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    The truth about Mueller investigation: no Grand Jury empanelled; Trump not being investigated

    Firstly, it seems that the report in the Wall Street Journal which triggered the story that Mueller had actually empanelled a Grand Jury are wrong. This has been confirmed by the New York Times
    A grand jury based in Alexandria, Va., began issuing subpoenas in the Flynn case months ago. Mr. Mueller took over the investigation in May and assembled a team of prosecutors in an office in downtown Washington. Mr. Mueller has not impaneled a special grand jury, the lawyers involved in the case said, and has decided instead to use one of several grand juries that regularly sit in Washington.
    It is in fact standard practice in certain states of the US for investigating prosecutors to use Grand Juries to issue subpoenas, thereby avoiding the complexities of applying to a court for warrants which might require the person under investigation to attend and have his say.
    That is all that Mueller appears to have done, and it is in fact something which is regularly done in investigations of this sort. Indeed it was obviously something which it was envisaged Mueller would do when his inquiry was first set up.
    What seems to have happened is that someone learnt of the fact that Mueller had used a Grand Jury to issue subpoenas as part of his investigation and jumped to conclusions from that fact which are unwarranted.


    As to the subpoenas that Mueller has issued through the Grand Jury, the New York Times helpfully provides information about what they are
    At least some of the subpoenas were for documents related to the business dealings of Michael T. Flynn, the retired general who briefly served as President Trump’s national security adviser. Mr. Flynn is under investigation for foreign lobbying work, as well as for conversations he had during the transition with Sergey I. Kislyak, who was Russia’s ambassador to the United States……
    Brandon Van Grack, a former Alexandria prosecutor now working for Mr. Mueller, signed the subpoenas and has been leading the investigation into Mr. Flynn. Those who described the subpoenas did so on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly discuss the case.
    It seems that there may also be subpoenas issued in connection with the now famous June 2016 meeting between Donald Tump Junior and the Russian lawyer Natalya Veselnitskaya, though the wording of the New York Times article does not actually confirm this.


    The British news agency Reuters has in addition provided some additional information
    One source briefed on the matter said Mueller was investigating whether, either at the meeting or afterward (NB: this refers to the meeting between Donald Trump Junior and Natalya Veselnitskaya – AM), anyone affiliated with the Trump campaign encouraged the Russians to start releasing material they had been collecting on the Clinton campaign since March 2016.
    Another source familiar with the inquiry said that while the president himself was not now under investigation, Mueller’s investigation was seeking to determine whether he knew of the June 9 meeting in advance or was briefed on it afterward.
    Reuters earlier reported that Mueller’s team was examining money-laundering accusations against Manafort and hoped to push him to cooperate with their probe into possible collusion between Trump’s campaign and Russia. It is not known if the grand jury is investigating those potential charges.
    (bold italics added)
    The words I have highlighted all but confirm that previous reports that President Trump is under investigation for obstruction of justice in connection with the tangled story of his interactions and subsequent sacking of former FBI Director James Comey are indeed either wrong – as the President’s lawyers say – or else that this investigation, if it ever took place, has now been wound up.


    What we therefore have is an inquiry that centres on three issues
    (1) General Flynn’s interactions with ambassador Kislyak and his financial dealings with RT;
    (2) the meeting between Veselnitskaya and Donald Trump Junior; and
    (3) the money-laundering allegations against Paul Manafort.
    Since virtually everything there is to know about General Flynn’s various dealings with Kislyak and the Russians is already known, and literally everything there is to know about the Veselnitskaya-Donald Trump Junior meeting is so also known, my guess is that the focus of Mueller’s investigation are the money-laundering allegations against Paul Manafort.
    The allegations against Paul Manafort originate with Ukrainian sources and are heatedly denied by him. From what I have seen of them they do not look at all convincing. Mueller nonetheless appears to be looking into them to see whether there might be some substance to them and if so whether they might have given the Russians some handle over Manafort so as to create a scenario where he and the Trump campaign might have colluded with the Russians during the election.
    That is a valid form of inquiry even if the answer is almost certainly no.
    I would add that even if the money-laundering allegations against Manafort are true that does not prove collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians of which there is no evidence.
    As to General Flynn’s activities, there is no evidence that his interactions with Kislyak or the Russians resulted in any collusion between the Russians and the Trump campaign. It is however possible that Flynn may have committed technical offences in connection with the Logan Act and for misreporting payments he received from RT and from the Turkish government. However not only do these provide no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians, but they are at worst procedural offences, which if Flynn has committed I think Trump should pardon him for.
    Having said this, these offences or possible offences are at least crimes – even if only technical or procedural crimes – that Mueller can look into, and given that he is required to conduct an inquiry he is right to look into them.
    As for the meeting between Veselnitskaya and Donald Trump Junior, I have already discussed this exhaustively.
    Not only was no offence committed during this meeting but on the evidence that is already known we can already answer Mueller’s question – whether during or after that meeting “anyone affiliated with the Trump campaign encouraged the Russians to start releasing material they had been collecting on the Clinton campaign” – in the negative.
    Nonetheless, again in light of the allegations of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians which have been made, Mueller is right to ask the question and to get a formal answer to it.
    Possibly Mueller’s team is pursuing other lines of enquiry we know nothing about, but it is likely these are the main ones.
    Notably absent is any reference to the Trump Dossier, once referred to as the ‘frame narrative’ supposedly being followed by the investigation. It seems that this phoney dossier is now so discredited that Mueller wisely is no longer bothering with it.
    There is also no evidence of any further interest in Carter Page, all of whose dealings with the Russians have long since been thoroughly investigated, and which have turned out to have been wholly innocent.

    All the evidence points to Mueller conducting his inquiry properly in a way which will eventually vindicate Trump and his campaign, and which will leave the Democrats and the supporters of the Russiagate conspiracy looking foolish and vindictive, and frankly paranoid.

    More at: http://theduran.com/the-truth-about-...-investigated/
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    The end goal is impeachment. Heavyweights are structuring their best attempt at a soft coup. It's serious.




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    The truth about Mueller’s investigation: no Grand Jury empanelled; Trump not being investigated
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    Senators Take Action to Protect Robert Mueller's Trump Investigation
    http://time.com/4885770/robert-muell...e-legislation/

    (WASHINGTON) — Two members of the Senate Judiciary Committee are moving to protect Special Counsel Robert Mueller's job,
    putting forth new legislation that aims to ensure the integrity of current and future independent investigations.

    Republican Sen. Thom Tillis of North Carolina and Democratic Sen. Chris Coons of Delaware plan to introduce the legislation Thursday.
    The bill would allow any special counsel for the Department of Justice to challenge his or her removal in court,
    with a review by a three-judge panel within 14 days of the challenge.

    The bill would apply retroactively to May 17, 2017 — the day Mueller
    was appointed by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein to investigate allegations
    of Russian meddling in the 2016 election and possible ties between Russia and Donald Trump's campaign.

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    Clinton Foudation/Deepstate McCabe is setting up an FBI gangbang/echo chamber.


    Leakers: Top FBI officials could testify against Trump, "obstruction" case stronger than WH says
    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...ump-surrogates

    Shortly after the appointment of special counsel Robert Mueller in May,
    acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe told several of the highest-ranking managers of the bureau
    they should consider themselves possible witnesses in any investigation
    into whether President Donald Trump engaged in obstruction of justice,
    according to two senior federal law enforcement officials.

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    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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