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    Exclamation NY - Cops raid home of wrong man, seizing all his weapons.

    We're not coming to confiscate your guns...until we come to confiscate your guns that is.


    New York Deputies Knock on Vietnam Vet’s Door, Confiscate Guns

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...nfiscate-guns/

    A 70-year-old Vietnam veteran said he was watching television in his Taberg, New York, home when deputies knocked on his door, then entered and confiscated his firearms.

    The veteran, Don Hall, said the deputies told him he had a record of mental issues. They took his handguns, then asked if he had long guns. They took those also.

    Hall said he was in disbelief–that he tried to think back to what he could have said or done at some point in his 70 years that would have made someone think he had a mental problem. He said, “I was guilty until I could prove myself innocent. They don’t tell you why or what you supposedly did. It was just a bad screw-up”:

    In #NewYork Deputies confiscate a veteran's guns. They were wrong. #2A https://t.co/QnHoOcMbYb

    — NRA (@NRA) July 31, 2017
    According to Syracuse.com, Hall hired an attorney, who advised Hall that he would have to prove that he was not the Don Hall with mental issues. In other words, he was not the Don Hall authorities were seeking. Hall “secured affidavits from local hospitals to prove he hadn’t been recently treated,” and, over a period of time, “his lawyer convinced a judge that authorities had him confused with someone else who had sought care and that his weapons should never have been seized.”

    A county judge agreed that a mistake had been made and ordered the return of Hall’s firearms. They believe Hall was misidentified when someone with a similar name was reported.

    Hall and his attorney blame the gun controls contained in the 2013 SAFE Act, which was passed in the wake of the heinous attack on Sandy Hook Elementary School. One of the controls in the Act was a new reporting requirement for “health providers.”


    This highlights the heart of the problem with adding gun control onto gun control. The body of gun laws poses no hindrance to criminals–who ignore laws–but it does present problems for law-abiding citizens. Such laws create a scenario where a Vietnam War veteran can be sitting in his home, watching TV at 9:30 p.m., only to have sheriff’s deputies knock on the door and ask for his firearms.
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    See, common sense gun laws work with a happy ending for all. /s

    Again I ask myself; What is the Don Hall in question's voting record over the years? After all, common sense laws make common sense up until the point that your ox gets gored.

    It might soon be past the point of no return and time to leave the stragglers on the trail. They voted for this.
    Last edited by sparebulb; 08-01-2017 at 06:32 PM. Reason: added a qualifier

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    What's the alternative though, just not confiscate weapons from people with mental health issues?

    That's not really an option, unless you just want people to die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    What's the alternative though, just not confiscate weapons from people with mental health issues?

    That's not really an option, unless you just want people to die.
    And where is the burden of proof?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    See, common sense gun laws work with a happy ending for all. /s

    Again I ask myself; What is the Don Hall in question's voting record over the years? After all, common sense laws make common sense up until the point that your ox gets gored.

    It might soon be past the point of no return and time to leave the stragglers on the trail. They voted for this.
    If you don't vote, you can't complain. Right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    What's the alternative though, just not confiscate weapons from people with mental health issues?

    That's not really an option, unless you just want people to die.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Just community policing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    Just community policing.
    No, it's OK...the next day, the cops that raided this man's house, played stickball with da yoots and rescued a kitten.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    If you don't vote, you can't complain. Right?
    It wouldn't be so bad if people just didn't vote.

    It is how they vote that has gotten us here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    It wouldn't be so bad if people just didn't vote.

    It is how they vote that has gotten us here.
    So, they need to vote harder?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    It wouldn't be so bad if people just didn't vote.

    It is how they vote that has gotten us here.
    No matter how many people don't vote, there is going to be somebody who does and that will determine the outcome.

    Maybe it's better to vote than to let those who are running for office, do all the voting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    So, they need to vote harder?
    Yes, of course.

    When the right to defend yourself isn't recognized over "what might happen", the guy with a gun guarding the ballot box approved by voters, had better watch out.

    That was sarcasm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    What's the alternative though, just not confiscate weapons from people with mental health issues?
    How do you plan to verify that? They took away the veteran's guns and the crazy man still has his.
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    How do you plan to verify that? They took away the veteran's guns and the crazy man still has his.
    Mistakes happen, doesnt mean we should stop confiscating guns entirely.

    Unless of course you just want people to die.
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    NY - Cops raid home of wrong man, seizing all his weapons.
    Well, then, he can't have been the wrong man, now, can he?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Well, then, he can't have been the wrong man, now, can he?
    Good point, sounds like he had at least 3 guns probably more, so its not like this guy was just totally stable mentally anyway
    Last edited by TheTexan; 08-02-2017 at 06:02 PM.
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    The sarcasm is so thick in this thread tbat if someone who didn't know better read it they would think we're all a bunch of raging progressives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Good point, sounds like he had at least 3 guns probably more, so its not like this guy was just totally stable mentally anyway
    That's exactly right!

    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    The sarcasm is so thick in this thread tbat if someone who didn't know better read it they would think we're all a bunch of raging progressives.
    That's exactly right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    That's exactly right!



    That's exactly right!
    tbat and all.
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