don't commit adultery.
- Don't covet what your neighbor has, especially his wife.
- Honor your father and mother.
- Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy.
- Don’t use your Higher Power's name in vain, or anyone else's.
- Do unto others as you would have them do to you.
"For the love of money is the root of all evil..." -- I Timothy 6:10, KJV
That's because they can't if every other (R) votes against them.
Would Moore vote with them? I don't think so, but even if he did, a (D) would be more reliable (against GOP bills).
Anyway, the best situation really would be 50-50 with Rand able to kill any GOP bill.
Think about the debt ceiling. He'd force the GOP/Dems to join forces and out all other GOPer as the fake fiscal conservatives they are.
...it would be glorious.
Are you actually serious? You think its in Rand's best interests for the candidate who has vowed specifically to Stand with Rand on the debt ceiling to lose to a big government Democrat?
https://www.roymoore.org/Press-Relea...RVATIVE-OPTIONLUTHER STRANGE VOTES TO RAISE THE DEBT CEILING; REJECTS CONSERVATIVE OPTION
Katie Frost
Roy Moore for US Senate
Washington, DC- In between two special interest fundraisers hosted by Mitch McConnell and the Washington establishment yesterday, Luther Strange voted with his Senate leadership buddies to raise the debt ceiling. Not only did Strange vote to raise the debt ceiling and add $15.25 billion to our national deficit, he also voted against an amendment offered up by Senator Rand Paul that would have halted $15.25 billion of foreign aid to pay for Hurricane Harvey relief.
Paul's "America First" amendment, supported by 10 conservative Republicans (including Senators Ted Cruz - TX, Jim Inhofe - OK, Mike Lee - UT, Rand Paul - KY, Tim Scott - SC and Pat Toomey - PA), was designed as a solution to the budget crisis. It would have provided a way for the federal government to fund Hurricane Harvey aid without raising the debt ceiling.
"The decision by Luther Strange to side with Mitch McConnell and Chuck Schumer in raising the debt ceiling is a clear indication the Luther has been bought and paid for by the DC establishment." said Moore campaign chairman Bill Armistead. "Furthermore, Luther's refusal to back Senator Paul's amendment to utilize unspent foreign aid to help the people of Texas, who have been devastated by Hurricane Harvey, makes him unqualified to serve as our senator."
Judge Roy Moore said, "As US Senator, I will always put America first. No tricks. No games. Just the truth and a commitment to the people of Alabama and to the United States of America. If I had been Alabama's senator yesterday, I would have voted for "America First" with these bold, conservative senators."
Moore added: "The games being played in Washington are exactly why we have not replaced Obamacare, balanced the budget, or rebuilt our military. These are promises the Republicans made, but have failed to keep."
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Paid for by Roy Moore for US Senate
How can you even think about it? Zippy and his sock puppets are responsible for over 50% posts on this forum!
Trolling Rule #1: Never directly interact with your sock puppet. It gives creepy vibes.
Quite, because I don't believe he'd actually do it.
I believe McConnell would offer an amendment to [insert trivial Evangelical issue] and he'd fold like a cheap Cruz.
Looking for more information on that.
Did find this item: http://www.fox10tv.com/story/2781112...polling-places
Alabama sheriffs voice concerns over guns in polling places
ORANGE BEACH, Ala. (WALA) - The issue at odds Monday morning in Orange Beach seemed to be one of gun rights versus voting rights. Following an opinion issued by Attorney General Luther Strange last month, the Alabama Sheriff’s Association asked what the sheriff’s authority is in regard to regulating guns in polling places.
“That intimidates a whole lot of people. And some of them will say they have rights and they do have rights, but on the other hand, people have other rights too at the polling places and that’s to not be intimidated when they go to vote,” Montgomery County Sheriff D.T. Marshall said.
“I don’t think that there’s a need for a handgun in a polling place. I don’t think that you’re going to be in danger for your life, be called upon to defend your life or anybody else’s in a polling place,” Escambia County Sheriff Grover Smith said.
When asked if he would support such a decision, Strange said he would, but the constitutionality of such legislation would need to be ironclad.
“I’m supportive of keeping anything out of the polling place that’s intimidating to our voters. And if it’s firearms or if it’s anything else, then that’s something we’re going to look very seriously at. As I told the sheriffs that were concerned about that issue, we have to make sure what we do is constitutional,” Strange said.
Wow, two $#@!s, one cup, a few sock puppets and the forum is really busy.
I believe that when I reviewed his record, it was 99.999% focused on social issues.
He thinks spending is as unimportant relative, say, abortion as I think abortion is unimportant relative spending.
I remember Deace saying a couple years ago that he could get along with libertarians if they were just disinterested in social issues, rather than actively hostile to the Evangelical position, and that makes sense in the abstract, but in reality the difference in priorities is fatal to any meaningful cooperation. Deace endorsed Cruz and shat on Rand. ..They're not useful allies.
Well, anyone can look and see that's incorrect hyperbole.
Since our spending tends to fund planned parenthood you are in luck.
He thinks spending is as unimportant relative, say, abortion as I think abortion is unimportant relative spending.
Deace is just a fanboy, he has no influence on Moore. Moore was standing up before Deace was born.I remember Deace saying a couple years ago that he could get along with libertarians if they were just disinterested in social issues, rather than actively hostile to the Evangelical position, and that makes sense in the abstract, but in reality the difference in priorities is fatal to any meaningful cooperation. Deace endorsed Cruz and shat on Rand. ..They're not useful allies.
Based on the yard signs, Doug Jones is going to win. I haven't seen one Roy Moore sign and I live in Huntsville.
That's because Jones outspent Moore 10-1. That's a lot of yard signs. And then you have the lefts penchant for vandalism and/or threatening supporters. I do not think yard signs are an indicator.
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